So many children have been abused by conspiracy theory parents denying them life saving medical care. We need to push back against these anti-vaccine lunatics and educate the public.
These morons have been brainwashed to visualize life-saving immunizations as “scary unfeeling doctor man forced poison into my sweet innocent baby”.
And they just eat it the fuck up.
Maybe they were all looking for the most evil and disgusting way to win a (late) darwin award.
In the end there are fewer of their genes in the big pool. If that what they want… tragic, but can’t force them.
Why do these people even use the hospital for birth if thry are going to fight their standard care? Stay home and no one will bug you about any shots, dumbasses.
Oh don’t worry they do that too.
They just want someone else to clean up the mess.
Vitamin k
Did the most progressive (science) birth ever. Always vaccinate all the vaccines.
But iirc vitamin k was the one thing they really encouraged the parents to decide for themselves
I was initially against vitK with my newborn, simply because I didn’t want her to be messed with a bunch in her first 48hrs of life. The Dr explained I was going to drive home in Miami traffic, and it was safest to get the vitamin K to prevent excessive bleeding if we crashed,so I consented and she got the shot with me feeding her. Im very pro vaccine, and she has all her shots. The best solution is to find a dr you trust and trust their advice. As informed as I felt i was im neither a scientist nor a doctor. My feelings of not wanting her to be messed with are valid, but science > feelings.
As long as its Americans falling for this shit I think the rest of the world can live with some Darwin awards. All of this science and research and you kill yourself by refusing is allowed in my books. Remember were animals and we shouldn’t be saving people who don’t want to be saved.
oh my satan what a trump title. Seriously this is an old news item so I know what it is about but man it could not be more obfuscated. Its about vitamin k shots.
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It’s not religion that makes people stupid. Plenty of religious people aren’t anti-vax.
Plenty of atheists are also stupid. Stupid people are everywhere, don’t limit them to one group.
Actually, I think anti-vaxxers are one group we could blame for all this.
Both sides do it, both sides do it.
Well… They do.
If they’re not trying to stop others from getting what’s needed, I see no problem. In fact, I see a solution
Social conservatives have shown, time and again, that they won’t stop at simply refusing treatment for themselves. They want to make sure that everyone lives according to their beliefs. They will, of course, claim they are protecting children.
We can deal with that bridge when we cross it, but until then I’m all ears on a better option for the current issue
It’s easy:
Your kid doesn’t get to participate in any public services (school, for instance) if they are not vaccinated - no non-medical exceptions. And it is illegal to refuse to educate your kid.
That’s a genuinely good idea! What do you think are the chances that will ever happen?
That used to be a thing in a lot of states - admittedly, there were some more exceptions, but generally school districts were reasonably strict about it, as a matter of public and community health. But the antivax movement took a lot of the teeth out of those mandates - so much so that many places in the US have lost their herd immunity as a result of so many idiot parents “doing their own research”.
I was in school when those requirements were mandatory. Truly a shame how far the us has fallen since then
But they are stopping others from getting what’s needed, their own child. Without said child’s consent.
I’m absolutely open to alternatives. List away!
That’s a job for a doctor, which I am not.
Fair enough
Being raised by conservative assholes shouldn’t be a death sentence.
I’m all ears on a better solution
I was raised by said conservatives and if I was born thirty years later I’d have been unvaccinated. I don’t have a good answer for you. But you’re condemning a lot of people (that may eventually disagree with their parents!) to a pretty unhealthy existence.
Maybe consider being a little less gleeful when thinking about dead kids, even if their parents are assholes.
Sounds like we had similar upbringings. Never said I had a good answer, I just answered. These people live to defy the common good if they’re told it will hurt the people they’ve been trained to hate. Do you really think trying to force them to do the right thing won’t result in them resisting even more? That that approach doesn’t result in even more of those children dying? It’s by no means what I want, so please don’t conflate that with me acknowledging this reality in a cynical tone. I’m talking about members of my family who feel this way, you think I don’t personally understand the consequence of what I’m suggesting?
In fact, I see a solution
I can’t conceive of any context in which this doesn’t mean “the suffering of children is a good outcome.” Like, the suffering of children will convince their parents that they were wrong?
There is a simple solution:
- Vaccinations are provided at no cost.
- Vaccinations are required by law. No religious exemption. No “I’m a parent and I say so” exemption.
- Day one of school will be vaccination catch-up day for kids who have fallen behind.
That won’t get everyone. But it’ll get enough to ensure broad community immunity. The people writing and implementing the laws just have to be willing to grow a spine and say “your opinion as a parent does not overrule medical science.”
I don’t want anyone to suffer who didn’t cause someone else to suffer first, but realizing that suffering will occur due to others ignorance regardless of what I want isn’t me condoning it. And yes, I can’t think of a more direct way to get ignorant parents to understand the harm they’ve caused than for their own children to suffer from their actions. The whole argument is based on getting the people causing the suffering to stop. These people are wildly selfish; you think they care about anything that doesn’t affect them? It’s terrible that it’s reached that point, but if you don’t realize that yet, you’re living in a dream world. These people wouldn’t wear masks to prevent the spread of COVID, but they’ll happily support state thugs wearing them while disappearing anyone who isn’t white or who speaks out against the regime.
Your solution is simple and effective, and in any other developed country outside the us it’s probably reality already. Do you live in the us? If you don’t, then it may be hard for you to understand why no part of your plan will happen at present. If you do live here, then you’re just plain ignorant to the reality here. Do I wish things were different here? With all my heart. I plan on leaving this shithole country as soon as I can.
I’m posing a solution based on reality. You’re proposing a solution based on a situation that doesn’t exist where the problem is. Please don’t confuse my acceptance of the current situation with approval of it.
I can’t think of a more direct way to get ignorant parents to understand the harm they’ve caused than for their own children to suffer from their actions
I don’t need them to understand. I’m okay if they’re angry. They can throw a fit on Facebook and get a million likes. But if their kid doesn’t get the measles, it’s worth it.
You’re saying you want to be proven right. I’m saying I don’t care what they think as long as their kids are okay.
And yeah, I’m from the US. A rural town from a flyover state. My parents vaccinated me during the Clinton administration because the whole right wing coalition was there to disagree with him, not convince their rank and file that he was the antichrist.
They can’t make their constituents hate “the left” (for whatever that’s worth in the US) any more than they already do. So why not just do the right thing? You’re correct in that center-left people will never enact what I’m suggesting. I’m going to stick around and make sure better people replace them.
A final one?
Fuck no
What you proposed is straight up eugenics. To you, letting babies die preventable deaths because their parents are idiots isn’t a problem, it’s a solution to idiots.
Again; I’m open to better options. IDK if you’re american or not, but I am. I live in the american south. I deal with these people on a daily basis. They’re not worth tolerating. It’s not lost on me that their children are innocent, but I’m open to suggestions on how to convince them that giving up some of their personal freedom for the greater good is the best path forward, because the vast majority wouldn’t even put on a mask during COVID to help others. They’ll happily let their kids die to preserve their idea of ‘freedom’. How do propose getting them to voluntarily help their children?
Good thing they aren’t the final arbiter of truth, the all knowing, omniscient, all powerful enforcer of that which is true and just. But you aren’t either, so its good that you also don’t have that power.
Lol, the truth. Why don’t we just tell them that what they believe isn’t true, I’m sure they’ll come to their senses after hearing that 🤣 I don’t remember claiming to be anything other than someone still waiting on folks to reply with what should be done since they’re real chatty about what they think shouldn’t be.
Simple, you don’t convince them. You give them no choice and impose penalties for not doing it.
I’m sure rfk jr’s brain worm will jump right on that plan. You must not live in america, right?
No, I’m American. I didn’t say it was a likely thing to happen, just that it’s a simple fix.
