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Payment providers are run by fuckin’ puritans…
Not a fan of porn games (which aren’t available here anyway), but that is not a good sign.
Why would they even cater to payment providers? They should not be able to determine whether you bought a porn game or a regular game, just that it’s something on Steam.
Payment processors don’t know which game you bought. That’s not the concern.
Their concern is that the store they do business with provides services to content they deem inappropriate. Frankly, I’m surprised they allowed this much for so long given the past.
Why credit card processors are puritans, I have no idea. But MC, Visa and PayPal have historically always been super anti-porn.
Does this mean they got rid of that one game where you drug your sister/wife repeatedly so a guy in the hallway doesn’t kill you?
12 Minutes that’s what it was called !
Does it count as repeatedly when its in a time loop?
I thought you were talking about Crusader Kings III
Hey if you want to goon and not pay might I suggest F95zone a wonderful porn game forum with a very good search system. I think it’s the dot to that’s the proper site, but it’s hard to think right now because everything hurts for no fucking reason.
I didn’t know this till I heard a podcast series about this, but the global rulemakes for porn are Visa and Mastercard. They decide what “goes too far” and remove a site from their service if they don’t like it, effectively cutting off all revenue streams and killing the site. They did this with porn sites and threatened OnlyFans. There are a bunch of rules they’ve written for the industry (e.g. fingering an orofice with4 fingers was acceptable, but when the thumb goes in then it becomes “fisting” and this used to be unacceptable), but many rules are unwritten and have to be guessed.
I think this is the podcast series for anyone interested (although I heard this a long time ago and I’m not sure if it was a different series and I’m not going to listen again to confirm).
yup they did this a LONG time ago with porn sites and DVD sales. I used to work in that industry as a web developer in the early 00s. Third party billers specifically set up for the porn industry thrived because of this.
there were many silly rules like you said, no fisting, at most two fingers in the asshole, Incest was “OK” as long as it was “step-” whatever BUT you could get away with it if you laid the ground work initially and say “step-mom” or whatever and then later on just say “mom”. Step-Dad was…hit or miss if you could get away with it. Scat was a no go BUT piss was ok IF it was from Europe, sorry US folks, you’re not allowed to piss on each other and film it in the good ol United States according to Visa and Mastercard. Finally some stuff like gang bangs or “abuse” porn was fine AS LONG as the girl at the end of the video has a mini interview claiming what a great time she had while covered in jizz. Visa and Mastercard needed to ensure this lady enjoyed herself.
fucking really dumb rules and I would have LOVED to be a fly in the room when Visa and Mastercard lawyers came up with these things.
This is gold!! I’d love to read more about it!! It’s very fascinating how payment system can control the type of content that is available for consumers
I was gonna get The Adventures of Kincaid,a furry porn game where you can screw several characters and enemies when you defeat them. The player character is female, and the sex is framed as the character patching up defeated enemies.
There is a similar free game called Naughty Rabbit by a Japanese developer called Be Kon Box… but it is kinda rapey until you realize the females can refuse sex if you don’t do it right, which makes me wonder if the sexual dynamics of the world involve kicking ass as courtship before screwing. Also he added some dynamics where the female enemies sexually assault the male player character. Its kinda fascinating.
Is national payment processing the solution?.. International public payment processing?
Unironically crypto
I think steam payments alone might overwhelm most of the crypto networks.
Depends on which one, old bitcoin? Yeah. And don’t even talk about lightning network, I hate it so much lol.
Agreed. I like to dunk on cryptobros as much as the next guy/gal, but crypto is the first actual solution that comes to mind here
This is why cryptocurrencies were created. getmonero.org
No, they were created to facilitate pyramid schemes and scams.
Cool, I’ll keep transacting privately and uncensored with minimal fees, no middle man and predictable inflation with my pyramid scheme and you’re free to stick to your surveilled, censored, ever inflating FIAT.
What actual items or services are you buying with crypto? Trading and buying other crypto doesn’t count, neither does selling the crypto
If you haven’t bought illicit drugs from a darknet market, you’re doing crypto and possibly life wrong
My VPN, VPS, phone bill, bunch of games and license keys, steam points, sms verification services all directly for crypto. I also buy gift cards to grocery stores, takeout delivery apps and the local equivalent of Amazon all for crypto and use them to do most of my shopping. Other things I used it for is donating to foss projects I use and some just for fun penny gambling/predictions. Once I even got paid in crypto for some freelance work I did. If you count the gift cards most of my spending is done in crypto, usually monero.
Have a look at monerica.com and xmrbazaar.com if you’re looking for places to spend your crypto.
“Gambling/predictions” I bet most of your crypto goes there, eh? And no, I’m not clicking a link that says “money america” or “bazaar”
“Gambling/predictions” I bet most of your crypto goes there, eh?
No, I’m not rich enough to be wasting money and don’t really enjoy feeling like my heart is going to jump out of my chest, gambling with literal pennies once in a blue moon is more of my style.
And no, I’m not clicking a link that says “money america” or “bazaar”
No worries, I’ll post some screenshots for you.
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If you can’t buy these games on Steam anymore, where can you buy them?
JAST, Kagura, DlSite, Itch, Patreon, and GOG are some vendors. I recommend JAST and Kagura, since they are dedicated to perverse games. DlSite is good if you want to buy Japanese exclusive games, and then pirate the unofficially translated versions.
Note that from some countries (germany at least) you might need a vpn to access the 18+ parts of DLsite (on that note, both steam and gog have a few porn games delisted if you’re in germany, thanks to some “think of the children” people, but JAST sells them anyway if they have it)
Yeah that even applies to some games that aren’t porn games but just feature nudity like the Fear & Hunger series.
These at least show up when logged in but are there ones that you can’t see at all without VPN?
Piratebay.
either patreon or itch-io. But it does depend on the creator. You’ll find many Japanese games on dl-site for example.
I hope that the EU creates a digital currency system that is universal, and for privacy coins to become common. I don’t want to deal with American payment processors, because they want to prevent me from supporting the people who make my life better.
Payment should be a dumb pipe, allowing me and you to uphold the social contract.
The EU is investigating a digital euro, but you won’t be pleased to learn that one of the key reasons is to increase tracking and compliance. Meaning their stated goal is to be able to restrict how the currency is used, by who, when, and on what. The EU is the very last organisation to ever create and maintain an anonymous and agnostic currency. We have that already with monero.
One protest away from being banned from using currency, from purchasing or even getting paid. Why invest in military police when you can just mass ostracise dissenters with one click
Exactly. That level of control scares me.
Ability to pay for anything legal implies accountability. I doubt payment processors are creating these rules because they’re afraid of Jesus.
They just did the math and there’s probably a ton of disputes/chargebacks on certain content.
Should two consenting adults be able to pay each other for whatever the fuck - absolutely. But dumb pipe only sounds really good until you get scammed.
I doubt payment processors are creating these rules because they’re afraid of Jesus
For starters, the biggest owners of both Visa and Mastercard are Mormons, so…
They might sort of have to do this or risk being cut off, given the loss of US Net Neutrality and the new pro-business-rights administration.
We really also need payment neutrality. I don’t like the content that’s being removed, but I really don’t like that visa gets to decide that websites are allowed to show, sell, and everything else. I don’t give half a damn if someone decides to swipe their card at the heroin and machine gun store, visa shouldn’t be the one deciding that they can’t make that transaction
Fully agreed. On the service-provider side, we have ‘safe harbor’ laws: A site isn’t liable for copyrighted user-generated content as long as they have mechanisms to take down items when notified.
Liability-wise: The payment processors should have no fucking insight into what is being sold, only that they handle the transactions. Therefore, they should have no liability, similar to “safe harbor”.
Reputation-wise: I can almost see a history where Visa, for example, used a statement like “we don’t handle transactions for X” as a marketing ploy… but that is way past where we are. There’s no chance of reputational damage to a payment processor for the items for which they handled a payment. Combined with the above, if I say I’m giving $20 to Tim, you give $20 to Tim and take it from me. Done. Not your problem.
As another commenter stated, the payment processor should be a dumb pipe, and anything illegal being sold should be a liability for the seller or buyer. The idea of a moral judgement of the processor is as stupid as a water pipe to your house cutting off the flow if your shower runs too long.
The real problem is the politicians, or lobbyists/influencers, who are sending bribes to each other to gain advantage… but visa doesn’t have a problem handling a venmo transaction for ‘tuition’.
Let me buy horny games until after you block world superpower corruption first. But honestly, don’t even do that. Just handle moving the money when someone send it. That’s your only job.
new gamestore named Steaming Hot
There is a lot of talk dancing around the issue here. This isn’t an American thing or a Puritan thing. This is purely a capitalism thing. They have been doing this for years. Do you think lolicon got forced off of every major platform for moral reasons? It breaks laws in various counties that the web hosts and payment processors operate in. Wincest porn, CNC porn, Zoo Porn, NSFL stuff. It’s all illegal somewhere. These companies are chasing profits. Those niche topics mentioned above lock them out of expanding into some places. Like China. They don’t give a fuck about the ethics of the content. They care that they’re loosing money by not being able to conduct business in those markets. They care that hosting it makes them a target and possible have to deal with law enforment of some country, fines, or vigilante style attacks on their network. You’ll loose your little family harem video game. They don’t care. They’re making billions processing the main narket. It’s capitalism and the global economy that’s making your platforms more conservative.
“It’s just good business.” It pisses me off.
It’s not unrelated to the puritanical thing. Otherwise they wouldn’t be afraid of losing money facilitating payments for porn.
You’re like the negative photo of a boomer. “Everything I don’t like is capitalism!”
God forbid I pin the actual reason for the complaint that is effecting you and explain why.
God forbid anything be due to a loss of consumer rights due to deregulation caused by conservatives. No, instead it must be capitalism. Everything bad is capitalism. The reason China is a dictatorship is because Capitalism. Israeli ethnic cleansing as well as the prior milleniums of holy war? Believe it or not, Capitalism.
I wouldn’t really care if Steam decided to crack down on porn games, its their store. Payment processors being the ones to force Valve’s hands simply doesn’t sit right.
an unelected duopoly can basically dictate global laws.
definitely dystopian
Dude SWIFT has more financial power and sway than visa and mastercard. They’re the folks who manage the network that allows bank transfers to happen nigh instantaneously. So if they block you, you are fucked.
