• FelixCress@lemmy.world
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    21 hours ago

    This was only to reduce interruptions by some students (during a specific kind of UK exams), who had trouble determining the remaining time in the heat of the exam battle

    I am not being funny but if someone is unable to read the time perhaps they shouldn’t be in the exam room in the first place.

    It is like saying that all questions will be read out loud all the time and verbal answers recorded instead of written ones - because some students are illiterate.

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      19 hours ago

      Honestly if you can’t calculate things on an abacus you shouldn’t be in the exam room tbh. Sure, calculators have been invented and have ultimately replaced the abacus in nearly every facet of day to day life, but surely you know how to add beads together?

      We’re letting kids use GPS to get to school now? What the street signs and constellations aren’t good enough for you?

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        19 hours ago

        Let me rephrase it than - if someone is an idiot, they shouldn’t be in the exam room. If you are concerned about it, it may be because you fit the category.

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          What makes people who didn’t learn to read analog clocks idiots? If you have a thing about analog clocks, just keep it to yourself.

          it may be because you fit the category

          Or maybe because it’s just stupid af to judge people’s intelligence based on an unrelated life skill.

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            19 hours ago

            What makes people who didn’t learn to read analog clocks idiots?

            Wrong question. The correct would be: what make people who are too lazy or too stupid to learn the clock idiots - but that would be a rhetorical one.

            it’s just stupid af to judge people’s intelligence based on an unrelated life skill.

            Intelligence is an ability to obtain knowledge and skills. If someone lacks both, it is a strong indication of them not having enough intelligence to obtain them.

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              who are too lazy or too stupid

              They do know how to read the clock (digital ones :) ) Again, it doesn’t make them idiots or lazy for not learning something they don’t really need to learn

              Intelligence is an ability to obtain knowledge and skills. If someone lacks both, it is a strong indication of them not having enough intelligence to obtain them.

              What makes you think they don’t have the ability to learn how to read analog clocks just because they don’t? You might not know how ride a horse, but that doesn’t mean you can’t learn how to. Are you an idiot for not learning how to?

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                19 hours ago

                They do know how to read the clock

                They also know how to use calculator, they just don’t knot 2 times 2 is four without it. Neither have place during an exam.

                What makes you think they don’t have the ability to learn how to read analog clocks

                Because if they did, they would have done during lessons to learn it, sweetie 🙄

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                  Because if they did, they would have done during lessons to learn it, sweetie

                  Thanks for calling me a sweetie. Love u too. Forgetting is a thing. Unlike previous generations they are not as much exposed to analog ones. Therefore they don’t need to. Digital clocks are used in electronic devices etc.

                  They also know how to use calculator, they just don’t knot 2 times 2 is four without it. Neither have place during an exam

                  Except basic math is necessary since the brain is faster with smaller calculations and analog clock really isn’t that much necessary anymore. They can be replaced.

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                  Not the one widely used, but they do know how to use the clock. And they’re not really that much more used than digital clocks. Therefore, it doesn’t matter

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                    Would it matter to you if they didn’t know how to add and multiply without calculator?

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          Yikes.

          Also, since you ran out of arguments and started correcting people’s spelling, *then.

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            “yikes” what?

            Passing exams is not an entitlement, it is an achievement. If someone is an idiot unable to understand the clock, they shouldn’t be in the exam room in the first place - and they certainly shouldn’t expect someone will start explaining clock to them when they are supposed to write an exam.

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              Why are you so adamant that reading an analog clock is required to pass an exam that doesn’t feature any material related to reading analog clocks?

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      Students with dyslexia do get special treatment. There is no reason to discriminate against people lacking an unrelated skill and it’s not funny to demand it so we at least agree on something

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        I agree.

        That being said, there’s a difference between having a disability and just not having had enough practice.

        Just having an analogue clock in all rooms and halls of a school is a way to give people the opportunity to get the practice.

        In higher grades you can have an analogue clock in front and a digital “cheat” one in the back. If they’re not sure, they can glance at that. And if that cheat clock is only in every other room. Most will learn because it’s easier that way.

        When reading the clock comes as a topic of the curriculum in 1st or 2nd grade, having the teacher ask a student to read the time periodically from the classroom clock for a few months will make sure everyone has had at least some opportunities to practice.

        Of course, if someone does have a problem bordering on disability, accomodate them. Regardless of whether their parents took the time and money to have it diagnosed or not. But a quarter of a class having it is either bad luck or just bad methodology.

        Edit: all this applies to elementary school.

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          The post talks explicitly about teenagers in exam halls. Don’t know if “exam hall” is a term for regular class rooms but either way it talks about teenagers. True, younger kids should learn it. Even if without practice, you have a hard time as a teenager, you can revive the skill later. Source: I did.

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        I am not referring to students with diagnosed disabilities - I am referring to the vast majority without.

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          … in the context that many students can’t read analog clocks and shouldn’t get help. Pretty sure there is no official diagnosis for this so no problem and they don’t deserve to know how much time they have left in a biology exam. Again, there is no reason to discriminate against people lacking unrelated skills, if diagnosed or undiagnosed.

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            Let me put it this way: if someone is not disabled and still unable or too lazy to understand the clock, they shouldn’t be in the exam room in the first place.

            This is not a “discrimination” - most exams are for the people with a some level of the IQ, certainly above the level of a radiator. Or a stool.

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              unable or too lazy to understand the clock,

              They can understand the clock? Just not the analog clock. Why should they anyways? It’s not like that’s the only way to tell time and since reading analog clocks is an unrelated skill why do u think they’re not fit to write exams? It has nothing to do with IQ, it’s just that analog clocks aren’t as common as they used to be. Hence, they’re less used to them than previous generations. They probably can learn to read them if they wanted to, but they just don’t bother, since they don’t really need it these days

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                Just not the analog clock. Why should they anyways?

                Because it is is widely used?

                Why should they learn alphabet in the first place? Why should they learn numbers?

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                  It’s not really widely used anymore.

                  Alphabets can’t be replaced by something easier and more convenient. But clocks can be

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                    It’s not really widely used anymore.

                    Absolute and utter rubbish. Now go to the first high street shop with watches and try again.

                    But clocks can be

                    Your point is?

                    Maps can be easy replace with a GPS. Ability to read maps is still (and should be) on the curriculum.

                    Calculator has replaced the need to add, multiply and divide, yet we still ask children to learn these skills.

                    Go figure 🙄

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      Ah, okay, I can’t take exams because my dyscalculia makes it difficult for me to read a clock (and it’s not worth my time).

      👍

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        No, you shouldn’t pass exams if you are an idiot - and if you do take them, don’t expect a special treatment because of your stupidity.

        And no, as I said people with diagnosed disability are a different matter.

        Hopefully that clarifies it for you.