It’s like I say when people just make stuff up to hate on the US, there’s plenty of legitimate reasons to hate on the US. Making up reasons completely delegitimizes your argument and makes it much easier for the opposition to point to the made up thing and say “see, they made THIS up, they must have made it ALL up.”
What’s worse is I fucking called it, now The Independent is repeating this BS (although the rest of the article is much better at focusing on all the horrendous shit ICE actually is doing, and the guided missiles lie is a single sentence basically), here is the article.
While the majority of the money has been spent on guns and armor for field agents, the outlay has also seen ICE purchase “guided missile warheads and explosive components,” according to Popular Information.
There we go, tracked this particular disinformation live. Next step is a major US outlet like NYT repeating the same “Popular Information states ____”. Journalism used to mean actually doing something just just copy/pasting from random blogs online. I doubt they’ve even pulled the data from the government portal themselves. /sigh
A bigger outlet repeating the same false claim with the same citation doesn’t make it more true. Or are you saying you know the claim is made up and its worth posting anyways as propaganda?
I’m asking if you’re aware of the fact that the articles you’re posting have no basis in fact. ICE has proven 72 million on equipment, an astonishingly large number. There is absolutely no data or anything at all to lead anyone to believe they’ve purchased “warheads” “guided missiles” or “artillery” as the articles you’re posting claim.
Even just this conversation is something of a proof. You kept hitting me with that “proof” that ICE’s funding is being raised as if would “convince” me of something. You know, being a good debunker trying to realign your “opponents” viewpoint. Correct their values… Where as I wasn’t putting half as much effort into my approach.
Just writing my pro-propaganda poerty. Because poetry, art, humor, propaganda is an art form. Science, logic, rationality, skepticism, debunking - they’re a science, it’s more effort. Take more work. The mindset is more draining. It’s subject to more burnout and isolation.
It’s a case study. Meanwhile the upvotes for this post don’t go away. Nor do the people who didn’t see your correction, who just saw the headline and continued on their way (which I suspect is most reddit/lemmy style users, they’re doom scrolling).
Now apply this to a whole system of posting accross platforms like the alt-right does …and a little debunking can’t really make a dent in the overall effect.
It’s a tool the left can’t afford to avoid. It’s best seen and done as an art, as comedy, with humour, gloss, and pizazz, like Trump does it. That’s what works. Everything’s a commercial. An elevator pitch.
I’ve been a debunker. It only works in a rational society, and only untill the forces of irrationality emmerge again out of emotional need. Propaganda deals with the emotions because people aren’t rational.
It’s like I say when people just make stuff up to hate on the US, there’s plenty of legitimate reasons to hate on the US. Making up reasons completely delegitimizes your argument and makes it much easier for the opposition to point to the made up thing and say “see, they made THIS up, they must have made it ALL up.”
I mean if you spent 2 minutes looking it up you wouldn’t be arguing with people about your blind belief of an article you found online.
https://www.wired.com/story/no-ice-probably-didnt-buy-guided-missile-warheads/
No fully reputable source has reported on it either, so I assume there is some journalistic integrity left.
That was my point. Why make bad stuff up about ice when what they’re doing is bad enough?
What’s worse is I fucking called it, now The Independent is repeating this BS (although the rest of the article is much better at focusing on all the horrendous shit ICE actually is doing, and the guided missiles lie is a single sentence basically), here is the article.
There we go, tracked this particular disinformation live. Next step is a major US outlet like NYT repeating the same “Popular Information states ____”. Journalism used to mean actually doing something just just copy/pasting from random blogs online. I doubt they’ve even pulled the data from the government portal themselves. /sigh
Here’s the REAL story, after the made up stuff:
“What we’re seeing is a general escalation of violence and the use of excessive force by ICE officers,” Ed Yohnka of ACLU Illinois told NPR recently.
That’ll be the independent article I just posted. Because you can do both propaganda and the truth, there’s just rules for how to do so.
You find those rules by dabbling in both.
A bigger outlet repeating the same false claim with the same citation doesn’t make it more true. Or are you saying you know the claim is made up and its worth posting anyways as propaganda?
Are you asking whether I’ve personally audited all the weapons caches ICE might conceivably have access to?
I don’t even know if you have a face.
I’m asking if you’re aware of the fact that the articles you’re posting have no basis in fact. ICE has proven 72 million on equipment, an astonishingly large number. There is absolutely no data or anything at all to lead anyone to believe they’ve purchased “warheads” “guided missiles” or “artillery” as the articles you’re posting claim.
Is this disconnect intentional?
Where’s your cape? Or maybe you’d prefer a red robe like the Spanish Inquisition.
“Arguing with strangers on the Internet! That’ll improve the world!”
Superhero movies are for douche bags.
Ok.
Even just this conversation is something of a proof. You kept hitting me with that “proof” that ICE’s funding is being raised as if would “convince” me of something. You know, being a good debunker trying to realign your “opponents” viewpoint. Correct their values… Where as I wasn’t putting half as much effort into my approach.
Just writing my pro-propaganda poerty. Because poetry, art, humor, propaganda is an art form. Science, logic, rationality, skepticism, debunking - they’re a science, it’s more effort. Take more work. The mindset is more draining. It’s subject to more burnout and isolation.
It’s a case study. Meanwhile the upvotes for this post don’t go away. Nor do the people who didn’t see your correction, who just saw the headline and continued on their way (which I suspect is most reddit/lemmy style users, they’re doom scrolling).
Now apply this to a whole system of posting accross platforms like the alt-right does …and a little debunking can’t really make a dent in the overall effect.
It’s a tool the left can’t afford to avoid. It’s best seen and done as an art, as comedy, with humour, gloss, and pizazz, like Trump does it. That’s what works. Everything’s a commercial. An elevator pitch.
I’ve been a debunker. It only works in a rational society, and only untill the forces of irrationality emmerge again out of emotional need. Propaganda deals with the emotions because people aren’t rational.
It’s a case study.