Extrajudicial murders using the same paltry level of evidence as most ICE operations. The word MURDER is the essential word.
It pains me to give trump the benifit of doubt greatly but I’d love to see some solid evidence of it not being drug smugglers so we can nail him the fuck down for it in the future.
Completely agree. I think that they’d be waving it about if they did.
Exactly what I would imagine haha
Almost like a distraction from the epstein files.
Not everything is. Besides pedophiles, they’re also actual fascists.
They can tell how many they killed, but no actual eviidence of drugs in the wreckage while counting bodies??
That’s the neat part! They can’t! No one is counting bodies in person, this is all remote us murder, as is tradition.
So how do they know how many victims were aboard?
Same way they knew about enemy casualties in any conflict, they “estimate” from observed data before they pull the trigger.
FYI did you know that the us claimed 1.1 million kills in Vietnam? The Vietnamese claim less then 500,000 where killed (with many many more civilians killed)
You guys seem to blissfully ignore the fact that democracies are built one bombing at a time.
You seem to ignore how democracies actually work.
Let me guess, you think democracy is “vote for my preference or else” right?
In a real democracy, voters have a choice, not a hostage situation. The democrats are a part of this problem with the republicans.
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
I just explained it to you. Just look at the Middle East for example after example of successful democracies built by bombs, not votes.
Democracy existed before bombs.
They are being sarcastic.
I am not sure about that, and they do have a point about modern “democracy” spread by the barrel of a gun. The US is quite found of overthrowing supposedly anti-democratic governments and installing dictators (see Iran and most of South America). This is obviously not democracy, but the Neo liberals/cons will claim that is what they are doing.
I was just pointing out that ancient democracies did exist before the perversion that we see before us today. Perhaps I am just idealizing societies like ancient Greece though.
Their comment on the middle east is definitely sarcastic. There are no functioning democracies in the middle east that resulted from a US bombing campaign, except maybe Iraq, though I don’t think they’ll keep it to maturity.
That makes sense. Thanks.
Extradite Hegseth.
It’s insane that they aren’t, at worst, intercepting and searching these vessels. As with everything Trump does, cruelty is the point.
This man is a convicted felon that is sloppily trying to cover up the fact he sexually abused children (Epstein Files), along with the full support of the republican party. And the GOP (politicians and voters alike) are complicit with these crimes as long as they agree he should not be punished.
We, the sane people in this world, will never forget these facts.
WAR_CRIMES
Not recognizing ICC, regime change, illegal killing of foreign civilians, supporting genocidal regimes, invading other countries, carpet bombing nations, incarcerating their own population, killing eachother in mass shootings, biggest per capita contribution to climate change.
American exceptionalism isn’t doing us any good.
But ooh nooo China, please Europe, fear China… We are your ‘allies’.
It’s murder for political optics plain and simple.
Yeah, but that is the case for a LOT of murder done by both states and individuals. I’m in no way saying that to lessen how bad it is, if anything it should give people pause to reflect on how bad many things they don’t see as bad are.
Exactly.
If they claim they know that these boats have drugs on them, they could just apprehend them when they made port.
But then they would have to actually find said drugs to use as evidence to prosecute them.
This is just extrajudicial murder, plain and simple. I hope Trump and everyone who is involved with this dies an excruciatingly painful death.
But then they would have to actually find said drugs to use as evidence to prosecute them.
It’s not like those can’t be planted. They’re already killing civilians of another country, there’s no bottom in their games.
If they claim they know that these boats have drugs on them, they could just apprehend them when they made port
That would require due process, instead of a spectacle of Shock and Awe.
Also, let’s say, hypothetically that these aren’t drug boats. Let’s say they are boats moving medical supplies or fuel or building materials between Venezuela and Cuba. Let’s say they’re actually military units working on behalf of the Venezuelan Coast Guard or just fisherman who got caught in an international crossfire.
It’s just easier to say “Drug Gang. Killed them.” knowing no major American media source is going to publish a rebuttal. Nobody in the US has access to the details of the attack. Nobody is going to interview the families or investigate the wreckage. Nobody is going to contradict this regime when it comes to butchering citizens of the Global South.
So why not call them a drug gang? Call them human traffickers. Call them roving nautical pedophiles. Call them Islamic Jihad.
American audiences won’t hear anything different.
Imagine if they’ were actually human traffickers, and these assholes have been blowing up the victims as well.
So where the drugs?
that’s the beauty of it. there aren’t any!
On the streets
This sets a really bad precedent and is just plain wrong and murderous. Like no sane people comes up with this plan and then starts murdering. Absolutely not okay. I thought the UN made a statement that this is illegal? Does that mean, like Bush, it will likely be the case that Trump (and maybe his goons?) won’t be able leave the US if they push that through the international court? I would love this for all of them.
My entire life has been a bad precedent.
I sure hope so. If America has a civil war over evils like this, I don’t want Dogey Americans to be able to flee and set down roots in other nations. Our elite are weeds, and they will strangle the life out of Europe and others if given the chance.
Sharing a border with them might make this especially difficult. Even American culture has gotten to us North of the border… Thankfully it seems like a big part of our identity is just “we’re not American” so when the nasty T word came around most people I knew were actively boycotting ( and still are) US made products. Here’s hoping that if it comes down to a civil war, it’s quick and painless…
Hard to say. Historically, the American Civil War and the whole thing(s) with the World Wars took at least several years to resolve, in extremely bloody fashion. HOWEVER: Competence isn’t present at all within the Trump Regime. Nazi Germany had veteran soldiers and genuine anger from the mistreatment caused by the Versailles Treaty. The likes of the Trump Regime doesn’t have any legitimate grievances to power a war, and is explicitly removing the best soldiers from their ranks for petty reasons.
The American Civil War, while not a foregone conclusion, had a lot of factors against the Confederacy: A lack of Southern infrastructure and logistics, limited trade partners, VERY angry and rightfully motivated black folks, lack of morality, and so forth. Aside from veteran generals, the Confederacy wasn’t in a good position for victory. The Trump Regime is pretty much stacking almost every factor against itself.
That said, there are many wealthy people who would prefer a Dogey America, so we will probably see Elon funding and building Tesla CyberTanks or V3 Rockets. This is a common thread between the American Civil War and the Trump Regime, in that very wealthy interests have to gain from moral decay and slavery.
I am hopeful for a good outcome, but it will take the bodies and effort of people like myself, and the assistance of friendly nations, to defeat MAGA if we come to blows. If you are a foreigner, please support cooperative aid for the Free States - trade, troops, information, entertainment, moral support, all are good for the cause.
This is terrorism.
I would make the case that the people being directly killed here by the state, while atrocious, pale in comparison to the number of deaths that will be directly attributed to the cutting of USAid internationally and the loss of healthcare, jobs and environmental regulations in the US. And of course the gutting of the US health department and ending vaccine programs/requirements.
We will likely see a death-toll directly tied to Trump and his administration in the range of seven figures in the next decade.
the number of deaths that will be directly attributed to the cutting of USAid internationally and the loss of healthcare, jobs and environmental regulations in the US
Hey now, we didn’t cut USAID. We just sent $40B to our good friends in Argentina. And now Milei’s party has won the midterms, which means he can continue his War On Leftism inside the state and along the borders.
We’re also helping to arm and secure Guyana, in a Kuwait-like project to drill into neighboring Venezuelan oil fields. That’s not happening for free. Lots of Latin Americans and US government contractors are absolutely getting their palms greased. It’s been a bonanza for NATO aligned mercenaries since the Bush Era, thanks to all the money we’re spending on freelance military.
We’re saving lives, man. All that money is putting food on the tables of any number of cocaine snorting, whore house frequenting, tacti-cool sunglass wearing Afghanistan washouts and their Guasano peers.
Are you just going to ignore that?
How could we ever let that poor oil stay down in the ground where it can’t be loved and cared for? It’s cruel NOT to destroy countless lives in exchange for this act of kindness and empathy.
*state terrorism
Murder
People that say he is murdering are next on the list.
He does say it might be illegal for late night show hosts to criticize him…
He talks and acts exactly like a dictator. Can people actually NOT see that?
Yes but they like what he’s doing.
Murdered.
