“It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.”
I was wondering how the media was going to explain the collapse in Ukraine when it finally becomes impossible to hide it, and now we know. The whole thing is going to be blamed on republicans holding up money in congress, as if pouring another 61 billion after all the untold billions that were already poured into this was going to make any difference. The fact that people genuinely believe this is frankly depressing. It shows just how utterly credulous and mentally deficient western public is.
NATO is seeking to take control of decision-making powers on future aid packages — normally led by the US — in an effort to limit the impact of a potential second Donald Trump presidency on the ongoing conflict.
This is wild. It’s bad enough that the US president has the power to start wars wherever he wants with no congressional approval. But now they’re trying to make it so that the only people with the authority to withdraw from a conflict are unelected NATO officials accountable to no one.
Dronies will support this, because they love endless war across the globe and want to remove any potential for popular support to achieve peace.
And who’s gonna die this time
Lose away bozo, you got played
will the neonazis kill him right away or wait til he has been living in Miami for awhile?
My money’s on ‘on the airstrip trying to flee’.
nice job america, now in addition to everything else, you’ve lost a war you weren’t even fighting in. Fuck yeah!
Are you implying Ukraine has lost the war? That’s just not true, they still hold territory that according to Putin is part of Russia
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“you have lost” is past tense
Yes, “you have lost” is present perfect and describes that the loss occurred at some unspecified point in time before. It can also describe a loss which effects can still be felt in the present.
The implication is that OP is convinced that Ukraine has no chance of holding their lines, as you correctly pointed out earlier.
It is a bad idea to trust and rely on Ameeica. Some Afgans learned this lesson in 2021, the same is happening to Ukraine now.
Many such cases!
Gaddafi’s is just sad. Such a terrible decision to give up their nuclear deterrence and trust western governments.
Nukes are why the DPRK hasn’t been invaded again, and why it hasn’t ended up Libya is now.
Ukraine gave up their nukes in exchange for peace with Russia, then got invaded by Russia.
they weren’t ukrainian nukes. they were soviet nukes and ukraine didn’t have the money or expertise to take care of them.
I wouldn’t put it that way exactly. Ukraine was a constituent part of the USSR, and eastern Ukraine was a major industrial hub. I don’t know the history of it, but perhaps giving the nukes to Russia was part of the deal made in the Post-Soviet transition in Ukraine.
Russia inherited the Soviet military for the most part. It’s unlikely that Ukraine could have used those nukes in the first place.
Ukraine was very much at peace with Russia as it always had been before the 2014 coup and the resulting fascist gov that didn’t care about such agreements.
The fascist government is the one invading Ukraine, my guy.
How many times are we going to go over this, my guy?
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Truthout, 2015: The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- The Conversation, 2022: Ukraine war follows decades of warnings that NATO expansion into Eastern Europe could provoke Russia
OK, there are fascists in Ukraine, like in a lot of countries. How does it give Russia the right to invade and carry out a genocide?
Did Libya have a substantial development program?
Gaddafi is another example yes, but let’s not have any sympathy for a horrible dictator that tortured and abused his subjects to the point where they sodomized him with a bayonet.
Gaddafi was a leader in the liberation struggle against the Global North’s imperialism.
It was Gaddafi who was sodomized with a bayonet. Wikipedia: Killing of Muammar Gaddafi
The NTC initially claimed Gaddafi died from injuries sustained in a firefight when loyalist forces attempted to free him, although a video of his last moments shows rebel fighters beating him and one of them sodomizing him with a bayonet before he was shot several times.
In typical US fashion, it fabricated atrocities as a pretext for regime change: 2011 Libyan rape allegations
Three women, loads of lies and the destruction of Libya
Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice and Samantha Power were the three principal advocates of war against Libya in 2011, setting the North African nation on a free fall ever since. Demonstrations broke out in some Libyan cities against the government of late Muammar Gaddafi in February 2011, in what became known as the “Arab Spring” that engulfed the region. However, Libya’s promised spring turned into a destructive autumn during which Gaddafi was murdered on 20 October, 2011, and Libya was left anguishing in lawlessness, courtesy of the three women.
The US does this all the time; it’s still doing it. The blueprint of regime change operations
Fight for “democracy” /s
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You mean insurgents funded by the west after having them give up their nuclear deterrence because it posed a major threat to capitalism/imperialism in the region.
Libya went from one of the poorest countries in the world to having the highest human development index in Africa by 2010 under the socialist government. Housing and healthcare were made a human right and youth literacy reached pretty much 100%.
Yes, I’ll have sympathy for the country that was basically extorted by the west through brutal sanctions into disarming itself so it could be invaded and destroyed, as any human should.
He made it better for Arabs, everyone else was treated horribly. But hey I guess being a dictator is fine as long as the people you like are being treated okay and fuck everyone else. How very Modi of you.
everyone else was treated horribly
Who was everyone else?
But hey I guess being a dictator
Libya in Gadafi’s time was more democratic than the United States has ever been. Libya: How To Kill a Nation
When Five Eyes governments and corporate media tell you who is and isn’t a “dictator,” they do it to manufacture consent for regime change.
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Sad, but true
Ukraine rely on a lot more than just the USA. But what else can they do? It’s either that or they get annexed.
Their are a small country versus a world power.
The region doesn’t rely on the US, the post-2014 fascist government does.
There wasn’t a problem here until the US-backed coup in 2014 and subsequent killing of eastern Ukrainians and Crimeans by the coup gov.
Just so many things wrong there…
- Ukraine became reliant on US military aid after Russia invaded in 2014 with the help of separatists they funded. The same strategy they have employed in Georgia and Moldova.
- There is zero evidence that the US did any coup in Ukraine. There is plenty for it being a revolution against Yanukovych after he broke his election promises and brutally supressed protests caused by that. That in turn triggered a full blown revolution.
- The Minsk agreements were never honored by Russia as one of the clauses was for Russia to remove their troops from the regions, which never happened.
- Post 2014 those regions were occupied by Russia. Ukraine was fighting against an occupation, not bombing civilians for fun.
- Eastern Ukraine has never wanted to join Russia, it was occupied in 2014. Yanukovych was elected with the promise of closer economic ties with Europe, not Russia.
How is not a single part of your post true? Debunking bullshit always takes longer but I guess that’s the strategy with disinformation.
Apparently the mods on lemmy.ml support Russian disinformation as this got removed with the comment “Misinfo-see nuland/pyatt call”. I have heard that call in its full context as it gets brought up as the only evidence. What it actually ended up being were 2 US politicians discussing that the most likely person to take over as Yanukovych fled took over. Literally anyone familiar with the politics in Ukraine can come to the same conclusion.
You know that Lemmy is the last sanctuary of the most insane people ridiculed everywhere else where you see comments like that having positive rating lol.
ridiculed everywhere else
Just the anglosphere-dominated spaces like reddit that are full of US propaganda.
Feel free to point out what you disagree with.
Well, you spelled Ukraine correctly, I guess
One doesn’t go to a nuthouse to reason with patients :)
So… no argument?
You replying seems to indicate otherwise.
Loving the ableism btw
If the lead and microplastics in the water don’t take you out, overt collapse will; and I pray I get to watch it happen you absolute defect
fascist
You mean Putin?
No yew
Eat shit
Well that sucks.
It doesn’t suck. Well, it does for the west.
Time to end the war and give peace a chance.
Yeah, giving the five bordering regions of Russia to Ukraine, including Belgorod would be the best compensation.
Unfortunately for the Ukrainian people, this attitude you and the rest of the West hold has lead them to utter disaster.
If you could back it up with actual military success, it’d be reasonable.
But instead, all of Europe and the US is about to lose to post Soviet Russia, and Ukraine has paid the price.
Yeah, that tends to happen when you get you provoke a war then get your shit stomped. All this could have been avoided if the West kept their dick out of the former Eastern Bloc over the last couple decades, but they didn’t, and this is where we ended up. We fucked up their country, and they get to pay the consequences for our actions.
The “I’m not hitting you! I’m not hitting you! Look! I’m not hitting you, nyah nyah!.. mmMMMMOOOOOMMMMMMMM HE HIT ME! HE STARTED IT!” defense doesn’t work if you’re a fucking country.
That’s why Congress doesn’t want to send more aid.
No reason to let the Russians capture more patriot batteries…
Republicans are good buddies with Putin. If Trump would have been in power, he would have been selling weapons for the Russians, then play along with the whole “Ukrainians are actually Russians” stuff of Putin.
Definately NOT proxy cannon fodder
Republicans are thrilled
They so desperately want their own version of Putin in the US. Where they get to kill their political opponents when they like.
Is Biden not that dictator already? Or is it going to be exclusively Trump, because US citizens do not care who gets genocided overseas as long as they get to live their mentally ill lifestyle more?
Comparing the two, trump is more dictator-aligned seeing as how he openly talks the dictator talk, aka using government agencies to take out political opponents, dehumanizing minorities to curry favor with fascists, openly calling for the constitution of the US to be ripped to shreds, etc. And let’s be honest here, whether trump or Biden, they’d both be enabling the genocide of Palestinians. The only difference is that while Biden is enabling the genocide of Palestinians, trump would do that and stop aid to Ukraine, letting Russia genocide tf outta Ukraine as well.
Unfortunately Biden is the lesser of two evils…
Bidens admin just declared that Ukraine WILL join NATO a direct provocation and greatly increased chances for WW3, this along makes Biden the much much greater of the two evils.
OH THE HORROR!
No, he isn’t. And to even suggest that he is would be fucking stupid
You know he just condemned 61 protestors to years of federal carceral slavery under the RICO act, which was INTENDED to be used against organized crime? Your man’s a straight-up fascist dictator, and you’re a collaborator.
If you’re talking about the “Cop City” protesters, that was Georgia State. Not Federal government. It’s 100% bullshit but it’s not Biden’s fault. It’s the Republican lead government of Georgia and their AG.
As the head of the Executive branch, it’s his law. RICO charges are federal charges, they carry FELONY time of up to twenty years if not longer because that’s just a guideline. It also falls to him to grant pardons. Ergo, his inaction is his fault. Do not come to me caping for settlers like YOU’RE THE GUY who can run defense for him. You are not him.
Yes, no shit. That was the outlook from day 1.
The Russian Army is largely represented as a bunch of baffoons in the Western media, but it’s still one of the 3 largest armies in the world. Ukraine cannot hold their lines indefinitely, the only way to “win” against an opponent that has multiple times your materiel available is guerilla.
There’s no win for humanity through war against an opponent that has thousand of nukes. If one of the nuclear reactors in the region would had been seriously damaged you would be curse every cent that went into fueling this war. We are walking on a thin line already.
Yeah just let them invade us all, that’s the best option.
/s
We already let governments stock piling nukes and take away our freedom
Then guerilla it is!
What the fuck did you just say to me. Motherfucker?
I said your momma looks good in combat boots
Made the same mistake before too. Lemmy learning curve.
Eh it feels like a low effort Reddit response. Copypastas can stay there.
Thanks, Unidan.
Yeah… More Reddit stuff. No thanks.
People know the copypasta, you just said it wrong. The opening insult isn’t motherfucker.
UkraineUnited States is going to lose if Congress doesn’t send more aid$773 billion dollars last year spent on fighting “proxy” wars around the world (and if you count the spying, domestically).
The only one that America has actual moral footing to get behind is the only one we are pulling punches on.
Hardly the first time. I’d argue the US made the same mistake in Afghanistan in 2003, diverting resources to Iraq because Bush Jr. had such a hard-on for Saddam.
100%
With each passing day, Biden’s administration looks like the Bush administration’s bigger more right wing brother.
Citizens United needs to be overturned. The Pentagon budget needs to be at least halved. We need the 2 party system to end.
This will never happen if we keep voting for the lesser evil every 4 years.
I agree with the viewpoints, but many voted for the Russia supporting party, and noone else got enough support in the primaries. There needs to be massively increased primary involvement before a systemic change to move away from the two party system can be feasible. I’m a big fan of ranked choice voting myself, but what big party candidate is going to advocate for that in the current climate? I’m hoping changes can happen over the next decade as my generation and the one below get even more active.
Republicans are corrupted spoiled fucks.
Democrats are corrupted spoiled fucks.
How do you think “massively increased involvement” will occur if we keep throwing our votes at these massively corrupt spoiled fucks?
Peaceful abstaining. Quiet sit in. America on strike.
That is the only possible way we have to cause the change we needed at least 50 years ago.
I mean involvement of the voters themselves. I push a lot of my friends to just go vote, but they still won’t. If you figure out how to get people to actually want to fix the situation, let me know.
I know that in America, currently, “peaceful protester” is an officially classified terrorist group. That was what Occupy Wallstreet resulted in.
I have no idea what Blue MAGA is even suggesting when they say “get more involved in government outside of election season”. The concept doesn’t exist.
I definitely still vote on measures.
When my choices are vote for Genocide and continued severe loss of privacy of freedom A or Genocide and continued severe loss of privacy of freedom B, all I can figure is vote disenfranchised. Won’t check the damn box.
Primary results where people did that have already gotten Biden change his half hour chit chat with Bibi from “your US taxpayer dollars are on the way. The weapons you are buying with those dollars are on the way” to “your US taxpayer dollars are on the way. The weapons you are buying with those dollars are on the way, try to go easier on the civilians in Gaza.”
If Biden suffers a shameful and embarrassing defeat, maybe the next Democrat will figure out the correct answer is “fuck you Bibi, you genocidal maniac. Israel is cut off, that money will now be invested into fixing the healthcare crisis in America, our military is moving humanitarian aid into Gaza, and if your genocidal asshats so much as point a gun in the general direction of our soldiers and the starving citizens of Gaza, you will enjoy our crosshairs.”
mm, delicious bait! 😋 go on then, which proxy war does the US have “actual moral footing” to get behind?
Israel /s
Ukraine/Russia. Supporting Ukraine is objectively morally correct.
lose what? the control of another country?
Control over Europe. Russia is funding far-right politicians in Europe.
