Are they simply not welcome but will compete anyway or are they banned outright
Fourth paragraph in the article:
Russian athletes can compete in the Paris Olympics, which run from July 26 until August 11 but only as neutrals.
Figures. Mayor just blowing smoke for no reason.
But Russians are still able to compete under neutral flag, same as last year.
This lets them feel like victims but also take credit for any medals Russian athletes win. I honestly don’t understand why the Olympics insist on having Russians competing when they cheated systematically even before they started murdering Ukrainians.
I’m okay with individuals from offending countries competing, as long as they denounce the state by separating from its governing body, and choose to train outside of their confines.
Let an Israeli or Russian compete, but only if they move away from their country and disassociate, opting to relocate and represent another country where possible - and we’ll see the best possible outcome of banning war-hungry nations.
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The countries forced to fly under the Olympic flag? Last time I checked, the IOC hadn’t forced this…
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Russian and Belarus, obviously. They’re the ones that were banned by the IOC.
What answer were you expecting? If you want to ban any country that’s been in a war, you’d basically be watching San Marino compete against Lichtenstein…
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They can but they are not welcome… Regardless their opinion or what.
You can come but we spit on you.
I would like see France coherent in its geopolitical positions regarding this kind of speech… But…
We have a story as country…
If we want to exclude athletes from international competition just because the ruling class in the country they happen to have been born in undertakes military action, that’s fine. We just have to be consistent about it. I’d like to see athletes from the US, Isreal, UK, France, Canada, and many other countries treated the same way the west is currently treating Russian and Belorussian athletes.
Holy shit dude… even Israel is defending itself (although without caring for civilians), not attacking. Are you seriously comparing Russia to Israel or even countries more or less allied with Israel? How delusional are you?
Besides that: all pollings show that the average Russian is pro-war. Its not ‘the ruling class’.
Israel is attacking, it isn’t the children Israel slaughters wholesale that are dangerous.
Hamas attacked Israel, Israel is defending itself against it, by invading Palestine. I don’t think that they are doing the right thing there and Netanjahu needs to be stopped, but initially they actually had a casus belli, which is a lot more reasonable than what Russia had.
Hamas attacked on oct 7th because Israel has been commiting genocide against Palestinians for decades prior.
Israel has no casus belli.
The competition between USA, Russia, and China is what gets people to tune in, really. With anyone of those countries not participating, viewership tanks, is my guess.
There’s also the whole thing about eschewing politics. Traditionally wars were paused for the Olympics, but I’m pretty sure that’s irrelevant today, especially when the US led a boycott of the Moscow Olympics in 1980 and then Russia boycotted the Los Angeles Olympics in 1984. It’s really about viewership.
Oh and the IOC is notoriously corrupt. If Russia pays to participate, the IOC will find every which way to let them, no matter how badly they cheat and genocide, same with the US and China.
Is it?
I’m in the UK, and I don’t think the British (or any other European country) particularly gives a fuck about how any of those countries do. Ask most people in the UK who America’s best gymnast was and most couldn’t tell you.
What people want to see is the best, which to do so needs involvement from the largest countries (the three named). If any of these countries is banned from these sports, chances are that any funding for them is killed pretty quickly, and suddenly those great athletes aren’t world-beaters any more.
Like I said, it’s about viewership, and the UK brings very little of that compared to the US, Russia, and China.
Israeli athletes are just fine tho
It’s only condemnable if it’s white people that are dying. Muslims, of course, don’t count.
Please add a sarcasm tag.
It’S oNLy CoNdEmNabLe iF iT’s WhiTe pEoPLe tHaT aRe dYiNg. MusLimS, oF CoUrSe, DoN’t CouNt.
Better?
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. There’s too many people out there posting shit like this for real.
I mean, I appreciate the fact that I’m getting down voted because it means we’ve moderated this community well enough that nobody thinks this is serious. I take this as a positive.
That’s some solid reframing, bro 👍
Copium at it’s most refined form
Your sarcasmometer is broken.
I acknowledge this.
I don’t understand. It is sarcasm unless @naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca believes muslim deaths don’t count.
Chinese too
You are aware they started that narrative for two reasons: 1) To distract from the fact they were radicalizing nazis in the area and 2) to drum up justification for a war with china. The only reason it’s still around despite the MOUNTAINS of evidence proving it wrong is because Americans are so fucking racist that they don’t even care that it’s blatantly bullshit because it gives them moral carte blanche to hate china.
Wait… Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, Uyghurs, Philippines and the rest are all big fabrication 🤯
Modded as misinfo, worth to check the modlog… There were no links to any fake news sites nor information commented, just a realization that apparently all reports of even different cases can’t possibly have any truth to them.
Trump’s lawsuits could be an allegory. There’s so many of them and similarly all of them have to be fake I guess. No fire where there’s smoke
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I’m sorry you see me as an enemy and act reactively. I see we the people as one and am not related to the image you need to attack.
I see we the people as one
Then you’d be wrong from the jump; because ‘we the people’ have always been split down the middle between who owns the plantation and who gets forced to toil; and in 400 years that has not changed.
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Oh, it’s gish gallop time? I’ve seen better: https://lemmy.ml/comment/9325173
Very convenient. Maybe you’re a chosen one and nobody else can’t figure out that light flows in aether. Thanks!
I know you’re in no position to call it a firehose of falsehood, because I knew you were never actually going to read any of it.
But if you want to understand how the Five Eyes governments and corporate media propaganda work, I’ve got a firehose of facts for that as well.
The inner workings of corporate media were explained about forty years ago in Inventing Reality and Manufacturing Consent.
A five minute introduction: Noam Chomsky - The 5 Filters of the Mass Media MachineBonus rounds:
You misunderstood. I’m taking your word as is.
Government propaganda is good to realize!
Let’s say we have a basket of apples. The world’s most powerful apples. And they all look rotten and diseased, we know the reasons which make them rotten, it’s peer reviewed and considered a fact.
So then we make a leap of faith. What if despite evvvvvvveeeerrrything, this one apple is actually pure and holy. And only a few know this for sure and they’re not letting anyone else know the proof.
That’s very wonderful but, kinda sketchy at the same time?
Take your pick, it probably applies.
Can you give context. What topic are you guys discussing
Pick any anti-china narrative, it covers them all.
Thanks for replying but I would really appreciate if you mentioned the specific topic or the context. I’m having quite some trouble understanding your previous comment without context.
It’s fine if you don’t understand. Your mind shall remain unpoisoned.
You were referring to something by saying “it”. I just want to understand the context. I mean no offence. I apologise if my comments came across in any unintentional way. English isn’t my first language.
France with history of enslaving and colonising black people should never be allowed at any global competitions.
true. and that applies to westoids in general
They should not be welcome in any place in this world. 🚫 stop orcs sign should be implemented in every country border.
I agree, whatever country yours is should not be allowed. Genocidal animals. You people are not human. Fascists are not human.
Thats why they’re banning Israeli athletes too though right?
They’re banning Israeli athletes too, right?
People will start surrounding their flats and say BOO during the match.
We can only hope
And FLIP THE MIDDLE FINGER at the athletes and the coaches.
Completely missing the point of the Olympics
Wouldn’t be the first time the Olympics got politicized to suit the energy of western crackers.
Finally. It is ridiculous that they weren’t straight away excluded. How can you complete when you’re attacking another participant, seems idiotic
OK, wait a minute. The modern Olympics are a super problematic thing in themselves, but the idealistic naïveté that underpins them has a certain internal logic. And this statement breaks that internal logic. If Russia breaks the Olympic Truce, then sanction them however appropriate (e.g., by excluding them from the next games, like it has been done before), but this kind of pre-emptive exclusion is inconsistent with what the Olympics are about and reeks of hypocrisy and double standards, when it is only directed at Russians and Belarussians and not any of the “what about X” countries that anyone can think of.
That said, fuck the IOC and the corporate monster that the Olympics have become.
