I’m gonna go with: don’t send cops on welfare checks. Send somebody competent to respond to mental health challenges, preferably someone not wearing a police uniform (after all, at this point a lot of folks think “unaccountable killer” when they see that uniform and there’s honestly reason for that).
Calling the police for a wellness check is just legalized swatting…
Calling cops for welfare check is like using chainsaw to cut a pie
Send somebody competent - are you sure there are enough competent people willing to this without protection?
In my experience, social worker programs are only understaffed because they are severely underfunded.
And we cycle back to “defund the police” being a bad slogan when we want to direct some of that law enforcement funding to support personal welfare
Maybe they should have borrowed corporate lingo to call for right-sizing police, or restructure community resources.
“Defund the police” is such obviously bad marketing that it makes you wonder if the people who coined the phrase were trying to help or hinder reform efforts.
There is no active threat to the community
Except from the COPS WHO KEEP FUCKING SHOOTING EVERYONE YOU STUPID CUNTS
The officer involved in the shooting has been placed on administrative leave, state police said.
They need to start keeping then in jail cells like they do with everyone else whi commits a homicide
That would have to be negotiated in the Police Union contracts. Same reason they can’t fire pedo teachers immediately, they are contractually obligated to keep paying them until they are investigated or found guilty.
Most of these cops “retire” to end the internal investigation and keep their benefits, then decide to “unretire”, and get hired in the next town with a clean record.
The police have one of the strongest unions in America, and almost no one bats an eye. But let Starbucks employees try to unionize and you’ll hear how greedy and corrupt unions are.
Fuck that. State or federal police should be arresting them that day. The local cops bargaining only matters because we allow it.
Don’t they have laws to protect the population from free walking murder suspects?
Sorry for who has to live there.
laws don’t protect people.
“There is no active threat to the community, Columbus police said”
You killed the community member in question of harm, surely that would mean the community has a threat.
I’ll say it again and again, before you call the cops for anything, you need to remember what you’re actually doing. You are willingly inviting an armed person, who will not lose a fight or back down, who is shielded from legal consequences, into your situation.
Grandpa isn’t answering his phone or the door and you’re worried? Call a locksmith, not the cops. Cops will just kick the door or call the locksmith anyway, now you have extra problems
That’s what defund the police is about. It’s about shifting the funding to other sources, social workers and such, that can handle calls like these. It relieves police of having to deal with stuff like this, too.
Defund was a horrible fucking name for the movement though. We’d need the conservatives to be on board and they’re not going for that shit cause they’ll stop listening as soon as they think you’re taking power away from their tastiest boots.
Optics and phrasing matter. For as much criticism as Democrats get about being inept at it, ACAB and Defund show that the critics aren’t a whole lot better.
Arguably, the way people perceive your project is more important than what it actually does. Probably a combination of both dems being shit at optics and repugs having the most well oiled propaganda machine in the world, cause it keeps fucking happening.
Planned parenthood
BLM
ACAB
defund the police
Communist/socialist policies
Democrats fucking SUCK ASS at slogans… So many good ideas ruined by inept marketing.
True, but not so much in this case. It was BLM, not the Democrats, and most Democrats rejected it. Biden even increased police funding in response.
I think most of this was because of the successful propaganda campaign that made every BLM protest sound like a riot when it was some tiny percentage in truth
Or shunting off good candidates. Bernie has been talking truth for fucking 50 years but no nomination. There’s no central talking head, no real stated goal…
I vote blue but fuck me they suck at rallying voters to a cause
Wow. There are literally zero details in this article and everyone has labeled the cop a murderer. What a thankless, shit job, police. Could it not have been that the officer arrived on scene to an armed individual who then attempted to murder him? He’s conducting a welfare check, the person he’s checking on may not be all there… Both the checker and the checkee are humans and matter here!
Which is where I and the rest of the ACAB folks will probably start to agree - cops shouldn’t be the ones responding to these calls. The hard part is that sending unarmed social workers into dangerous scenarios is not the answer either. Tough problem to solve. World’s not perfect. Give your fellow human the benefit of the doubt, though. Not every cop is a murderous bastard, and thinking that way isn’t helping anyone except tickling your own smug feelings. It’s also a sweeping generalization, something that’s both foolish and frowned upon these days. This an appeal to the humanity in all of you - quit writing off humans with a single acronym. You are removing their humanity and labelling them a monster. We can look to history to learn from the same mistake.
Level headed take gets downvotes. Classic Lemmy.
Regardless of how people feel about the above posters opinion, it’s a valid opinion, and people should engage in an open minded discussion instead of knee-jerk downvoting.
As a community, we’re better than that.
They need to send qualified people. Cops are so trigger happy and everyone knows it. At this point the easiest way to commit suicide is to call the cops on yourself, wait for them to arrive, take a $15 airsoft pistol out the door with you, turn so they can see it, wait for them to draw their guns, then level the airsoft pistol as quickly as you can at one of the cops and then boom! I imagine it’s not super popular because cops aren’t the best shot, and you might not die.
So… did the cops ignore the word ‘self,’ did they don’t know what the word ‘self’ means, or did they just want to go a-huntin’?
Because I’m guessing it’s #3.
Not the first time police stops a self harm with a murder. It’s actually a trend.
In the USA, you may get shot by a policeman by answering a welfare check.
In the USA, you may get shot by a policeman
FTFY
“The Columbus Police Department was conducting a welfare check on a subject following a report of potential self-harm,” Nebraska State Patrol said in a press release.
“Mission Accomplished”
Self - ❌
Harm - ✅
Can’t self harm if you’re already dead
Oh boy, this post ain’t gonna be popular. Humor me and read it all.
First off, there’s no meat on the bone here. Police called on a young man threatening self-harm, young man killed. Nothing to see here ATM.
Did the kid have a gun? Did he threaten the cops? WTF happened?! Nothing in this story addresses the simplest questions. Hell, it didn’t ask questions, let alone get answers. FFS, this is Journalism 101. (I literally took that class, and more.)
Here’s the question we should all be asking: Why are police the default mental health responders in America? We can all give a dozen reasons why that’s bullshit, but that’s not interesting. How do we actually make change? Read on.
“Defund the police” is the dumbest political slogan I’ve ever heard. Jesus. I know what’s meant. You know what’s meant. Worst. Marketing. Ever.
Had an opinion changing YouTube binge last night. Watched a dozen sov cits getting their asses handed to them in court. That evolved into watching cops bust idiots running around impersonating police officers.
In both cases I was stunned at the calm and measured responses from the judges and cops involved. Over and over and over again. The patience on display was stunning. Me? LOL, I’d throw these asses in jail or beat them down with a billy club. Been on the receiving end of bad judges and cops. As bad as you think it is now, didn’t used to be like that!
And why is it so much better today? We got public CAMERAS. I can usually argue both sides of an argument, if you can’t, you don’t understand the argument. I got nothing arguing cops shouldn’t be wearing body cams.
Of course you don’t release the footage immediately to the public! Of course you don’t live stream that shit! And yes, there’s a technical\budgetary cost well above buying a fat HDD.
Still, recording is plenty doable. And we can work out sane ways for those recordings to go public.
Go to your local sheriff’s FB page and ask why they’re not using body cams. Demand answers. LOL, I got no answers from mine. But press them anyway and do not stop!
First of all, it’s an active investigation involving a minor. It’s likely that information won’t be provided even if you ask.
Secondly, for someone who took journalism, you don’t seem to understand something called research. If you did any sort of research, you would understand that defund the police was a reallocation of funds away from the police to things like mental health professionals instead of decommissioned M16s.
You should stop watching YouTube for your
propagandacontent. There are other countries in this world that do use police for wellness checks but the USA is the number one for killings during those checks.They were saying they understood and agreed with the tenets of “defund the police” but thought that phrase was terrible marketing. It’s an easy target for the opposition to sway anyone in the middle, because it sounds like getting rid of police entirely.
Some of the proposals made were to get rid of police entirely and instead create an entirely new organization.
Gotta source for that
That’s not a source. I’m not doing your homework.
If you wonder why American cops are so trigger happy Amnesty International has the answer:
With Whom are Many U.S. Police Departments Training? With a Chronic Human Rights Violator – Israel
TBF I’d rather have them train with Israel than the people that are beheading babies and burning people alive.
Burning people alive is what israel is famous for. Most of the insane stories you heard on oct7 are quite literally things israel had done to the Palestinians in the past.
I’m not clicking that malware. Find an article from a reputable source or peddle your disinformation elsewhere.
I’m pretty sure you don’t know what a .edu domain name means. It means it’s a university. In this case-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_University_of_New_York_at_Oneonta
Please explain why a public university would be serving malware.
And it just links to a Twitter post as far as I can tell
Hey, what if a terminally I’ll crazy patient visit the police department of every city? I mean many terminally I’ll patients. They could be 12 years old if that helps.
Wouldn’t they all just start shooting themselves in a crazy shark feeding stupid way? Like when you see Koi ponds getting fed and all the Koi make the pond go crazy.
One “I’ll” instead of “ill” is an oversight. Two is just sheer laziness.
Fuck autocorrupt.
I like that! I’ve been calling it autowrong for some time, but I’m gonna add yours to the mix.
It’s an I’ll fated piece of shit part of android… Autocorrect my Spanish??? WTF? Can’t type anything other than English or this fucktard software will autocorrect to English. WTF!
