• Perspectivist@feddit.uk
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    4 hours ago

    Surrender as in just give up and let Russia take control of all of Ukraine? Abso-fucking-lutely not.

    Surrender the lost territories, however? It’s without a doubt going to happen.

  • AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space
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    10 hours ago

    Given that there is no situation that is improved by surrendering to Russia, and the Ukrainians are more aware of this than anyone else, no.

  • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.club
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    14 hours ago

    No. The war is unpopular, but Zelenskyy is still popular.

    I think it is clear that the Ukrainian people would accept a negotiated settlement including the loss of territory, but I don’t see total capitulation as politically acceptable. The big sticking point appears to be who guarantees Ukrainian independence after the war.

  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
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    8 hours ago

    Neither will surrender, they’ll come to an agreement to end the war, likely involving Russia taking some of Ukraine’s land and cities.

  • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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    10 hours ago

    Probably not in the immediate future. I get the impression that Ukraine has reached the point where surrendering territory is ultimately on the table, but they’re going to need a credible security guarantee afterwards, or what’s the point?

  • zxqwas@lemmy.world
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    11 hours ago

    No. It’s unlikely either side will surrender. But then I don’t know what goes on inside the countries. We had an interesting Wagner mutiny in Russia for example. Something similar could happen for either side.

    Most likely outcome seems to be that eventually the Russians stop making gains and they will demand consessions (territory) that Ukraine is willing to accept. There will be some kind of guarantee for Ukrainian independence.

  • fluxion@lemmy.world
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    15 hours ago

    Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhghhh no.

  • SSTF@lemmy.world
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    14 hours ago

    No, though it seems like both sides have lost the appetite and ability to execute meaningful large scale maneuvers. I have wondered if it might end up with some kind of cease-fire agreement that leads to a simmering militarized border while the war is still technically ongoing, similar to North and South Korea.