• Pasta Dental@sh.itjust.works
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    I don’t get the rich getting richer in the title, how does owning a home (for the vast majority of people, on a mortgage) make someone rich? About 65% of the Canadian population are homeowners. 65% of the population owning 90% of the wealth isn’t that surprising or that wrong. What’s truly wrong is numbers like 1% of the population owning 30% of the total wealth in the US.

    It’s always the homeowner boogeyman when in reality the problem comes from the government spending money wherever and not applying strict foreign home purchasing laws that keep increasing home prices. People who own one or two houses are not rich and are very unlikely to drive a Porsche, and even there, if it is an individual who owns that property, that person will have to pay their fair share of taxes on their income and property taxes.

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      4 months ago

      Imagine paying over $1000 for rent every month, except that if you decide to move, you (theoretically) get that money back, and (likely) even more.

      Now imagine that same $1000 going to someone else and you never see it again.

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          I’m not disagreeing with your comment btw. I was speaking to your question about the title.

          In the eyes of a renter, homeowners are rich. It’s (unfortunately) an amazing investment with a very high barrier to entry.

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            Funny enough, real estate preforms worse than just an index fund, usually. The difference is that a mortgage makes not regularly paying in much more difficult.

            But yeah, the underclass tends to rent.

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              The other differences are leverage, tax sheltering, and the low cost of borrowing. How many people can borrow $1,500,000 at 5% to buy an index fund in a tax shielded account?

              Also, don’t forget that you get to “invest” your rent money when you buy a home.

              Real estate returns are higher.

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                Yeah, but the return rate for stocks over the last century has been 10% per annum. I’m not making it up, this is what an actual financial advisor will tell you about the relative performance of real estate and investing, and why one or the other might be right for you.

                You shouldn’t really be leveraging yourself to buy into an index fund. If you can buy a house outright that’s also a better deal than a mortgage.

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      65% of the Canadian population are homeowners

      This is StatCan’s explanation of the number you’re referring to: .

      While people somewhat loosely use that number for home owners I believe it a highly inaccurate phrasing of the statistic. The statistic is owner-occupied homes.

      It’s always the homeowner boogeyman when in reality the problem comes from the government spending money wherever and not applying strict foreign home purchasing laws that keep increasing home prices.

      And they’re the people who keep advocating for these governments. For the record I don’t think you can find me ever saying that homeowners or even landlords are bad people just because of those characteristic, however it’s clear our interests do not align.

      pay their fair share of taxes

      The fair portion is what’s up for dispute right now.

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        Am I reading this right in that it’s a percentage of homes (dwellings) occupied by the owner compared to the percentage of people that own their home? Like if you have a family of 4 in a house and they rent out a (legal) basement suite to two individual renters, is that counted as one owner-occupied dwelling out of two dwellings on the property; (50% homeowner occupied or 100% homeowner occupied. Compared again to say having 6 people, of which one or two(is that family of 4 a couple or single parent) are homeowners.

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      People who own one or two houses are not rich

      If they own two, they’re definitely rich, although not big-R Rich. A house to live in and a rental is basically a retirement plan all on it’s own. Even one makes me think you’re in the middle class and doing okay.

      65% of the population owning 90% of the wealth isn’t that surprising

      Agreed.

      when in reality the problem comes from the government spending money wherever and not applying strict foreign home purchasing laws that keep increasing home prices.

      Neither of those things have caused the housing crisis.

      I have a strong feeling you’re in the picture here, as a homeowner.

      Edit: And neither have homeowners, to be clear. There’s just physically not enough buildings, which is a problem that’s being worked on.