Aside from men being horny in the 1800s, and this being a holdover since that time, is there any actual reason why this hasn’t changed?
If society was dominated by women, would this be more likely to change?
I was sweating my ass off hiking in the hot sun, and the question has been bothering me all day after my top soaked through with sweat.
Legally, a lot of places it’s been court tested, and you actually can. Culturally, it’s just kind of that way. Hair is banned in Arabia, tits can hang out in Papua New Guinea. The West says no boobs but hair is fine.
A genital covering is the only cultural universal, although it can sometimes be overly revealing by Western standards, like with penis gourds.
The machines consider the human body, and especially the body’s organs related to sexual reproduction as inherently obscene.
The machine believes harm is caused by the sight of these organs and it wishes them to remain hidden under treath of state sanctions until such time as they can be removed.
Afaik they can. At least in NM.
Because there was a movement to make it socially acceptable for men in the 20th century that was successful while the equivalent one for women has been slower, but also has seen some successes resulting in places like New York, New York and Columbus, Ohio permitting female toplessness in public.
because patriarchy only sees women as sexual objects.
A matter of social acceptability in general. Some societies, moreso before Western norms became widespread, don’t view the breasts in a sexual way and a woman going topless would be completely unremarkable.
Other than the breasts, some societies see the legs as very sexual, so they always cover the legs in public.
I think it would be more likely to change in a female-dominant society, but they could just as well not change it for no obvious reason. I’m sure there’s some nuance I’m glossing over, but even though it’s legal for me to go out in my underwear as a man in a male-dominated society, I wouldn’t do so voluntarily, regardless of the temperature.
It’s legal where I live, but nobody does it cause women don’t wanna be stared at and cat called when they’re walking around titties out
^Real answer. It’s not just men, you’d definitely get stared at by everybody lol. It’s not bad but I notice a few stares here and there just going without a bra
I live in Ontario, Canada, where it’s perfectly legal for women to be topless.
I’ve never actually seen anyone exercise that right (at least in person), but it’s a right.
Legally it’s allowed but socially it isn’t. We can’t go topless without being endlessly harassed and probably assaulted. It was bad enough when I walked home with my bikini top after going swimming.
For what it’s worth I think it’s kinda weird for other guys to not wear a shirt in public, like dude what are you doing, put your shirt on.
Yeah, basically agree. And if parity is the goal I’d rather see men cover up a little more.
Honestly I hate this take, saying everyone should have a to cover up to me is just was weird as saying one group should have to. There is literally no explanation you can give for this position that isn’t a personal problem you should get over.
it’s the same kind of statement as saying that, for example, politicians should wear suits… we tend to have expectations that everyone is dressed to a similar level for the context they’re in. in public, that expectation tends to include a shirt of some kind. shirtless is a similar level of “should have to” as arriving at work or a party dressed too casually
There’s also been a rise in swim shirts for boys and men. Which I see as a positive. Especially when it comes to sun exposure
Aside from men being horny in the 1800s
Men aren’t horny now?
I was so confused by that.
It’s legal to be completely naked where I live, that doesn’t mean that it’s socially acceptable or that it won’t count as “disturbing the order”(not what it’s called legally, but it’s tricky to translate into English well, “förargelseväckande beteende”).
But it isn’t illegal to be naked😃. So they can, but they don’t, usually
It’s legal in most the US states too.
They also don’t want to be photographed and end up with their tits all over social media. Places where this used to be routine (European beaches and so on) there is a lot less of this than 30 years ago. Another thing mobiles phones and social media have made worse
My mom seemed to always have them out.
And we all loved her for that.
In my experience (as a trans woman who has experienced both sides of this coin), I can no longer get away with being topless in most situations. However, I can get away with wearing less in more situations. It’s acceptable for me to wear a short cut, sleeveless tank top or boob tube in situations where it would be difficult for a guy to wear a singlet or other sleeveless top.
I am personally very upset that on some specific day during my transition, it was no longer acceptable for me to be shirtless in public. During summer I get consent from visitors to my house, and have my housemates consent, so go shirtless at home.
So I get that socially in most places it is not acceptable for women to go totally topless. We can argue about double standards, but I’ll let other people do that.
What I actually have noticed is that nowadays in a lot of Western cultures, women can get away with just wearing just a bra with no shirt in public. No, it’s still not being totally topless, but it is a lot better heat-wise than wearing both a bra and then a shirt on top. Just it can’t be like lingerie, but more like a sports bra or something. I’ve done it when heading into a shop after going for a run and not gotten any complains. I see others just occasionally walking around in something a sports bra when it’s hot out, not even relating to intense exercise. Try it.
Pretty much anywhere you’ll see people who exercise where their workout clothes around town for a bit. I live in the Midwest which gets stupidly humid in the summer, and I’ve seen plenty of women around with sports bras or something similar (like a workout crop or something). It’s just another thing, like when people wear those tiny running shorts.
Although one time at work I did witness a very old leathery man come into the store I worked at in his running attire. Let me tell you, his shorts were like speedos how short they were, and they were TIGHT. Like you saw everything and it was all being pushed forward too, so it made it look like he had this ridiculous bulge.
Lmaooo maybe that was an intentional look then
I’m seeing a lot of this in California! Going out in a sports bra
