I know we’ve been crossing a lot of lines over the last several months but this seems like a big one.
They ALL seem like big ones, but then we get over and shift that much further into authoritarianism.
It’s called Hypernormalisation, and Adam Curtis did an interesting documentary about it back in 2016ish
So…how close are we to that point where other countries open their doors to us under asylum laws? I mean, Trump’s siccing the military on people and it’s not even 6 months into his term yet.
There exist countries that have already offered safe haven/asylum to US’ians… Especially to LGBTQ.
Links, please? I haven’t seen anything suggesting that, yet.
I’m probably OK. I’m straight. I’m White. Though I am agnostic and don’t buy the State Religion behind Project 2025.
My wife, however, is Black, Bisexual, and Pagan, four strikes, and now I’m a race traitor for having married her, so there’s my strike.
Just to point out it doesn’t matter how white you are if you say something they don’t agree with.
Or do something they don’t agree with. Like marrying a Black bisexual pagan woman.
Or even look at them wrong.
That’s my type!
100% gamer chick too. I’m lucky to have her, and even as we check out girls together, I just look, because I know I have a good girl at home. :)
I mean, take a good look at Luigi and how hard they’re trying to blame him. You don’t get much more white than Italian. Maybe Scottish, but it’s close.
Ask a white supremacist if Italians are white
There is a lot of anti-Italian sentiment. Especially South Italian, where folks start looking much darker in skin
I mean, I actually think it is very possible to be more white than Italians—they weren’t even considered white in America until the last 100 years or so.
Yes, this. I’m quite sure if I ventured back to the place where I grew up I could find more than a few people that would consider Italians as non-white.
Which is kind of funny when I think about the casual racism that was thrown around by my Italian immigrant Grandmother when I was a kid.
You forgot about the discrimination of Italians in America.
Just like US was no fan of Irish immigrants either.
Really just pick a country and at some point the US has probably discriminated against people from there.
Just go North. That was key in slavery and Vietnam. And today.
My google-fu hasn’t up to this point. In fact, I get lots of results saying that Americans are not welcome as asylum seekers in my googling. Your single link only shows places that take American immigrants, not places welcoming American refugees. In fact, New Zealand is suffering from a Conservative-inflicted recession that is making things difficult for immigrants and natives alike, and Australia has some serious restrictions on immigrants (a close friend of mine did that route and barely made the cut). And Canada? Despite a victory for the Liberal Party and ‘elbows up’ regarding American rhetoric, they still have lots of people angry about how immigration has been handled.
If you actually have links to help get victimised people out of the USA, maybe instead of ‘why don’t u google it urself’, maybe post those links. That’s FAR more helpful than the whole ‘go do it urself!’ response. :)
From a non- paywall article about Hannah Kreager:
Her pending claim for protection in the Great White North could be a landmark case, the American believes.
‘I’m here in Canada with a terrific lawyer taking up my unprecedented case: seeking asylum from the United States of America on the grounds of violation of human rights,’ she posted online.
‘My case is a precedent-setting one, and if successful, could make asylum for trans people in the U.S. possible.’
I hope she’s successful. The Safe Third Country agreement needs to be ended. Until that time, the path to claiming refuge status from the US will be extremely expensive and onerous and not likely to be successful. The canadian government needs to be called out on their hypocrisy and refusal to ‘rock the boat’ by ending it.
I don’t know if the Safe Third Country agreement would apply to this, since the US wouldn’t be the Third Country. Wouldn’t that only apply if she went from somewhere else in the world to the US and then to Canada. She’s from the US, not from somewhere else coming to Canada via the US. I think if it did she would’ve been deported immediately.
But yeah ending the Safe Third Country agreement needs to be a priority. They’re sending people to a gulag down there FFS, it’s definitely not a safe third country for asylum seekers by any stretch of the imagination.
You’re right, the STCA does not apply to US citizens. But as long as the US is considered “safe”, refugee claims are going to be impossible to argue.
Thanks for these. They don’t make it clear that Canada is a valid destination for LGBTQ+ folks to seek asylum from, but they do indicate that there is discussion in Canada. Have to see how the referenced cases go, though.
I think there is a gross overestimation of the support that is available. I’ve seen a lot of bad articles copying and pasting different parts of immigration policy and programs but without understanding how it works as a whole.
Like, Canada has a website about helping LGBTQI+ refugees ( https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/refugees/about-refugee-system/2slgbtqi-plus.html ) and it includes partnerships with groups like Rainbow Railroad who can refer people in need of resettlement to the refugee process.
But if you only look at that and fail to consider the safe third country agreement, you’re giving false hope.
Taking in refugees is not very popular at the moment.
Bullshit. It is popular.
But the two sects of the big one party are both anti people
Just like the 1930s. By the time countries will open their doors to the oppressed in the USA, we’ll be rolling our own ovens here.
Happening already. US trans people are coming to Canada and applying for asylum now.
How lengthy is the process?
No one has been granted refugee status on the grounds yet, so it’s not possible to say. People are immigrating by other means.
The Safe Third Country agreement is a major barrier and must be dropped, but that’s not going to happen: despite all the warm and fuzzy talk the give has had during the previous trump admin and the current, the gov continues to fight challenges to the agreement in court: https://ccrweb.ca/en/safe-third-country
If the Marines want to uphold their oaths, they’ll start fighting the cops.
I haven’t met a marine that doesn’t support Trump, soooo…
But Smedly Butler was pretty clear and they worship him
This is key to swaying Marines.
The republican brain knows no bounds when it comes to dissonance.
So for all the “The US military will not take illegal orders from Donald Trump!” crowd, there’s your answer.
For years before Trump came along, people were ragging on the military and law enforcement for being low-IQ, over-armored people who liked the power trip of essentially playing a live game of Call of Duty and being able to project their power onto others. What makes you think that changed?
Now those same low-IQ people who are acting like it’s a live game of COD get to shoot people they don’t like with impunity. You think they’re gonna abandon Trump? LOLOLOL. He just gave them the opportunity to live their dream. They get to fire into large crowds and treat every invasion of some random guy’s home like a Seal-Team-Six mission where they’re going after Osama Bin Laden himself. They’re not gonna abandon Trump. They’ll make the MAGA hat an official part of the uniform before that happens.
They might abandon him when people start shooting back. That’s what it will take
He’s already going after them. Plenty of Trump supporters have been reported as being shocked and surprised when they’re the ones that were put in handcuffs, or lost their jobs, or saw their spouses deported. It has led to virtually no change in sentiment among the Trump base.
Heck, how many videos were posted during the COVID pandemic of people literally praising Trump and claiming it’s all a hoax as they were taking their dying breaths?
These people will praise Trump’s name while staring down the bullet he ordered to be fired at them.
I don’t mean to sound cynical, but as the saying goes, if I had a nickel for every time I heard “That is the line in the sand! That is what it will take to get MAGA to abandon him!”, my unborn grandkids would never have to work a day in their lives.
You’re right, it’s a cult by every measure. I just think there are levels. There’s the “I will praise Trump as he strangles me to death” type people. But there are also the “I vote R because I like guns” or “I’m against abortion.” A lot of people do end up voting on a single issue or a select few. I think being shot at might make those people reconsider.
I think being shot at might make those people reconsider.
I’d like to think so too. You know, common sense and all that. Unfortunately, evidence seems to point in the opposite direction.
I hate that I have to agree with you
Any marine who follows this order is a traitor to the United States.
Guess 700 Marines are about to be traitors to the United States.
Fascism at work.
The saying “once in a lifetime events” needs to be changed to “well 5mins ago”
Just leave a box of red crayons on the ground and you’ll be safe.
What’s with all these crayon memes?
Long running military in joke is that Marines are crayon eaters
Coming soon to a city near you.
The mass shootings will begin.
They do this without controversy and yet when I, Antifa President John Antifa, deploy the HRT Super Soldiers, suddenly antifa is the villains?
We are so very fucked
I believe I’ll get criticized for this, but here I go.
Public protests need to disappear and go underground. The news won’t report accurately, at least not in America, and protests are EXACTLY what Trump et.al. are wanting.
Get out your Tor browsers everyone and get organized. We need leaders and a plan.
So here’s my main critique: tor browsers and getting organised, as you put it, is not an alternative. The only way of organising at scale at the moment is protest. They could be better executed, they could be more effective, they should be refined for sure. But nixing protest because it’s what the enemy expects is like fighting with both arms tied behind your back for fear of damaging your opponent.
They don’t want protests, they’re just expecting them, because it’s all that can be done at scale.
Resistance should include private communication, small operations, protests and everything in between. ALL levers should be pulled, including mass protest.Well I disagree. I believe it’s not what they expect, it’s what they want. They are being deliberately provocative to get a reaction, so they may respond. Which they are currently doing.
Not only that, but we are no longer talking about important policy and legal attacks on freedom.
Not only that, but any looting or violence will be amplified, and any police or military abuses will be diminished (by the media). The rubber bullet impact photos aren’t disseminated, the looting of an apple store is, or a shoe store, or any fire.
The targeted feedback we receive (through Lemmy and other social media) makes us feel like we’re accomplishing something, but it’s the social change equivalent of junk food. Like carbon credits, it’s not addressing the problem, it just makes us feel better.
Only my opinion, of course.
So the answer is not to react? Then they will just continue to do fascist shit. It’s not a win for them if we resist. It’s just not.
Read my first comment
Yep - done.
