Nice. Iran has the right to defend itself.
Iran also should have the right to chose their own leaders. But they don’t. Which is too bad. If they weren’t stuck with a Supreme Dictator making their decisions then they wouldn’t even need to be defending themselves right now.
I would include Nice, but I agree with that.
Israel came in and started an act of war. If it was flipped, news would be screaming about Iran being a warmonger.
Iran’s current regime has committed many crimes, while I hate them, I also hate Israel who’s committing an active genocide. Israel is a foreign entity, Iran is not. Today its Iran, tomorrow its some other country.
Esh
iran has the right to get fucked.
Well, Iran has the right to defend itself
I’m no Israel supporter but fuck the IRGC. I hope Iranians can at least get a regime change out of this. Death to khamenei and death to all the IRGC leadership. I hope they all become kotlets.
I mean, fuck Hamas too. They’re far right fundamentalists. But fuck Israel so much harder. And for the time being the enemy of my enemy, etc.
You are an Israel supporter.
Enough with two sides team based simplistic sense of geopolitics. Israel is a warmongering aggressor state who is attacking Iran, an autocratic theocracy that commits crimes on its own people on a regular basis. There is no reason two things can not be true and terrible at the same time.
The biggest amount of suffering is because of the western imposed sanctions on Iran. Your are supporting another regime change like the previous Shah which only serves Western purposes.
The biggest amount of suffering is because of the western imposed sanctions on Iran
Nope. 99% of the suffering is because of the Supreme Dictator
Your are supporting another regime change like the previous Shah which only serves Western purposes.
Nope. I want Iran to be able to chose their own leaders. To be thinking that Iranians aren’t good enough people to deserve freedom and basic human rights sounds a bit racist to me.
Have you any idea on the internal situation in Iran? Talk to any Iranian, you will learn of things. Even before the western sanctions the people suffered. This idea of us vs them crap and everything is solely the fault of western influence is insulting to anyone from the region.
I don’t think the practice of shooting shotguns into crowds from rooftops was something caused by western sanctions for example.
Absolutely not. Iranians are celebrating the death of some of those killed in the strike.
Israelis are celebrating the Iranian strikes on Tel Aviv.
This is you.
No, I mean their literally celebrating that some of the fuckers were killed who contributed to repressing the hijab protests
Go to YouTube and search any video about Iran and watch it. Check what women are wearing. Come back then.
Let’s hope for the same in Israel. Both need it badly.
“I’m no Nazi Germany supporter, but fuck the British Empire. I hope the British can at least get a regime change out of this. Death to the King and to all the British leadership. I hope they all become beef Wellington”
- bzz after the battle of Dunkirk.
So israel has free reign to continue genocide,ethenic cleansing and opressing palestinian?
I don’t like the iranian regime. I hope israel stop it terrorism and agression then iranian change the regime by themselves
Nobody said that.
Everybody saying it or not don’t change that it’s a fact what israel real intention is
So why are you putting words in other people’s mouths? So you have something to argue against that wasn’t even brought up earlier?
I didn’t put anything to your mouth. I just repeated what you say with different words
The title suggest that Israel’s bombing in the first place was New Hope?
what do you think they were hoping for?
As always, the article primarily gives the view as seen from Israel, Tel Aviv; But where is the view from Iran?
You can’t get a good view of the bombing of Tel Aviv all the way from Iran.
Probably Tehran
You haven’t seen people singing from their balconies during the night time: “death to khamenei!”, have you?
That’s the view from Iran. Do you accept the reality though… 💁
Yes. Iranians hate their government and want regime change, it’s dubious wether this will help. Most likely it will be used by the regime for more crackdowns and cheap propaganda.
It is dubious wether bombing from afar can even achieve the stated goal (stopping the nuclear program). Hoping it will somehow magically bring about regime change is a stretch.
You’re downvoted but you’re correct. Iranians hate their government (rightfully so, it’s a repressive religious extremist police state) and will hopefully use the chance of a weakened Khamenei to finally overthrow the mullahs.
Israel killing civilians will not make iranians turn against the regime Even gaza with a lot more desperate people the protests against hamas are very low
I just hope Israel’s policy of not caring about collateral damage doesn’t backfire here. They may hate their leaders, but seeing family and friends killed will solidify them against Israel.
One wonders if that’s the intention, like with Gaza and Hamas, people are driven to extremism by extreme circumstances and Israel at every step stopped anything but hamas from power to help themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVZ_I-bmVCw
More available if you go looking.
I didn’t see any interceptions. Just flak going off hitting nothing but air.
From the river to the sea.
Shocking. Who’d have guessed that this could happen?
Oh man it’s gonna be a good day when Israel falls.
This website is collectively completely deluded. Every thread on this topic I see people (I’m assuming tankies and/or actual Hamas supporters) fantasizing about Iran destroying Israel with is… just laughable from an objective PoV.
I despise the Israeli government but regardless of my feelings towards them, their military is so much more advanced than Iran’s, it’s not even comparable. And they have the backstop of a US carrier group, in case something does go wrong.
Unfortunately it’s all feelings and no facts on this website. Makes it really hard to actually engage with people.
This website
You realize Lemmy is a network of federated servers right? Like, I’m not on the same website as you but you’re reading my message.
A lot of people don’t, they just know it’s where to go when you get fed up with reddit
I know nothing about defense and everything I learned, I did so at NCD, but doesn’t Iran have like 88 million people and Israel just 9 million, and Iran has like six times Israel’s active personnel? Iirc they’re one of the largest armies in ME.
Then again, just by sheer numbers Russia was supposed to overrun Ukraine, 1M dead later and they’re still where they started plus few towns charred to the bone.
Perhaps this map will help:
To get from Iran to Israel, the Iranian soldiers would have to cross Iraq (and Jordan) or Syria, both very unfriendly countries full of mountainous terrain. Not a viable ground invasion whatsoever!
Iran has 82 million inhabitants.
The amount of people willing to die for this regime is much much smaller. 16% are Azerí, 10% Kurds and 2% Balochi, all groups who would rather die than fight for the IRI. Not that this would stop the IRI from pressing 15 year olds into service, but there wouldn’t be many volunteers.
You are delusional that most iranians won’t defend their country just because the regime is evil
Just listed you 3 major groups who do not see themselves as Iranian, because the country doesn’t do that either.
Yes sure they will side with Israel literally indiscriminately killing Iranians regardless on how they feel about the Iranian nationality . This is so stupid
This isn’t about siding with anyone. You’re putting words in my mouth. I never said the majority would not take up arms, I said there are groups who are ikely not to pick up arms.
There is no Iranian nationality, there is a core of Persian Iranians, who are considered the only Iranians and then there are peripheral groups. Those groups neither feel Iranian, nor do they like the central government.
They don’t have to like the Iranian government to want to fight against Israel attacking them
true. there was almost certainly a lot of inside help getting attack drones near the sites hit on Friday.
There was aways collaborators and traitors in every war and conflict
By comparison, a large amount of Israelis are ultra-religious nutjobs that refuse to join their army. And of course many of them have european and american passports and houses in the west to flee to. Colonialism pays. Iran has the right on their side, their people will certainly put their backs into it to a greater degree than Israel.
Iran has many remote areas that are populated. Their military equipment is decades behind, and Israel gets all their equipment from the US.
The comparison here is very stark; in a single strike Israel managed to cripple Iran’s nuclear program, kill a lot of leadership that has been around since their revolution, and completely eradicate all of their radar and early warning systems on the West side of the country.
The best response Iran has? Just over 100 drones. Most of them got shot down before they even reached Israel.
Israel gets a free pass on bullying anyone they see fit in the Middle East.
And by “bullying anyone” you mean active countermeasures against the party, which FOR YEARS has been suggesting to wipe the country off the globe, and was aiming to create nuclear weapons just for that.
How “convenient” of you to skip the public death wishes before being netralized. 💁
/S
1M dead
That is an extremely implausible number. Where in the world did you hear it?
Ukraine regularly reports Russian casualties and destroyed equipment. The Russian casualty number ticked over 1M a few days ago. I’m guessing ‘casualty’ got lost in translation at some point and turned into ‘killed’. I do see people making this mistake a lot with casualties, which is both killed and wounded.
You can’t believe any side 100% when it come to casualities
So the source is Ukraine? That does not seem like a particularly reliable source for this, particularly given some of the impossibly high numbers present on that graph.
Iran’s standing forces are kind of irrelevant without a way to get them to Israel.
The regime will only have a chance to fsll if israel is the one sending on ground troops
You can’t trust any number when it come to conflicts but will minimize the number of their casualities and overexageratr thr casuality of the other side
They didn’t say Iran was going to singlehandedly do it
Realistically, it well be climate change that does them in, not a military conflict.
Yeah the entire discourse about this conflict here is even more stupider than on reddit
It’s not just their total disconnect from history (were they born yesterday?), it’s their translating scorn for Israel’s actions in the region to mean that Israel’s opponents must be the good guys.
Iran has been under the control of two different mullahs for the last 45 years. Just because the Shah was bad doesn’t make the Ayatollahs good.
Hamas and Hezbollah are literally terrorist organizations, and Hamas holds onto power in Gaza by oppression and violence. If they both weren’t getting massive support from Iran, there might be a negotiating partner for Israel in Palestine like Arafat was.
Without Iran’s support, Russia would be failing much faster in Ukraine as well.
Nelson Mandela was literally a terrorist too.
Israel is literally a terrorist country.
“terrorist organizations” by the designation of countries who currently commit or support the committment of genocide. Of course states and their militaries committing acts of terror somehow don’t end in a designation as “terrorist organizations”
Meanwhile Israel is arming gangs with ISIS ties in Gaza to pillage humanitarian aid, while the Hamas “terrorists” try to defend that aid.
However none of the states that designate Hamas as “terrorist organization” will give Israel consequences for being a “terrorist supporter” despite arming “terrorists” with ISIS ties. ISIS that has committed terror attacks in the countries allied to Israel, which neither Hamas nor Hezbollah have done.
literal terrorist
Yeah that isn’t the flex you think it is
Maybe you can explain what you thought the flex was.
I don’t debate Zionists, they don’t argue in good faith.
Hypocrisy suits you.
Hypocrisy is supporting terrorist Israel
I don’t believe anyone is saying Iran is capable of doing it, just that it’d be a good day when it finally does happen.
Israel has all the best toys from their sugar-daddy America. Of course a handful of out-dated Iranian drones won’t do shit.
In the last 24 hours I had the pleasure of interacting with multiple users who are 100% sure Iran is stronger than Israel.
Unfortunately it’s all feelings and no facts on this website.
Which social website do you know that is all facts and no feelings, please tell me, I wanna move there. And make it decentralized too, so no bozo can buy it tomorrow and make it shit too.
PS: got some quotes from reddit that show what people who think just like you think of other websites:
DigitalDash56 [score hidden] 2 minutes ago
Twitter is funny. Apparently Tel Aviv is smoldering crater and the state of Israel is a mere hours from collapsing
[–]tigernike1 [score hidden] a minute ago
That’s what Reddit says about Iran. Neither are true.
Look man, people just want to experience a little optimism and fantasize about good things happening in the world. We don’t care if it is realistic or not. It keeps hope alive.
Better than being a hopeless doomer about everything.
Better than being a hopeless doomer about everything.
How can any change happen if there is only a limited willingness to perveive reality and analyze it?
By allowing people to relieve some stress and engage in a little revolutionary optimism every now and then, even if it is far fetched and not realistic, so that people can retain their mental health and remember what it feels like to actually have hope about something in this shithole of a world we find ourselves.
You can’t change anything if you don’t have hope for a brighter future. This builds hope, even if it has to reach for it.
Not everything at every waking moment needs to be analyzed in depth. At this current moment, none of us could affect the outcome of this situation anyway, so let people fantasize.
Magical thinking won’t save us.
it’s an excuse for extremists to indulge conspiracy fantasies and hate jews openly
You don’t have to be an extremist to hate them…
Fuck Israel.
Its crazy right? I’m so tired of reddit alternatives being taken over by lunatics. So tired man.
Plenty of lunatics on Reddit though too.
Go back to r/worldnews
You fail to realize all of the countries Israel has been attacking working together, like how Germany fell. It’s just a matter of time.
Anyways. You’re free to leave.
Oh sure, Iran is super popular in the region. I’m sure all their allies will be riding to their defense any day now.
Oh don’t get me wrong. Fuck Iran. But fuck Israel too. They have been attacking everybody around them.
The only valid critisism of iran is the regime oppresing it’s people. Iran did nothing wrong to other
Said the one supporting a terrorist state oppresing palestinians for 57 years
Yeh sure israel suppoter
I don’t support Israel you absolute weirdo.
To whom?
To all of their victims.
I doubt they can beat the US, but I hope Iran wins.
Terrorists like Israel need to be eliminated.
It’s really hard to think china won’t intervene for economical interests
Give me whatever it is you’re smoking cause it’s probably a helluva drug.
Lemmy straight up cheering theocratic terrorists
Israel, Iran, or the US?
Yes.
We’re not cheering for Israel
The Iranian regime is fucking awful, the Israeli one is just even more awful such that Iran still seem like the good guys in comparison. Its like two assholes fighting, they’re both assholes but one clearly started it.
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Most likely a fucking idiot.
Yeah it’s crazy how just last year Iranian girls were being raped the Iran’s government and now these trolls are acting as if Iran is better than Israel lmao.
Israel been raping palestinians girls since it’s creation
Genocide denier
Brainwashed dumb fuck
Lol you’re going to have to be more specific than that, it just sounds like you don’t like Muslims
I’d rather prefer both sides losing.
And then a proper democratic revolution on both sides again.
Only both of those? Shouldn’t the united snake and china both lose too?
Now do Russia and Ukraine
Yes please! I can’t stand either regime.
Do you really want Iran to have nukes though?
Just because Israel are horrible, doesn’t automatically make the people they’re fighting the good guys.
Honestly no but if I lived in a country or bloc without nukes myself I’d want my government to get them because its the only way to not get randomly regime changed whenever the US, UK or Russia feels like it. Totally understandable why they would want them.
Funny how liberals never say this about Ukraine and Russia. It’s only when non-whites fight back that they start bloviating about “both sides bad”
Funny how tankies always think “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. They have no capacity for nuance.
All your comments ahow that you have no nuance either
Feel free to call out these comments when you encounter them and provide nuance. I will keep trying to do the same :)
Sorry i mistaken you for another user
Sure, right here, where you’ve displayed no nuance at all.
Fair! I was following your example though :)
Well I never said that, so you’re just straw-manning because you can’t address what I actually said.
And again, funny how this “capacity for nuance” didn’t come out for Ukraine, only for the non-white country. Almost like liberals are ultimately just white supremacists.
“non-whites fight back” is an interesting way to describe the fucked up, nuke happy, Ayatollah regime that’s plaguing Iran.
Imagine thinking this was remotely similar to Ukraine and Russia.
Don’t worry, I understand that - while it may seems to be an analogous situation on the surface - Ukraine a White country and Iran is not, and to Western liberals, that makes all the difference in the world.
Was Iran actually producing nuclear weapons?
Haleu fuel is pretty common that’s enriched up to about 20%. Highly enriched fuel is still used for nuclear power on aircraft carriers that use 93% enriched U235.
Iran is definitely just trying to make weapons but wanted to at least give some examples of higher enriched fuels
Being that we know Iran sells weapons to Russia, I wonder where it would be cheaper to produce weapons. Would it be cheaper for Russia to pay to have certain things created elsewhere or in Russia. We know a lot of Russia’s weapons in the past were built in what now is Ukraine. Examples would be their Aircraft Carriers, destroyers, etc. Hell one of their main Aircraft Carriers was named Kiev
Every credible comment I’ve read says they’re in the process of developing them, the only group who says otherwise is Iran themselves.
They havent been in the process of developing them. They have been enriching Uranium to the level needed for developing a nuclear weapon.
Iran has always been “close” to develop nuclear weapons over the past years, to ensure that it can do so to defend itself in the case of an attack. Now with Israels unprecedented attack, it is more likely that Iran sees the need to actually develop a nuke to protect its existence.
Israel knows this and keeps pushing to quickly get the US involved beyond a point of no return and fight the war against Iran for them.
They have been enriching Uranium to the level needed for developing a nuclear weapon.
Isn’t that part of the process though?
It is a prerequirement.
If you produce thick steel sheets, that is a requirement to build tanks, but it doesnt mean you are building tanks.
Now if you start welding those sheets together in a tank shape, while making all the other stuff that you find in a tank, now you are building a tank.
So if Iran starts building specific parts for nukes and processing the enriched Uranium in a way that is suitable for making a warhead, that would be building a nuke.
So if Iran starts building specific parts for nukes and processing the enriched Uranium in a way that is suitable for making a warhead, that would be building a nuke.
Which is precisely what they’re doing, unless you actually believe they want that level of enrichment for a power plant.
Israels attack follows a report from the IEAE stating that Iran has likely started the race to a bomb. They (Iran) have also recently expelled UN oversight from their enrichment sites.
I’m not defending Israel but what does that look like to you? Sure seems like for some people their hatred for Israel is clouding their objective judgement.
Israels attack follows a report from the IEAE
And that report follows a document leak showing the IEAE actively passing on confidential reports from Iran directly to Israel.
From all available intelligence, no. They clearly have a nuclear weapons program (which are insanely huge to begin with) but there has never been a measured test, and no evidence of enriched uranium at a high enough purity to be weaponized.
It’s insanely hard work to created weaponized enriched uranium. With the sanctions Iran has had for decades it would be next to impossible for them to get all the stuff they need to create it on their own.
Hasn’t Iran a religious edict stating they cannot build or use nukes? We could be in a iraki WMD phase again (expecting Powell’s jar to appear any moment now).
Most definitely. I want every country on Earth to have their own nuclear weapons. It’s the ultimate deterrent.
You want 195 countries to have nukes?
Then, it’s just a matter of time until a bug in some software or a crazy leader that was or wasn’t elected lead to the worst case.
Crazy leaders like netenysho and trump have them
And that’s a reason to give them to 193 other potential crazy leaders, too?
Either that or all country get rid of their nuclear weapons
Either we kill our species or we complete an almost impossible task…?
That is acceptable. Either we’ll enter great times, or we will no longer be capable of understanding what good times are. Both sound good to me.
Browsing Lemmy feels more and more like listening to people in a crack house discussing global politics.
To be fair, I only comment when I’m feeling sleepy.
Please stop ad go sleep instead.
If the country who drop two has it, why not?
given how the US lost so many recent wars, I wouldn’t consider the US a military power.
they are great at funneling taxpayer money to shareholders pockets. but they can’t win against the protest people in the world.
they invade, try to set up a puppet state, then leave with the tail between their legs.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.
Ironically, many have tried (so now we know the result. And the proverb)…
This. People don’t like it when I say the US is a Paper Tiger. uS power doesn’t come from its military strength but from its economic strength.
If pushed hard, it would crumble. The only reason the US has military bases all over is to scare those countries into submission to exploit their workforce. Yet, all those bases are fucking expensive to just maintain. If those countries resisted, then the US loses its economic strength gained from their exploitation, and its military crumbles when it cannot afford to satisfy both it’s military contracts and maintain its presence abroad.
Not to mention the internal turmoil when the citizens experience the affects on society when the oligarchy can’t subsidize the consumerist lifestyle anymore. Thought that’s happening already thanks to the imperial boomerang.
you taught me the term “paper tiger” thanks.
You are welcome, prehistoric arthropod from the Cambrian period.
Israel is the US
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This is like seeing Ukraine striking Russia and saying we should nuke all the Eastern Europe.
Tbf we could use it
