• aggelalex@lemmy.world
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    That’s why China is ahead of the US. They don’t need to hire violent idiots for the photoshoot, they just fill the entire place with cameras and they work out the big data instead. /s

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    I don’t get something here. How do they have a facial recognition database that is accurate enough to even begin to attempt this? Yes, most Americans have some form of photo ID but many of those IDs don’t require updating the photo more than once every 10 years. Also, not everyone has a ohoto ID. How can they possibly think this database is good enough to use for determining who should be arrested?

    Beyond that, ICE has stated that they are trusting the database even over actual documentation. They say the database doesn’t lie, even if you have documentation saying otherwise…

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      As far as we know it’s not actually using any facial recognition at all.

      It could just be using the scanned face to generate fake evidence of non-citizenship. It would be SUPER easy to make an app to do this using generative AI. You know, like Grok.

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      They store the data from everytime you enter and exit the country. For citizens they claim to delete that data after a couple days- but I would not be too confident in that. So if you are a citizen ALWAYS opt out of biometric entry and exit. I’ve multiple times been told it is not an option, then being forced to wait 10 minutes- harassed about why I want to opt out, then it suddenly becomes an option. This is despite CBPs policy that you cannot be penalized for it. I have several audio recordings of this happening because I noticed how much of a pattern it was.

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        Those are optional. When they tell you to look into the camera, just hold up your hand to cover the lens and say “no thanks”

        Sometimes they frown. Usually they just say “OK”

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          CBP is relentless in its mission to safeguard the nation’s borders and the privacy of all citizens. CBP’s biometric facial comparison technology is hosted within a secure cloud-based environment and does not store biographic data for any travelers. CBP retains U.S. citizen photos for no more than 12 hours after identity verification and only for continuity of operations purposes.

          https://www.cbp.gov/travel/biometrics/privacy-policy

          Is what they claim. What you saw may have been about non-citizens

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      They don’t. These are fascists looking for an excuse to abuse people, not judges trying to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

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      Could they be secretly using this to build a database? I read that they you can’t opt out of it and you can’t get your images removed from the database afterwards.

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      seems familiar to Altman’s eye scanning orbs

      data collection for whatever reason they got plus an excuse to oppress people

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    While it is true that ICE is state sanctioned evil, most of their henchmen are fucking idiots.

    Their very sloppy attempts to disguise their faces while on the clock, is simply no match for crowd sourced doxxing, and the comprehensive and redundant databases that are currently up and running.

    Best of luck with those attempts at anonymity, ICE chuckle fucks.

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      Congrats. You identified an ICE officer. They and their backers tied you to those efforts and now you accidentally flagged as an immigrant. But I am sure someone will figure out what happened to you when you are beaten and bloody in Sudan

      The point of shit like this is to normalize the jackboots walking around scanning everyone. It is one, much more incompetent, step past “paper’s please”

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        Congrats. You identified an ICE officer. They and their backers tied you to those efforts and now you accidentally flagged as an immigrant. But I am sure someone will figure out what happened to you when you are beaten and bloody in SudanThe point of shit like this is to normalize the jackboots walking around scanning everyone. It is one, much more incompetent, step past “papers please”

        Your cowardice is understandable.

        Fighting for your freedom is typically a high risk activity.

        Just be a helpful little lamb when the shit goes down, and stay the fuck out of the way.

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          You talk big to this other guy on the internet but what are you actually doing? This shit is happening right now so what actions have you taken?

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            You talk big to this other guy on the internet but what are you actually doing? This shit is happening right now so what actions have you taken?

            Just make sure you’re not in the way when the real work needs to be done.

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      Also, what’s stopping people from signing up for ICE then leaking the names of all their colleagues? Sign up, get paid, do as much good as you can until they fire you… so long as people are loosing jobs in this shit economy, I don’t understand why we haven’t seen a single case of this yet?

      People who lost their job as part of the shutdown, what do you have to loose?

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        Well now I absolutely expect to read a future story about somebody working their way into ICE to do some good. But then before they knew it they were hauled out into the desert and told by masked men to execute a Mexican detainee like some kind of fucked up gang initiation ritual, to prove their true loyalty.

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        I don’t think anyone should comment on this post if they would do such a thing, but the economy is hard rn, lots of people losing their jobs. And ICE has a huge fucking budget next year with lots of hiring… could be a win/win for society if enough people lose their jobs and need to turn to ICE to not only get paid, but also improve society as a whole.

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        I am just going to say this:

        IT Admins usually has a LOT of access…

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      We have crowd sourcing, they have billions of dollars in tech and effectively a blank check. It’s an arms race, and we’ve already lost it.

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        We have crowd sourcing, they have billions of dollars in tech and effectively a blank check. It’s an arms race, and we’ve already lost it.

        When it’s go time, make yourself useful, and stay the fuck out of the way.

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          I’m just saying that this is going to be a 2A thing, since they are already stepping away 1A and 4A.

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    This reminds me of the marvel comic line where the Avengers discover some guy that can supposedly tell the future and then Captain Marvel goes on a witch hunt using this guy who sees people’s future even though the gang eventually figure out he’s not always right. Anyway, WTF

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    “Not a citizen” doesn’t equate not being legally in the country. For a longer time with the appropriate work visa or green card, or for a shorter time with a tourist visa. Are they hauling off tourists and legal residents if they’re not citizens?

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      Yes. Yes they are, we have many reports of them hauling off citizens, tourists, and especially legal residents.

      It’s actually the reason people are upset. Obama deported way more than trump but he used courts to do it and you know what, no spectacle! It was methodical and systematic and sometimes I’m sure it was cruel and shocking but they followed a well documented legal procedure which gave people some guidance on the process.

      rump and his administration on the other hand don’t give a fuck. Chaos and cruelty are the point. The rules and proceedings that we have built up are out the window because they give people too much warning. They allow people too much understanding of the process. There is not enough fear involved if they follow procedure. They like fear and people being afraid of them. It’s part of why the inflatable costumes piss them off so much. Protestors being ridiculous and silly juxtaposed with ICE treating inflatable frogs and unicorns as a violent threat. It makes ice look small, weak, jumpy, and most of all, in the wrong.

      But yes they are hauling off tourists and legal residents to answer your question. They then revoke whatever visa they’re on including revoke permanent residence without due process… It’s what we in the business call really fucking awful.

      You can have proof that you live here, have lived here for 20 years, legally although you might have arrived without documentation. You have a spouse, children, maybe even put together money for a house. And then ICE shows up to at you claiming that a DUI you received 18 years ago is justification for removal from the country and your family and your life. Oh and we’re shipping you back to the country where you’re on a hit list.

      It’s just cruel for the sake of cruelty.

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        This exactly. And moreover, with SCOTUS saying it’s totally OK to detain people in foreign prisons before their case (which is done online to further minimize the ability of the defense to actually do their job), they can just ship you to the country that has a hit on you, and weird, you wind up dead or beaten halfway there so you look nice and dirty for a judge who’s already likely decided to throw you wherever (but now you look like “one of them” so there’s an extra layer of justification).

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        It makes ice look small, weak, jumpy, and most of all, in the wrong.

        ICE is small, weak, jumpy, and most of all: in the wrong.

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      Depends. How dark is their skin? Have they posted any “JD” “Vance” memes? How do they feel about the Blessed Martyr Charlie Kirk?

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        2028: “This one hasn’t pledged allegiance to Nazi pedophilia. Line em up against the wall with the others.”