Republicans are grappling with public polls showing the public places more blame on them, rather than the Democrats, for the shutdown, even as they argue they have the moral high ground in the shutdown fight.

Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) and Republicans stress that they put no partisan poison pills in a GOP-crafted, House-passed stopgap to fund the government through Nov. 21. Democrats in the Senate have repeatedly blocked that bill as they demand that Republicans first negotiate with them on health care issues, particularly on enhanced Affordable Care Act subsidies expiring at the end of the year.

Poll after poll finds that slightly more Americans think Republicans are to blame for the shutdown than who think Democrats are at fault.

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    If you’re in government it’s your responsibility to keep the government running. In most other countries if the government can’t pass a budget then it’s a vote of no confidence and we call another election immediately.

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      I think one of America’s biggest fuckups was designing a system where elections can only be every four years

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        Just add the way Athens dealt with this thousands of years ago. You vote twice for each representative: once to get him into office, and a second time at the end of the term to determine if he can stay or gets banished from the city.

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            Technically, I don’t think supreme Court appointments are necessarily lifetime appointments. Appointments to the federal judiciary are lifetime appointments, but the constitution doesn’t specify that federal judges can’t be rotated in and out of the supreme Court. I could be remembering that wrong though, it’s been a while since my last read through.

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            Even the system of checks and balances were kind of a fuckup if you think about it - the whole system just presumes that most people are acting in good faith and bad faith actors are limited to a few positions or a single branch.

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              The system wasn’t supposed to be perfect or eternal. The founders explicitly said that they expected each successive generation to essentially rewrite the constitution. It’s not their fault that we only made minor tweaks over 250 years.

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                The threshold for passing reform is too damn high. There should’ve been some mandatory period to make the change happen more often and easily to keep with the times. Now we’re stuck with an antiquated system that still mentions slavery in its founding documents and its loopholes are so well known that someone’s using it to turn this country into an autocracy.

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                  I don’t know that the threshold is the problem. I think the problem is that about 35% of humans are complete pieces of shit. I don’t know how you account for that effectively. Expecting the rest of society to counter them seems about as reasonable of a solution as you’re likely to find and that’s essentially what we have now.

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                Shoulda made the revamp of the constitution an enforced, time-boxed process then. Currently the approximate timeframe of getting an amendment through is what, 60 years or so?

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              Correct. They cannot be separate powers but coequal without the ability of enforcement. If the military is all subordinate to the president, and Congress or SCOTUS don’t have resources to enforce their oversight of the others, then they are not coequal. They are coequal in theory, never in practice.

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              It actually assumes bad faith actors in all positions. The failure was allowing teams. That’s why Washington hated them.

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                  Everything suggested also violated other parts of the constitution, so nothing was ever implemented. That was part of the ‘it’s a republic, if you can keep it.’

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            Yeah, instead of having a lifetime appointment, or having a specific number of justices, they could just make it so that, at the beginning of the 4 year presidential term, the President gets to nominate a fixed number of Supreme Court justices, who serve for a fixed number of years.

            I heard somebody propose that system, and I can’t help thinking that it would solve a lot of the problems with our Supreme Court.

            There are some laws tied to the lifetime of a person, like appointing certain judges, and copyright law, and the more I think about it, the more I realize that there is always a better solution.

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              I think it would be better to divide up the US into four regions, with each its own president. That president gets to pick one national justice, and each region elects four justices independently of their president. Plus, the four regional presidents elect a figurehead president to represent the nation, who gets to pick an final justice. 21 national justices in total, five of them picked by their respective president. When a president is removed from office, their justice follows.

              This increases the separations of powers, and allows for the national court to have their pool of justices change relatively often. Keeping the minds of our judiciary fresh is important, otherwise they fall out of touch with the citizens they are supposed to serve.

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        I wasn’t sure so I went looking. It fluctuates, but 150 days a year is what I found. So that would be 50 days per 4 months. Or rather that they have shown up about 40% of the norm.

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          So for them this isn’t even much different than normal. And they’re still getting paid. Not that many of them need their government salary with all the campaign donations and insider trading. And guaranteed lobbying jobs at triple the salary or more after they’re done.

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            Id say it’s more than a bit different. It would be like if you or I started going into work Monday and Tuesday, and skipping Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. Except yeah, they still get paid the same. To bad we couldn’t all have jobs like that.

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              The crazy thing is, with the productivity improvements recently in human history, and the amount of time wasted doing what amounts to fluffing people higher up the chain with busy work or literally just sitting there work, we could all probably work notably less than we do if that work was spread equally and not wasted on bullshit like ensuring poor people feel bad.

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                Agreed, I think with automation and technological improvements the only way forward is to supplement people’s livings based off loss of work at a national level. 200 years ago, 70% of the U.S. were farmers. 1900, 38%. 1925, ~25%. 2025, less than 2%. Sure we can say about 10% of jobs surround agriculture in some way, but that is a drastic amount of work that has been offset. If we have offset 50% of the required work needed to keep our country fed, clothed and roofed, we need to develop ways to cut the workload by half for the people, and find other activities people can partake in that aren’t just about making someone else money.

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      To what end? What will it change? Do you think Trump will actually be held accountable? Do you think it’ll make him lose the election?

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        They’re willing to commit many FBI agents to redacting Trump’s name from the files, they’re willing to blatantly put their own careers at risk to lie to congress about it, they’re willing to shut down the government and keep it shut down over it, and they refuse to swear in a newly elected Democrat from Arizona over it

        Yeah, it may have some effect

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        Trump isn’t actually the target of the files. It would put gop funding at risk at a level even greater than when they busted the NRA for being a Russian front.

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    Has polling ever shown a majority blaming dems for any shutdown? This has been a republican tactic for a while now and it doesn’t substantially hurt them. Why would they give a shit?

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    The more people are available to self-inform (spending cuts/layoffs) means the more they’re available for waking up. Brilliant strategy on the GOP’s part.

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    For every other time Republicans withhold their vote, in order to make demands, Democrats always give them what they want…and everyone calls them weak because of it.

    Does it surprise anyone that Republicans don’t want to look like Democrats?