genuinely curious as to why people choose that brand, are alternatives really that bad?
As I see it:
- you pay for the hardware and software, which is fine, but
- if you want to upgrade the OS, you have to pay once again, but this doesn’t work if your hardware model stops being supported. Why pay for something with a limited life expectancy?
- you cannot get rid of bloatware, only hide it
- software is made specifically to be only compatible within their ecosystem. If you want to build up on existing software and hardware, you either stay in their system and keep paying them or start anew with a freer alternative.
- I find it ridiculous they use fancy names to name even their support staff instead of just calling it support staff. Why make things complicated?
- I don’t understand why they use pentalobe screws instead or regular ones (with a line or a cross section)
Feel free to correct me, I may be misguided.
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In addition to the things everyone else has brought up:
- MacPorts gives you everything on any BSD or Linux machine, on your Mac.
- iTerm2 is the best terminal on any platform, there’s amazing capabilities in it. You didn’t know your terminal was so inadequate!
- AppleScript, Automator, and every programming language on Mac; Shortcuts, Pythonista, LispPad, & Hotpaw BASIC on iOS; make automation of the system and programming little tools incredibly easy. Everything is accessible to the power user, it’s not like Linux where some GUI features are scriptable, and others you’ll be writing a C++ program to reach some API because it’s not exposed to anything.
As the old ad says (which got me to buy in): Sends other UNIX boxes to /dev/null
I’m a bit confused, OS upgrades are free… I’ve been back and forth between iOS and Android a few times, I avoid lock-in to either ecosystem by using 3rd party cloud services like Bitwarden, Signal, Dropbox free (10GB), etc. I can switch over in half an hour. Most recently they started supporting the open standard Matter so they can use same smart home things as Google or Home Assistant.
As for “bloat”, well there’s a few apps I don’t use, most can be uninstalled, if not it only takes up a bit of disk space, not RAM/CPU so they don’t impact performance and I keep my phones for many years. Right now I got an iPhone 13, it runs like new, it’ll last for a long time.
Are we upset about what they call support staff? All companies do weird marketing stuff, it matters not.
I wanted to have an easier time when talking to girls and honestly I think it helped a bit
Blue bubble discrimination is real
@vmaziman holy crap I didn’t think of this. I met a girl a few days ago and we’ve been texting back and forth each day. Is this something she’s thinking?? Mother F*** now it’s in my head 😣
A friend who’s extremely technically competent told me he’s happy to have someone else be the sysadmin for his phone, and finds Apple more trustworthy than Google in that role.
iPhone/ipad user here. I also have managed 1000’s of mobile devices for over a decade.
I’ve never paid for an OS upgrade.
Apple supports devices longer than most large android OEMs.
Not much bloatware that I can think of.
Yes, software built for one OS doesn’t usually go to another OS without much issue. If it does it’s because it’s a PWA. Also, I have money.
Who cares what they call their staff?
Flat/Philips head screws are the worst. Nearly anything else is better. Years of working with HP/Compaq, Dell, BlackBerry,super micro,Nortel, Cisco, Ford, Mitsubishi, bmw, Suzuki, Yamaha equipment has made me realize that.
The last paid update was 10.8 Mountain Lion in 2012. It seems it was $30. The last full priced update was 10.5 Leopard for $129 in 2007.
I’ve never bought an apple product in my life, but even my android phone drives me nuts at times…
Android is definitely the lesser of two evils. I fucking hate SAF with a passion. A phone which doesn’t let me have a 20 digit passcode says letting my apps access my Download folder is insecure, and thus, not allowed?
ios has both custom numeric code and custom alphanumeric code options that allow the use of a possibly arbitrarily long numeric or alphanumeric code. idk how long it can be because i’ve never run into a character limit…
Yes, iOS solves that one problem at a cost of 20 more. I have my few gripes with Android (seriously Google, what were you thinking with that 16 character limit?) but it’s certainly no content to iOS. iOS is fine at most simple day to day things but terrible at anything more advanced.
I’m not trying to convince you of anything, just correct some information readers might stumble across.
Enjoy using android.
Huh? You weren’t correcting any misinformation, just providing additional information. No one had said that iOS had a password length limit, just that Android does.
My mistake, I read
Android is definitely the lesser of two evils. I fucking hate SAF with a passion. A phone which doesn’t let me have a 20 digit passcode says letting my apps access my Download folder is insecure, and thus, not allowed?
As talking about ios lol.
My assumption was that android would of course allow the user to let applications do stuff in downloads (maybe just like you) and I don’t know what SAF was.
Til. Thanks!
I used Android phones since the G1 and decided to give it a punt after a few phones in a row developed problems less than 2 years old. Well it turns out Apple devices just work and keep on working so I now have a few.
Still don’t want a Mac though.
I’ve never used an Android that felt like it was out of beta testing yet and they stopped making Windows phones and BlackBerrys (BlackBerries?). I only used my phone for texting and email and my significant other talked me into an expensive-ass iPhone 8 and I’ve just kinda kept going with them. I have an 8 and a 12 and I plan on using the 12 until it falls apart and then go back to the 8 until that one dies too. If e-ink phones aren’t a thing by that time I’ll get a dumb phone and separate device for Authenticator passcodes.
As for why - I don’t need the latest and greatest features on my phone. It may be an old way of thinking but I’d rather use a computer and dumb phone over a smart phone on its own.
I wish all windows users a very 65 decibel fan noise on opening 3rd chrome tab.
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I think a lot of folks hate Windows and are intimidated by, or don’t want to be inconvenienced by Linux.
I have an iPhone, MacBook, and run Linux on a desktop pc. Only thing I have to add is that on iOS the only apps you can’t remove is phone, messages, settings, App Store, and safari which I wouldn’t consider bloatware. On macos I think u can remove pretty much anything using workarounds. Rn apples arm laptops are some of the most efficient on the market, iPads are pretty good tablets, and iPhones work great with both of those products.
You seem to be very enthusiastic about criticizing apple.
I just own an iPhone so I don’t think I can engage with you with all these critiques. I bought it because at that point in time, it was cheaper than a Samsung. I had concerns about privacy, and it seemed like apple had better control of their App Store and there was less crapware there.
I had tried a custom android rom before this (it must have been around 2013, cyanogenmod) but it was too early in development maybe, and it sucked. It might have been the phone I installed it on. At any rate, I gave up on custom roms for a bit.
My job uses iPhones for an industry specific dispatch software that does not use the cellular network. So I am glad Im familiar with iPhone software, though I wouldn’t have bought one just for this reason. They were using iPods for the software before that, but the iPods didn’t have replaceable batteries and had to be disposed of (which is a shame, they were much smaller)
My iphone is 5-6 years old now, I’ll buy something else when I have to. Probably something I can try lineageOS or whatever the new rom is.
I used to use a corer/slicer combo, but it was still just faster and easier to do the quarter and trim method.
At this point I’m just one more person on the pile but:
I used Android for years because I like open stuff, but iPhones are just straight-up better. There’s all kinds of weird broken stuff on Androids, things that don’t quite work or where the interface separating two parts of the device is a little awkward… my iPhone just does what it’s supposed to do. It’s hard to explain but there’s just a clear difference in the quality level of the software. They seem like they polished it until it was genuinely done, as opposed to just shipping the thing and moving on with something else. Also the photos are better (same thing – they clearly make it a priority). Also the security is much better, weirdly enough. I had to fight with the iPhone for quite a while trying to get a dashcam app, until I finally realized that the issue was that there was absolutely no way for an app to access the camera if it wasn’t the foreground app with the camera light on. Android? Fuckin’-a Mr. App you can watch this person sleeping, just make sure you ask about it when you’re first installed (and then refuse to install if the person says no).
Etc etc.
MacOS computers are pretty similar; good hardware, software isn’t perfect but mostly solid, BSD backend with lots of solid tooling. They just generally are high-quality and reliable.
I think mostly the reason is, they have this weird cultish following that means they can charge a high price for their stuff and don’t face constant pressure to make it a little crappier in hopefully-they-won’t-notice ways to save a buck. So, you pay a little premium but what you get is good.
