Zendaya was great in spiderman but she’s the absolute worst choice for chani. Her “too cool for school” sarcastic persona doesn’t fit with a primitive tribal religious fanatic at all.
She’s a sassy, rebellious New Yorker, when Chani is mature, strong and feminine AF. Just because they’re 15 doesn’t mean they’re supposed to be played like any Western “f u mom!” kid… Denis really dropped the ball there, but he’s more of visual director than a storyteller, I guess.
To non US people who aren’t exposed to the same celebrity overexposure (unless it’s by choice) and have no particular opinion on Zendaya, she’s ok. Haven’t seen part 2 though.
It’s not celebrity overexposure in my case. I like Zendaya, I’m not tired of her and would like to see her in more stuff. I just think she was the wrong actress to play chani.
I was raised in a deeply conservative fanatically religious culture and I put out a sarcastic and “too cool for school” energy a lot of the time. What do you think counterculture is? I remember in the movie she’s got a whole social circle of people who are on the same page as her.
Personally I think Zendaya plays Chani pretty well, and her character doesn’t feel out of place to me.
You had access to a counter culture, though. All the fremen know is other fremen and maybe the occasional harkkonen. I appreciate what you’re saying, but I still feel like it doesn’t seem organic in context.
Although the movies are better than the books, the actual story is spectacularly awful. Have you ever had someone try to explain it to you? It’s unhinged. And the book is so poorly written from a literary perspective. Dune is Twilight for Gen-X’ers.
Frank Herbert is such a narcissist he actually accused Star Wars of ripping him off.
This is just a sad take. The writing is brilliantly grounded in reality for a fantastical story. It’s fricken weird AF, but many of us are here for that. It’s not for everyone, and that’s okay if you don’t like it, but calling it poorly written is infantile.
I actually really like the story of Dune, but I kind of have to agree that the writing leaves a lot to be desired. The fact that Herbert constantly switches perspectives with no indication in the middle of chapters, or sometimes even in the middle of paragraphs, drives me up the wall. I almost couldn’t finish them because of that.
So, just some advice, avoid Tales of the Malazan Book of the Fallen at all costs. I’m totally okay with not being spoon fed every detail of what’s happening as I read, but that’s not for everyone either. I first read them when I was a teen some 30 years ago and never found it hard to keep track of anything. I was too eager to find out what was going to happen next! The whole story is flush with character nuance so I could usually grasp who was saying/thinking what once things got going
I agree. Really dumb stuff. Certainly not watching the Villeneuve movies for the plot. Cults, royalty, magic, psychic powers, people turning into worms, guiding star travel via ESP…geez
Ironic comment, since Dune’s story is supernatural nonsense written by a misogynistic homophobe who probably does think the Bible is the greatest book of all time.
I’d not looked into Frank before now, but I’ve read 2.5 of the dune books. It’s weird to see he was a self described conservative and libertarian. The whole dune story seems to mock everything he stands for politically. It’s like he was completely unaware of the power structures he was writing about exist across all US (and non-US) political parties.
You expressed surprise that Herbert is a rabid conservative. I pointed out that the book you claim to like is a celebration of fascism.
Yeah, but that isn’t why people like it.
Correct. People like Dune because it’s the biggest book they’ve read, not because they were paying attention to the prose or narrative quality of its insane plot.
The storyline is a fascism. Frank thought libertarianism would stop what he was writing about. He didn’t want fascism but wrote about it. The second book is mostly about Paul falling apart and dying. Even though he thought he could follow a perfect path to being a perfect leader.
I personally don’t care much about literary complexity. I find it interesting, and that’s all that matters to me. If you disagree, that’s fine too.
Zendaya was great in spiderman but she’s the absolute worst choice for chani. Her “too cool for school” sarcastic persona doesn’t fit with a primitive tribal religious fanatic at all.
She’s a sassy, rebellious New Yorker, when Chani is mature, strong and feminine AF. Just because they’re 15 doesn’t mean they’re supposed to be played like any Western “f u mom!” kid… Denis really dropped the ball there, but he’s more of visual director than a storyteller, I guess.
I’m pretty sure she’s from California? Unless you’re being metaphorical or something.
Since when does Spider-Man takes place in California?
They got confused and thought they were talking about actual Zendaya.
Since he found out he can web-sling from palm tree to palm tree.
To non US people who aren’t exposed to the same celebrity overexposure (unless it’s by choice) and have no particular opinion on Zendaya, she’s ok. Haven’t seen part 2 though.
It’s not celebrity overexposure in my case. I like Zendaya, I’m not tired of her and would like to see her in more stuff. I just think she was the wrong actress to play chani.
Isn’t Chani a non-believer in the movie, at least at first?
Even if she is, she was raised in the same culture as stilgar and the others
I was raised in a deeply conservative fanatically religious culture and I put out a sarcastic and “too cool for school” energy a lot of the time. What do you think counterculture is? I remember in the movie she’s got a whole social circle of people who are on the same page as her.
Personally I think Zendaya plays Chani pretty well, and her character doesn’t feel out of place to me.
You had access to a counter culture, though. All the fremen know is other fremen and maybe the occasional harkkonen. I appreciate what you’re saying, but I still feel like it doesn’t seem organic in context.
It’s a relief then that Dune is one of the dumbest fucking stories of all time and casting doesn’t matter.
Ō great maker, subsume this guy right here into the sands.
It seems like you really don’t like it. What makes you say that?
Although the movies are better than the books, the actual story is spectacularly awful. Have you ever had someone try to explain it to you? It’s unhinged. And the book is so poorly written from a literary perspective. Dune is Twilight for Gen-X’ers.
Frank Herbert is such a narcissist he actually accused Star Wars of ripping him off.
This is just a sad take. The writing is brilliantly grounded in reality for a fantastical story. It’s fricken weird AF, but many of us are here for that. It’s not for everyone, and that’s okay if you don’t like it, but calling it poorly written is infantile.
I actually really like the story of Dune, but I kind of have to agree that the writing leaves a lot to be desired. The fact that Herbert constantly switches perspectives with no indication in the middle of chapters, or sometimes even in the middle of paragraphs, drives me up the wall. I almost couldn’t finish them because of that.
So, just some advice, avoid Tales of the Malazan Book of the Fallen at all costs. I’m totally okay with not being spoon fed every detail of what’s happening as I read, but that’s not for everyone either. I first read them when I was a teen some 30 years ago and never found it hard to keep track of anything. I was too eager to find out what was going to happen next! The whole story is flush with character nuance so I could usually grasp who was saying/thinking what once things got going
I’ve noticed a lot of infantile and absurdly maximalist takes on Lemmy lately. it’s kind of souring me on the project.
People post bad takes on social media - the Lemmy project is clearly failed!
The Reddit spillover effect is noticable
the Human Project? understandable, really.
jesus christ i thought you said “marxist”, that sure changes the tone of your comment
If you think Dune is well-written, wait until you read a modern sci-fi novel. The shittiest space opera would probably blow your mind.
I have. I like em too. I don’t neglect what came before because there is something new.
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Don’t you mean boomers. Dune was published in 1965.
Yes, but the book also became really popular among the Gen X crowd, whose hunger for sci fi was fueled by things like Star Wars.
I agree. Really dumb stuff. Certainly not watching the Villeneuve movies for the plot. Cults, royalty, magic, psychic powers, people turning into worms, guiding star travel via ESP…geez
I’m curious what you think the greatest story ever is. I hope it’s not The Bible.
Ironic comment, since Dune’s story is supernatural nonsense written by a misogynistic homophobe who probably does think the Bible is the greatest book of all time.
I’d not looked into Frank before now, but I’ve read 2.5 of the dune books. It’s weird to see he was a self described conservative and libertarian. The whole dune story seems to mock everything he stands for politically. It’s like he was completely unaware of the power structures he was writing about exist across all US (and non-US) political parties.
The story glorifies a eugenically engineered monarchy and waxes poetic about the evils of homosexuality.
Yeah, but that isn’t why people like it. Like Harry potter and Wizarding world of the transphobe.
You expressed surprise that Herbert is a rabid conservative. I pointed out that the book you claim to like is a celebration of fascism.
Correct. People like Dune because it’s the biggest book they’ve read, not because they were paying attention to the prose or narrative quality of its insane plot.
The storyline is a fascism. Frank thought libertarianism would stop what he was writing about. He didn’t want fascism but wrote about it. The second book is mostly about Paul falling apart and dying. Even though he thought he could follow a perfect path to being a perfect leader.
I personally don’t care much about literary complexity. I find it interesting, and that’s all that matters to me. If you disagree, that’s fine too.