An Israeli official told the Post: “We presented the American administration with evidence of Iran’s breakthrough toward a nuclear bomb. There was full and complete coordination with the Americans.”

Iran’s armed forces spokesperson accused Israel of carrying out attacks against Iran with US support.

This comes after Secretary of State Marco Rubio said in a statement, "Tonight, Israel took unilateral action against Iran. We are not involved in strikes against Iran and our top priority is protecting American forces in the region.

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    Because the problem with Israel is our congress. They are owned by them. Even if Biden has come out strongly against israel. The Congress would just override him. Biden was never a good politician. But on top of that he had nothing but shit options available to him. I still think he should have stood up and forced Congress to go against him. But current events in Israel were never going to be stopped by a presidential election.

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      I don’t buy that, the executive is entirely in control of that relationship by law, even real, non-Trumpian law. He could veto anything congress wanted to put up against him if he had truly wanted to do anything. Hell, they said they were doing things that they never even tried to do, let alone going against Congress with tougher measures like cutting off arms shipments. They didn’t actually do the slightest amount of pushback except for announcing false “negotiations”.

      If that Congress was in thrall to Israel, the executive was bought and paid for.

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        I suggest you read up on what a veto proof majority is. Literally they could stop and override his veto on just about anything regarding israel. And best of all it doesn’t care if you buy it or not. It simply exists. All we can do is acknowledge it and take it into account.

        The only reason Trump is able to do any of the things he’s currently doing. Is because he has the support of far too much of the Judiciary and the majority of the legislature.

        Deny all you like. While I sympathize with a lot of you, and think you had good intentions. You were played like fools and that is just a simple fact. Something that we should remember and try to do better about in the future. And the first step on that path is to acknowledge you are manipulated.

        We have our work cut out for us. We have a whole legislature and Judiciary to replace before replacing the president means anything.

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          Just to be clear, I am not a Trump voter, I’m a third party watching the carnage from the outside.

          Yes, they could have gotten a supermajority together and overrode the veto, but that would have been highly unlikely, given how often that’s ever occurred. And by not buying it, I’m saying that they could have done what they said they did and more, but simply didn’t regardless of what might have happened in Congress. They didn’t even do the small amount they said they were doing that didn’t get called out by any large amount of representatives.

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            It’s occurred several times in my life time. And if any issue would have seen another. It would be Israel. Take it from someone who has lived here 50 years and isn’t a third party.

            I’m not here to defend biden. He absolutely could and should have done more. I’m just here to call out the people attacking the Democrats for things that were largely out of their control in that presidential election. Only succeeding at helping to get the actual fascist into office. Not that Democrats didn’t contribute to that plenty on their own as well.

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            Just to be clear, I am not a Trump voter, I’m a third party watching the carnage from the outside.

            Well feel free to help whenever then

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              When you get your underground railroad rolling to get the handmaids out, I’ll be here. Pretty hard to get excited about helping when your own countrymen can’t be arsed to do anything except slacktivise on Farcebook.

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                Your own countrymen are running against this insane chaos and could use a vote, if you’re not too busy.

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            I live in a red state. I’ll vote for anyone that stands a chance of keeping a Republican out of office. That’s just basic harm reduction. And yes that would theoretically include even a CIA democrat. But the joke’s on you. Republicans largely run unopposed here.

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                Unopposed. There are no thirds. I will take one less Republican in office over virtue signaling any day anyhow.

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                    I would get more accomplished if I went to our fascist Governor’s residence and took a shit on his doorstep.

                    That’s literally privileged blue state leftist talk. Is writing in Joseph Dejacque going to return the rights my SO, my mother, my sister, and my nieces all lost? Is writing someone in going to flip the state legislature to actually get it to implement the ballot initiatives citizens here pass? Is it anything but the definition of empty virtue signaling? It’s like starving, seeing a half eaten hamburger in the trash. Going, I could eat it to relieve my hunger. But no, I will let the fresh imaginary hotdog sustain me.

                    Don’t get me wrong, under the right circumstances write-ins can get someone like Mukowski elected. But that’s the exception not the rule, and requires someone write-in worthy running to boot. As an anarchist I’d like to see nearly all of them run from office however. Till then I’ll fight the fascists with any effective means at hand. Though it must be nice to be able to be choosy. Unfortunately it rarely coincides with self awareness.

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        They didn’t actually do the slightest amount of pushback

        You mean break the law? Yeah why didn’t he do that. Everyone does it.

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      Biden is literally the top AIPAC recipient. There was nobody more owned by Israel than Biden. Biden basically made his entire career batting for Israel and siding with Republicans.

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      Biden was never a good politician.

      The dude was there for fifty years and became President. That’s a helluva high bar for being a good politician.

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        Ascending a completely corrupt system does not make someone good. Good at ascending the system. But that’s a different thing.

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          Okay then who is a good politician? It can’t just be in terms of “positions held” because that’s only a small part of politics.

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            Here’s a hint I’m an anarchist so generally not anyone above mayor. But seriously, Biden who dismissed Anita hill, who voted against busing Etc. I think he gets a lot of flack for things he has no control over. And in fact I’m one of the people that’s been voting you up here. But let’s not kid ourselves into pretending he was some really good guy/ politician at that level. That would nearly be an impossibility.

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              Well fair enough, I guess being a good politician itself is against the anarchist code. And if he had not become Obama’s VP and grown so much through that relationship, I’d probably just agree with you and move on. But I think he really did learn a lot from Obama and changed a lot of his attitudes. HIs administration did a lot of amazing things, not least of which was the money for renewables, amongst other things. I think his time was up and he should have not had any designs on a second term, but all in all, I think he did a good job the last 20 years or so of his politicking.

              Of course around here there’s only one aspect to him and we know what that is and how we all feel about it.

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                Well I don’t think it’s impossible to be a good politician. But I don’t think politician should be a career path. And more that politics should be local and hierarchically flat. Once you start having middle managers etc. Those above them become far too insulated.

                You will always have people falling into leadership roles. And there’s nothing wrong with that. But they need to be close to the people they lead and answerable to them.

                And I can agree that over the last decade plus Biden has had a good amount of growth as a person. Which is always a good thing. He and most Democrats are unfortunately still highly inadequate for what’s needed to be done. But growth is always good.