Feels like this is celebrity tabloid shit.
People are protesting genocide but LOOK AT WHOSE STANDING NEXT TO EACH OTHER! AWKWAAAAARDD!!
I didn’t reward the bait so I don’t know if I’m way off base. But I’m assuming it’s not just Bernie and Greene and there’s literally no reason to tie them together except for “heehoo tiny incongruence make brain feel funny.” I mean, it’s genocide. You don’t need to go “wow if these two are against you it must be bad” as if that actually means anything.
I know it’s a pipe dream but it’d be (darkly) hilarious if MTG pulled a reverse Fetterman.
We have entered the twilight zone.
In before 5 people say, “I would never have thought to see them agree.”
If we can’t agree that famine and genocide are wrong, you aren’t human. I’m willing to give her that, at least.
MTGs motivation isn’t “genocide is bad” like the rest of us though. MTG is in the “Jews are sneaky money stealing gremlins with space lasers” camp.
ding ding. take her vote, but side eye her the whole time
Idk Marjorie Taylor Greene is about as far from human as a featherless biped can get
It’s important to understand that they’re not agreeing, though. She’s an antisemite, while Bernie is a humanitarian. They may be advocating for the same end, but it is not for the same purpose.
Bernie Sanders: “I’m a socialist and I think we (can keep sending bombs to Israel but) need to end the famine.”
MTG: “The Jews Control the Media. End the Gaza famine!”
Real Frog and the Scorpion situation going on here.
Huh. Weird how she’s all about peace on this conflict, but not so much on Ukraine. Wonder why…
I worry about her motivations given her past history, but the situation is far too dire to turn away people who can take the anti genocide position and keep quiet about their objectionable beliefs related to it. So yeah good on her, I hope they succeed.
and keep quiet about their objectionable beliefs related to it.
Yeah, nah, she’s the polar opposite of that.
Frankly, I don’t think her “support” accomplishes anything but to serve as fodder for those trying to push the narrative equating Palestinian supporters with anti-semites.
She’s not extreme enough to stand out in the current US regime, so she’s shifting strategies to stay in the headlines. Hopefully she’s really invested in doing the right thing.
Another shock and awe big mouth trying to stay relevant. I applaud you for staying positive enough to hope any of them are actually interested in doing the right thing, after they’ve given us so much evidence to the contrary.
One can dream. Marjorie and Elon gonna bring us peace.
I guess even a broken clock is right sometimes.
She’s only starting to sound “sane” because she’s up for reelection.
She’s already been re-elected once after demonstrating nothing but batshit insanity in her first term. What possible indication is there that her district and her constituents want sanity?
I made this point on a live stream a few days ago, but there are two real issues that have the opportunity to drive a wedge between Trump and coalition that came together to put him into office: Making America “Great” Again (whatever that means; and Epstein. There is a real opportunity to peal a non-trivial amount of support away from Trump right now, but it might require using rhetoric and approaches that the left hasn’t been willing to engage with previously
The “Making America Great Again” is effectively an argument that whatever Trump is doing is the opposite of that. This has come up on a number of RW podcasts, but probably the two of greatest importance are the JRE and PBD podcasts. The best example I have of this comes from the PBD podcast, where the issue has come up directly a few times. There was a Majority Report/ Sam Seder clip where I think Vincent (or maybe Adam?), during the NYC mayoral debate, where they were discussing the candidates and one of the talking heads said something along the line of “Mandami is the only one up there who sounds like they are putting New York first, America first” or something long those lines. Its come up as a through line several times across RW media and as a talking point it has staying power.
The second thread is on Epstein, and we’ve all been watching the RW meltdown on this issue. The entire RW politics sphere is having to gaslight its audiences on an issue they’ve spent literally decades building up in the minds of their constituents; its just not something they can easily undo. The problem we have currently, is any pressure being put onto the Epstein fault line is being done so through what I would describe as a "traditional DNC/ Democratic lens, approach. Hearings, documents, civil procedure; its not going to get through to the RW media landscape, and even might be counter productive to further driving this wedge (if you are rw and the critique coming from Democrats it must be BS right?).
The real problem we have right now on the left is that our media infrastructure/ landscape isn’t built to take advantage of these fault lines. Traditional media is right out. No one at all listens to them; they mostly serve as a punching bag to validate RW narratives. But, necessarily, on leftist media, we’ve had to use purity test, validation and crowdsourcing to both self fund but also maintain discipline when it comes not being co-opted by RW/ corporate interests. The result is we don’t have very many outlets that can act as a gateway drug to cleaving off support for Trump. And the thing is, cleaving off even 1/2-1% support would be huge.
Political movements are momentum driven. The fly wheels to grow them effective require constant acceleration to maintain steady state. What this means is that if we can even cleave off a half percent of support among Trump voters, we’ve sent the entire project into retrograde.
Trumpism is a mental health condition and we should be approaching breaking it apart that way. Its mass delusional psychosis. When you are trying to approach someone, deal with someone in a psychotic or delusional state, it does you no good to argue with them about what reality is. You can’t come into those situations with a mentality telling them “Well you are just wrong about reality”. If you want to reach them, you have to find points of “agreement”, and then, slowly, move them to where you want them to go.
I mostly feel like there is a real opportunity right now to split off at least some of the base support for Trump by focusing on some specific coalitions, but its not going to happen without a change in the approaches we’re seeing used.
Did we suddenly jump to an alternate timeline? It makes me wonder if MTG either:
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Is trying to be re-elected.
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Actually changed her batshit crazy ways.
- She hates Jewish people and jumps at the chance to be vindicated in her beliefs.
She’s just trying to stay relevant.
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