National Science Foundation (NSF) had offered $1.5 million to address structural vulnerabilities in Python and the Python Package Index (PyPI), but the Foundation quickly became dispirited with the terms of the grant it would have to follow.
“These terms included affirming the statement that we ‘do not, and will not during the term of this financial assistance award, operate any programs that advance or promote DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion], or discriminatory equity ideology in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws,’” Crary noted. “This restriction would apply not only to the security work directly funded by the grant, but to any and all activity of the PSF as a whole.”
I should use python more. I like when people have principles.
Jesus the current US administration are cartoonishly evil. History is not going to be kind to the United States. In 30 Years there is going to be a museum with a little plaque on the wall and it’ll say “did you know the United States used to be a relevant world power?”.
NSF: “We’ll give you money as long as you don’t hire minorities”.
Python: “Get fucked.”
Chad shit
Besides the anti-woke bullshit, it’s just a bad idea to accept. It is absolutely not normal for a grant to have stipulations that if you violate some vaguely defined criteria somewhere in your organization, it can be clawed back at a later time. That’s a huge liability for an organization to take on that they may suddenly owe a million dollars some time in the future.
I mean basically yeah, “DEI” and “Woke” are right wing buzzwords that basically can mean whatever, and the Trump admin et al know this. They could say “letting x people use this is woke” or “hiring y people is DEI”. The Anti-DEI movement is just an excuse for actual discrimination because now we have people being fired not because they are unfit for their job, but because they’re from a minority who was deemed more qualified than someone who was White, Male and Cishet.
I mean Hegseth fired the Chief of Naval Operations because she was a woman. Straight up.
What a time we live in. It really feels like a fever dream
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The text actually required them to not violate anti-discrimination laws.
Which under the current administration means not annoying the great all-powerful orange one. It certainly has no relation to the actual law.
What’s the size of the rock you’ve been living under in the past 10 months or so?
It’s not a rock, it’s a giant glass of flavoured water
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Congratulations for having a real spine and showing the world that money isn’t everything
Thank you python team
There’s an often repeated theme in philosophy that any gift that comes with conditions is actually just business.
I would use the term extortion, but yup.
Oh for sure, Trumps business style is about extortion rather than collaboration. He has to win and they have to lose.
It baffles me that any business is prepared to get into bed with him. It’s practically a meme at this point that he screws everyone over and doesn’t pay his debts and with him now being president of the United States, there is zero chance you’ll be able to put a lien on him.
“getting bought” is more fitting imo.
And a nice little view behind the curtains how the fascists operate.
Even when it’s reverse? grants being conditional on DEI action has been a long time thing already
I’d say so. Yes
The Seattle zoo also rejected federal funding with these strings. My wife lost her job because of it. Because it was just for one program and the no-DEI was organization wide…
Apparently the Portland Zoo signed it… No one expected that shit. We both let her parents know that this is because of their vote in another state.
That’s right. Fuck anti-DEI. DEI is the future and good.
DEI, otherwise known as hiring the right person for the job, regardless of label. It’s wild that meritorious hiring principles aren’t the norm in this country. Have to find out what you are before who you are matters.
DEI is nothing more than an acceptable form of racism.
Hiring people to meet quotas does not make a society better and does nothing to fix the root cause of inequalities.
Free access to quality education, healthcare and funding higher education for the people who can’t afford it is how you fix things for the better. This is the future and good.
DEI is the equivalent of a small band aid over a putrid, gaping wound.
Quotas is just one small aspect of DEI.
Things like anonymous soliciting and punishing racism are others.
And even quotas are just a response to stupid people using their bias at their workplace while being blindly unaware of them.
The world is full of smart women and minorities. If there wasn’t a bias we would be closer to 50% of managers not being white males.
I will admit I was mistaken, I forgot the quarterly company wide corporate email asking employees to not be openly racist at work.
Truly solving inequalities, one middle manager asking you to sign that you’ve read the email at a time.
The problem isn’t that there isn’t smart women and minorities, they exist. They’re just crushed by the system. DEI won’t solve that. DEI won’t women and minorities the resources to achieve their dreams, DEI won’t give handicapped people access to a better life.
DEI is a bandaid on a festering, maggot filled wound. People slap it on and are like “wow, what a good job”, and it drives me crazy.
DEI has been found to be a net good to society by numerous studies. You just get your panties in a bunch because you are ignorant af.
Social studies are about worth as much as the paper they’re written on. 60 years ago studies said black people were inferior. In 60 years it’ll be something else. They always match the era they were made in.
The only true solution to inequality is actual action against the cause of inequality, not some feelgood quarterly corporate email asking employees to not be openly racist at work.
You call it a band aid but its more of a hammer. There are numerous systemic issues these policies force society to confront head-on and in meaningful ways.
Calling DEI racism is just a conservative dog whistle for “owie my privilege hurts” and ignores the other forms of discrimination DEI challenges head on.
In a perfect world, you are right - equality. But our world is far from perfect.
I guess we fundamentally disagree on the effectiveness of DEI policies at the workplace.
Good for them. It is good to see people do something right for once.
One of our geology grants got hit for mentioning mineral inclusion. Total clown show.
Rocks are woke now.
Yeah, since rocks went all woke and stuff, they have really been rolling down hill…
My sediments exactly
Their metamorphosis has been a heavy topic to follow.
Gneiss!
Aww schist, here we go again!
The diversity of rocks you can find in the environment is truly stunning
Unironically yes ❤️
An administration that uses LLMs and Ctrl + F and vibes for policy decisions that don’t sound good even before you realize they don’t make sense, and ignores courts and due process… it’s a hazard to touch.
One of my recent software projects has an “ignore” list feature, but I guess I have to update the terminology to “include/exclude” if that means chuds will stay away.
It is all just so unbelievably stupid.
for real? Mentioning the wrong (key-) word gets you cancelled like this?
We now get to experience what it would have been like if the Nazis had a negative IQ. Which is impressive to say, because some of them were totally deranged.
All they’re doing here is ensuring that all of the really intelligent people leave and go live somewhere else.
Yep. And Universities had to edit their papers to remove any “bad words”.
Ooh I know what I’m using as variable names this week
Honestly this is magnificent. 🤡
Hey look someone with integrity, morals, principles and balls. Sadly all four of those seem to be highly endangered traits.
In 2 days the White House will order every companie to stop using python because of woke or something
Imagining all the llm dorks suddenly trying to learn typescript over the weekend
It makes me very happy to think about
Or trying to control their mice population. Wait what?
Or OpenCL.
I mean switching to OpenCL and not relying on CUDA would be great but I don’t know how I feel about it.
To them I say “good luck, fuckers”
I’m deeply proud of Python for standing by its community and making the right decision.
How is it legal to basically say “We’ll give you some money if you promise to keep the blacks out of your organisation”
Because Congress and the Supreme Court have been captured entirely by fascists.
You frame it as “don’t discriminate based on skin color, as in don’t hire a black person because they’re black” while not saying any more of the quiet part out loud.
In a perfect world where nobody doing the hiring was ever even a little subconsciously racist, that would be perfectly reasonable, yeah.
Though that said we end up with a lot of nuance in the real world. Let’s say there’s a traditionally marginalised, opposed racial group. Let’s say times have changed somewhat and people suddenly accept them.
Well, the generational and cultural weight is still going to have a lasting effect even if times have changed, and it may be more difficult for people from that group to afford a good education, good job, good home, etc.
The point being that even if we all stopped being racist today and hired purely based on how good an employee someone will be, we’re likely still unknowingly skewing our decisions based on past social racial issues.
I’m probably not putting it very well but hopefully you get the idea! It’s probably pretty common knowledge anyway I guess haha, seems pretty obvious to me and I don’t even think about this stuff much :-)
Anyway, point is, we do still need to work as a society on ensuring diversity and fairness even when we’re not racist at all - I think the saying might be “Equity over Equality”, or such?
Obviously the USA Government are fascists, so they’re more interested in wiping out groups they don’t like, but they’re just another in a long line of evil governments that will eventually fall, no point thinking too deeply about why they’re being evil. They’ll eventually die off as all fascist regimes do. Hopefully we won’t have to fight a World War against them this time.
For context, I am an old white man engineer. I’ve worked in large and small companies over my career. Almost without fail, even with DEI policies in place, a non-white person or woman still had to be 10x more qualified than their white male counterparts to be hired. Once in the organization, they were generally put into some dead end role while far less qualified white men were advanced to higher positions. When I worked in the bible belt southeastern USA, you had the added factor of protestant christians ruling the roost too.
That’s depressing, but at least there were people like yourself who understood the backwards injustice of it all.
Some people and places have to be kicked and dragged into the modern day, alas.
Because conservatives convinced people that DEI was literally about filling a quotas at the cost of competency, because “controlling the narrative”.
“We’ll give you some money if you promise to keep the blacks out of your organisation”
I suppose that this would be against the other part, the one relative to the federal anti-discrimination laws.
based Python.
This makes me love python (the programming language) even more.
