the point of protesting is the escalation. this is success.
The authorities wouldn’t send the National Guard if they thought they could just ignore you. So i’d say this is a success.
It’s really not
“Insurrectionists carrying foreign flags are attacking immigration enforcement officers, while one half of America’s political leadership has decided that border enforcement is evil,” Vice President JD Vance said in a post on X Saturday night.
Big yikes. “Insurrectionists”? Bloody hell.
Every accusation is an admission.
Conservatism was the original reactionary movement, and it essentially sought to restore the nobility within democracy, complete with the different rules applying to said ingroup. Modern conservatism only differing in the sense that its supporters really want to become part of said ingroup.
Could this be the start of the Second American Civil War?
Calm down Tim Poole
try buying gun and then likely second amendment
You don’t have the right, O you don’t have the right! (Actually you do)
Martial law incoming.
Anyone remember what this was from?
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”
That works until people the conservatives don’t like start arming up. Like Black Panthers.
Well then everyone the conservatives don’t like need to start arming up before they realize the gun control they always wanted exists, but only to keep “mental ill” people from buying them and the only things considered illnesses are things conservatives don’t like.
Yeah, But it was never intended to stop things from happening from the inside. Whoever ends up on the opposite side of the military in the end is going to lose.
It depends on how many people end up on the opposite side. Tens, hundreds, for sure. Thousands, likely. Tens of thousands, not so certain. Hundreds of thousands, I don’t know. If the army starts shooting to kill any significant numbers of Americans, things are going to get very interesting.
So glad I never joined the National Guard cause I would definitly refuse to go, and if forced, join the side of of the ones fighting ICE.
I hope this don’t turn to a civil war
The options at this point are 1: a civil war or 2: surrendering to the fascist regime.
I mean the Nazis aren’t going to go ohh my bad we should have another try at the election.
Well, we won’t call it that. Vietnam was techincally “a police action”, but we all know it was a war. This police action will get folks killed in an effort to take prisoners, which sure sound like a…
Also Nixon’s distraction from his own problems
Holy fuck. Some finally have the balls to stand up and fight and a bunch of you are all…this is wrong. Escalation and violence is not ok…or…but they have so many big guns.
Your country is run by a fucking dictator. Your own people are being forcefully removed from their homes and families and put in concentration camps.
Unbelievable.
Well, we always knew #RATM were right, but no one expected yet another playbook decades after this album was released in 1999. It all feels that unreal… 😔
“I liked them before they got all political” – Some Republican dumbass.
I can only assume they thought Bulls on Parade was about a family holiday to the beach.
The video for “Freedom” was the first time many in Gen X learned about AIM and Leonard Peltier.
RATM is half the reason for my political awareness and absolutely why I know about AIM (and that Val Kilmer movie but RATM is why I actually looked into it).
There was that Val Kilmer movie
If this turns into an American Tiananmen Square, you’re going to end up knocking a star off that flag.
On July 4, 2025, where nothing happened in Lafayette Square, Washington D.C.
It depends on whether we’re allowed to talk about it in 5 years.
Most of the people on this site that cheer this on also happen to be the ones who think that the Tiananmen Square massacre didn’t happen, and if it did then it was a good thing.
“Quick! The Gestapo is running into resistance, send in the SS!”
Threaten the 4th largest economy in the world with leverage you don’t really have. Encourage escalation tactics for illegal detainment of peoples under the jurisdiction and protection of the Constitution. Ignore the Constitution and normalize the absurd use of the term deportation. Cry about it on social media and then throw a fit and send troops to peaceful protests ( as per LAPD ).
Frail ideology.
“…The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear. Remember that. And know this, the day will come when all these skirmishes and battles, these moments of defiance will have flooded the banks of the Empire’s authority and then there will be one too many. One single thing will break the siege. Remember this. Try.*
-Karis Nemik, Andor
So beautifully written. Andor is the best tv of the decade.
I hope they’re scared
Someone get my NWA CD and boombox, we hitten the streets.
When I was seven, I learned a lesson from Cube and Eazy-E What was it again? Oh yeah, fuck the police
I was actually a teenager but the sentiment…
+1…The original boombox used tape cassettes and most with two for playing and recording. Don’t forget your roller skates too.
Throw some RATM in there too!
Could i interest you in a very loud WOOP WOOP. That’s the sound of the police. Or possibly a WOOP WOOP. That’s the sound of the beast.
I don’t get it
Why do you want to prevent ICE from deporting illegal immigrants?
Why do you want illegal immigrants to stay here so bad?
Because they’re revoking legal status from legal immigrants and arresting legal immigrants and its only a matter of time til they deport citizens too
The state defines what an “illegal immigrant” is. Why should I agree with their definition of an illegal immigrant is?
The Nazis were just rounding up illegal Jews. Why was it so bad that they rounded up illegal Jews?
The plantation owners just wanted to own Black people. Black people had no rights, so what’s the problem with owning them?
Do not conflate legality with morality.
Every study I’ve seen shows illegal immigrants to be a net positive to the economy, while at the same being responsible for fewer crimes than papered immigrants or regular citizens. I wonder why people are willing to go through such social pain and stupidity to attack them. I mean, aside from racism. We should be working on smoothing the way to citizenship, or at a minimum, legality. That would help address the exploitation that takes place (as you mentioned in another post). On a tangent, we really need to do something about universal health care, housing, and the shitty, hateful state of wages in the country while we are at it.
We have a myriad of fundamental problems in this country, illegal immigrants are just a distraction that get the low-information voters fired up and ignoring the real problems.
I think that universal healthcare would be the key to ending undocumented immigration, and more importantly, wage evasion by employers. It is simple: documented immigrants get free healthcare, the same as any citizen. This would allow the state(s) to track the workplace activity of immigrants, and in turn be able to collect taxes, enforce fair wages, and hold businesses accountable.
This also has the effect of allowing citizens to have equal job opportunities when compared to migrants, because both are paid the same. Companies will naturally turn to hiring citizens, simply because they are closer to home. Everyone who isn’t a ghoul wins.
Alright, I’ll bite.
Because I would much rather ICE spend its resources preventing IMs from entering the country, rather than rounding up IMs who have been living here peacefully for 20+ years.
Because—and I’m willing to debate the utility of this—a significant portion of our agricultural economy depends on IMs who will work below the standard of living legally required for our citizens.
Because the vast majority of IMs are just people seeking asylum from cartels and/or horrible dictatorial governments and are not a threat to the American way of life.
Because IMs by and large do not “steal” jobs from American workers but rather do jobs most Americans would never consider doing. See said issue with our agricultural sector.
Now, let’s hear your reasons for wanting to spend the immense amount of money necessary to find and deport these people. Because I’m sure your arguments are incredibly well thought out.
I would argue that instead of ICE, we should have a vastly expanded IRS to enforce regulations upon businesses. For example, every business is assigned state and federal accountants, who check that the books are legit. These accountants are regularly rotated by the nation, so that companies can’t establish “working” relationships with any given accountant, which reduces corruption.
This would increase the amount of money that government receives from the 1%, along with helping prevent wage theft or other criminal activities. Businesses, not migrants, are innately prone to corruption.
The large amount of foreign nationals being exploited due to their illegal status and working in unsafe underpaid jobs is something I’m against from a pro labor position.
The employees who hire and exploit them need to be punished. Who will do this job for the tiny wages? I guess nobody, the wages must go up. More expensive avocados is what we need to settle for, instead of exploiting desperate foreign nationals. There are no easy painless solutions here.
Maybe I am naive in thinking ICE is going after the criminal element that exists in the illegal immigrant community.
Maybe I am naive in thinking ICE is going after the criminal element that exists in the illegal immigrant community.
You are.
The large amount of foreign nationals being exploited due to their illegal status and working in unsafe underpaid jobs is something I’m against from a pro labor position.
Fine, but how does rounding them up and deporting them solve this problem?
The employees who hire and exploit them need to be punished.
Again, how do ICE strategies solve this problem?
Maybe I am naive in thinking ICE is going after the criminal element that exists in the illegal immigrant community.
You are. The criminal element in migrant communities is tiny, and the notion that ICE is prioritizing them is bupkis. ICE is sadly comprised mainly of American racists, who use their job titles as a shield for implementing their White nationalist agendas. These aren’t people who are doing what they claim to be doing—protecting our borders against illegal invaders—they’re just trying to keep America’s birth rate mostly White, because they’re scared, xenophobic assholes.
As an American, I fully oppose these douchebags. America is not a White nation. We’re a non-racial nation, made up of everyone, home to everyone, and better for it. Our best quality is the fact that we welcome everyone, and those amongst us who oppose that are the true anti-Americans. Our history is a shit-show, true; but our ideals are worth fighting for. And the people that are anti-immigration are pro-racism, pure and simple.
Because the current purge is rooted in racism, not legality. They’re deporting American citizens and people who are here legally as well without due process, blatantly violating the constitution which he swore to defend and uphold.
Trump wants to deport anyone he doesn’t like, which includes anyone that doesn’t like him. Make no mistake, he would deport half the country if he felt he could get away with it. He has no regard for the rule of law and has proven that time and again. What he is doing is tyranny and the real patriots are out there standing up against it.
