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A British woman who was shot dead by her father while visiting his home in Texas had argued with him about US President Donald Trump earlier that day, an inquest has heard.
Lucy Harrison, from Warrington in Cheshire, was shot in the chest on 10 January 2025 in Prosper, near Dallas.
Police in the town investigated the 23-year-old’s death as possible manslaughter but no criminal case was brought against Kris Harrison after a grand jury in Collin County declined to indict him.
An inquest into Lucy Harrison’s death opened earlier at Cheshire Coroner’s Court, where her boyfriend Sam Littler described the “big argument” about Trump, who was preparing to be inaugurated for his second term of office.
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What is going on earth? İs this real? Did he shoot his daughter because of Trump?
What the article says is they disagreed on guns and argued about Trump. They went into his room to look at his 9mm glock and according to him the gun went of and he didn’t realize his finger was on the trigger. He relapsed to alcohol and was drunk at the time.
He said: “As I lifted the gun to show her I suddenly heard a loud bang. I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell.”
Harrison said he could not recall whether his finger was on the trigger.
His finger was absolutely on the trigger, and he pulled it. Glocks don’t just go off. They’re pretty well engineered.
On the trigger or not, that’s exactly why you never “show” someone a loaded gun. Unless we are at a range and we’ve already done all the safety training and I feel that you’ve got a grasp of it, I’m not keeping a loaded gun in my hands around anyone I don’t plan on shooting.
It was pure negligence. Plain and simple. And now his daughter is dead. Accident or not, he ignored the rules and someone died from that negligence.
I don’t think it was negligence, I think it was murder that he played off as negligence.
He was drunk and had a gun… How American.
Yeah. A Taurus or a Sig, maybe. Not a Glock. There’s a reason they’re so popular. They reliably fire when the trigger is pulled and only when the trigger is pulled.
Even if it was a Sig, it was only older model P322s that had that problem. Pistols firing without pulling the trigger isn’t nearly as common as people (including, apparently, this jury) believe.
Also the P320 - which was adopted as the new standard-issue handgun for the US military.
The Air Force actually suspended their use for a few months last year after one went off uncommanded and killed an airman. They inspected them and found that over 2% were already in unsafe condition after being adopted just 5 years earlier.
And the civilan version is worse and in the middle of several lawsuits. And this is after they were recalled for not being drop-safe.
I did not understand what had happened.
Maybe he shouldn’t be allowed to own guns, just a thought.
If you accidentally killed somebody with a gun, you probably aren’t well regulated enough to be a militia.
Bro, what if the British come back?
Too soon man, too soon
We’ll never know the truth.
I shoot pretty often, and handguns are notoriously inaccurate. So I think he may very well have shot her in anger and fabricated this afterwards. Also it she was against guns, why would she follow someone, who is intoxicated, into another room, to look at one‽
This story is fishy as fuck.
Wow sounds like he really won that argument huh
I bet he’s telling the truth. Which is all kinds of even sadder than if he had shot her out of rage for a disagreement.
Maybe he is. They should have still brought charges against him.
I don’t know the US judicial system works, but Sweden has multiple tiers of criminal offenses for various kinds of violent outcomes.
Murder is premeditated and intentional. Manslaughter is not premeditated, but intentional. Then you have accidental causing of death, that is not premeditated and completely unintentional, which is still a criminal offense. The last tier is for careless drivers or workplace negligience leading to serious accidents, not for actual use of violence.
I think in this case, given that the gun was loaded, safety was off, he aimed it at her, and he more than likely had his finger on the trigger, he would have a really hard time getting away with manslaughter even.
It’s wild that it seems Texas prosecutors basically just dropped the case.
Obligatory IANAL, but I think US law is similar. Murder is any premeditated killing of another person. Voluntary manslaughter seems to be spontaneously but intentionally killing another person, and involuntary manslaughter involves criminal negligence that results in someone dying on accident. It seems here they have decided that he was not criminally negligent… Despite the fact that he was drinking, the gun was loaded, he pointed it at her, etc
Texas corruption is just out here showing its ass on the world stage. I would guess some Kool Aid drinking gun nuts got put on the grand jury and empathized with the guy.
Edit: Well, after reading the NY Times article on it, it sounds like the prosecutors office didn’t really try to make a case to the grand jury. The girl’s mother is quoted as saying: She also said that the grand jury in Texas “seemed to have no option but to conclude” that “no prosecution could be brought, based on the evidence they were presented with.”
IRL Sir Norman Fry testimony. Just not funny.
Sunk-cost fallacy.
Trumpers don’t want to admit to themselves or each other that they’ve been duped, so they just keep digging their hole deeper.
Trump supporter=Erdogan supporter i think.
Sort of like the “Russia Russia Russia” people …
Oh no, sorry, the Russian that lives inside my washing machine just showed me a gif, and now my eyes are like those cartoon spirals of hypnotized people!
Send help!!
He said it was an accident. I think a different article I read on this said he went back to treatment for alcoholism after this. This kinda suggests he was too drunk to remember. The other article noted the dad is not the one that called the ambulance which would more commonly be the case in an accidental shooting. But if he was drunk idk.
“YOU DON’T TALK ABOUT MY FAVORITE PEDOPHILE LIKE THAT!!!”
Boy howdy are my lawyers gonna have a time with anything I post here.
Explain
Seeing as like two cases of illegal immigrants killing pretty white girls is being constantly used as justification of deporting all illegal immigrants, does this mean we can use this as justification of deporting all MAGA supporters?
nothing new. for texhas
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Do not argue about politics with the people you are close. It is hard to change their mind, and conflicts happen. Argue with the people that you dont care.
This is how you get fascist into power. People are too scared to convince their family and friends to do the right thing and vote against extremism. You’d rather go out and harass strangers instead of convince the people who are present in your life.
If they are eager to hear you, you can obviously talk to them, but when it becomes a fight, it will just be a waste of time.
…or be prepared to get shot…?
You picked the worst possible place for this kind of advice, mate!
You are right dude, but it is hard to give that advice randomly. This topic is a little bit related. And I got into physical conflict with my mom because of the same reason.
So, this is a big conflict, but it shows the tip of the icebergLet’s flip this argument on its head: family is potentially the best place for political discussions, as it’s one of the few places in life where bonds should be tightest, respect should be mutual and all actors should act in good faith. It should be the safest of spaces and, if intact, should be able to easily withstand disagreements on things outside the family, such as politics. If it doesn’t - like in this case, apparently-, doesn’t that tell us more about the family in question, and/or the state of political debate in our country?
Nah, they fascis who support a pedophile. They need to know they stupid, wrong, and dangerous.
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Dude what
Low quality bait
possible manslaughter
beyond doomed country
In order for it to be manslaughter you’d have to consider the victim a person.
Couldn’t even get a grand jury indictment. No doubt the local yokels closed ranks. Made up some nonsense about it being an accident.
morbidly curious about whether the piece of shit feels any guilt at all about killing his daughter over a conman… what the fuck am i saying of course he doesn’t he probably posted about it on facebook and the 50 different bots with a bald men with sunglasses pfp all 😂😂😂 reacted and he felt like he saved his country or whatever
edit: I read the article this was blatantly a murder by an alcoholic magat what the FUCK. like who is actually buying this?? he had a big argument with his daughter and then just “wanted to show her his new handgun”??? death to amerikkka
Reminder that the people who lynched Ahmaud Arbery almost got away with it until they were stupid enough to release the footage of the murder, thinking it would exonerate them and people would call them heroes. Over two months with no arrests.
You’re right why am I even acting surprised. neonazi country
Well to be fair after WW2 we executed all the rank and file Nazis but most of the leadership we brought over here to help us organize our society I’m pretty sure.
Did you miss the part of the article with his answer to “what if I was one of the women trump raped”?
I did, it’s paywalled.
No I was trying to cool off and not fedpost this is genuinely beyond words
More likely the prosecutor just didn’t show any evidence. The prosecutor has so much influence over whether there is or isn’t an indictment.
It’s perfectly on brand for the USA, really. This uppity woman didn’t listen to the man of the house, so he had to wave his gun around to remind her of her place. He was so distraught at his authority being questioned that his gun accidentally went off while it was pointed at his daughter. The guy feels bad, so it’s OK. Plus, as he said himself,
Kris Harrison had replied that he had two other daughters who lived with him so it [his daughter being sexually assaulted] would not upset him that much.
killing your family and dying alone to own the libs
I’m sure he’ll meet all sorts of new friends from the inevitable GoFundMe
His true family was the magats he found along the way. How heart-warming.
The article gets way worse, "Littler said on the morning of 10 January his partner had asked her father during the Trump row:
“How would you feel if I was the girl in that situation and I’d been sexually assaulted?”
Kris Harrison had replied that he had two other daughters who lived with him so it would not upset him that much. "
Holy fucking shit.
Trump supporters are not good people
goodrealOh, they are very very real.
I personally know at least 10 people that are this person. I’ve been threatened with violence for voicing my opposition to Trump. Supposed Christians threatening violence because I don’t like their pedophile conman. They’re a bunch of little bitches.
Revelation 13:16.
It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads
You’d think Christians would be more aware of walking around with a symbol on their forehead (maga hats), but amazingly it takes an athiest who actually knows the bible to point it out, and booooooooy do they fuckin hate hearing it.
I’d be embarrassed to use their own scripture against them, because it would feel like I was admitting to believing it when I don’t.
Its just a book, dude.
Literally no different than using quotes from lord of the rings to highlight the unsettling similarities between Saurons evil and GenAI.
Yeah that’s also pretty silly
I find that self-declared christians often make the worst Christians.
Construction is infested with Trump supporters. They’re always entitled imbeciles but there’s a lot of them
This is how I know he murdered his own daughter.
Yeah I was about to post the same shit. That is disgusting that is his fuckin daughter for fuck sake.
Texas should be nuked without question. That state is not worth saving after they said they wouldn’t indicate him.
Fuckin magats are willing to let their children get raped for the pedo god king trump.
I’ve been thinking about that for a few minutes now. Does it mean he considers them property which loose value by being raped?
That reply just doesn’t make sense to me.
I dont think its a well reasoned response.
I chose to be homeless at 19 because I was terrified my stepdad would find out I’d been raped and kill me for not being a virgin any more.
Harrison said he could not recall whether his finger was on the trigger.
I do not like Glocks. Quite simply, I prefer pistols with a manual safety which Glocks do not have. That said, a Glock WILL NOT FIRE unless your finger is on the trigger. A Glock’s safety mechanism is on the trigger itself.
If you are going to own a firearm, GO TO TRAINING. Trigger discipline should be muscle memory so that even piss drunk you keep your finger off the goddamn trigger until youbare ready to pull. If the guy was trained in firearm use, then he 100% murdered his daughter on purpose.
MAGA is a cult and its members are mentally ill.
I practice trigger discipline with fucking nerf blasters
I practice trigger discipline with my power tools
If I so much as want to change the bit on my drill I switch it off and disconnect the power source before getting my fingers anywhere near the service end of it. Is that excessive? Probably but I certainly think the time expense is worth taking extra steps to avoid an ER visit
So, I just bought a handgun, after 6 hours of range instruction time, and we tried a bunch of makes. Only one of them had a regular non-trigger safety.
“Don’t aim a gun at anything you don’t want to destroy”
“Keep your booger hook off the bang lever”
Yeah, if you are going to checks notes point your gun at your daughter, at least have some goddamn checks notes trigger discipline!
I"m giving that piece of shit A LOT of leeway by assuming he wasn’t purposefully pointing the gun at her and rather just holding it to show. (That’s cutting about ten miles of slack.) If that’s what he was doing (doubtful) then he should not have had his finger on the trigger.
My gut tells me that his MAGA poisoned brain, having the impulse control impaired by alcohol, pointed the gun at her and his finger twitched, because deep down he wanted to “kill the b!t¢h” that dared insult his god emperor. The bang instantly sobered him up and broke his hateful trance. That’s when he started cryring for
mommyhis wife.The bang instantly sobered him up and broke his hateful trance. That’s when he started cryring for
mommyhis wife.Yeah, I doubt this. AT MOST, this person will just stop talking about politics, and if we’re lucky, never vote again.
But chances are he’s still a full-throated Republican
This is a direct reference to the events as per the article. I’d normally recommend reading the article but in this case I can guarantee that doing so will only decrease your quality of life.
I’d normally recommend reading the article but in this case I can guarantee that doing so will only decrease your quality of life.
Holy fucking shit you’re not kidding this was a clear cut honor killing and he fucking got away with it
I have had multiple daughters. Most have pissed me off beyond belief. I’ve went out shooting with them as well. No way in hell I’m pointing a gun at anyone unless I plan to shoot that person. That’s basic gun knowledge and safety.
You also don’t have a MAGA rotted hatebrain. These guys (MAGA zealots) are mentally ill.
Nah he’s a magat POS. They fantasize about murdering libs and anyone else who disagrees with maga even slightly. He 100% shot her on purpose and then lied to make it sound like an accident. That’s how far gone these psychos are.
absolute fucking lunacy
Yeah, there is perhaps no pistol more known for unequivocally not firing unless the trigger is fully pressed from the center. There are in fact three different independent safeties in a glock. Man murdered his daughter, I do not accept complete ignorance of firearm use as a defense for someone who owns a gun and chose to pull out a loaded weapon and point it at someone.
I don’t disagree, I just wanted to point out that “the gun just went off” is absolute bullshit with a Glock. The rest is just me being way too generous. Best case scenario (for him), because it was a Glock, he should have been charged with involuntary or negligent manslaughter. If they charge parents for leaving a gun unlocked which leads to a child’s death, then why the hell would they nit charge that piece of shit.
I read the rest of the article, I regret it. Earlier that day his daughter had asked him how he would feel if one of the women Trump sexually assaulted had been her and he responded he had two other daughters who lived with him so he wouldn’t be all that bothered. What a piece of shit. Oh also he’d relapsed and had a
bottlebox of wine. Checks out.
Thank you. I was too lazy to add it myself.
Am I understanding this correctly, that the Glock safety is on the trigger itself? That seems really fucked up. Other than meeting a technicality, it useless, no?
It means the only way for it to fire is to fully pull the trigger it can’t “go off for no reason”
The gun also had to be loaded and cocked…
Unless it’s whatever Sig was that had a recall. And the firing mechanism could still slip from certain impacts. But those don’t have anything to do with the safety; an additional safety isn’t going to fix those.
If a person is trained to use a firearm then both styles are effective, but yes a glock is more dangerous around idiots because they think it won’t fire and they have no trigger discipline.
Can anybody buy a gun like this? I appreciate laws will vary between states. If so shouldn’t there be safety measure to idiot proof killing devices?
In america yes. Its not legal to conceal and carry without a permit but buying one isn’t much trouble. We have decided guns are on the honor system.
Some states, such as mine, have done away with concealed carry permits even. I believe they call it “constitutional carry”.
Damn, thats patriotic.
I did last week, and walked out with it that day. I had 6 hours of instruction very focused on safety and discipline. Most I tried had safeties like this, not at all just glocks.
And I’ve seen multiple threads online insisting people should keep their gun loaded and chambered at home, even though they’ll likely never need it for defense, and it takes under 2 seconds to slap in a mag and cock it. And if the gun were pre-cocked, it would just chamber automatically anyway.
Yes. Yeah. Basically, yes.
Dude admitted he was an alcoholic who had already had a bottle of wine before the shooting, and they couldn’t get a manslaughter charge to at least go to trial? Being drunk and accidentally killing someone is manslaughter.
This country is so fucked up.
In religiously paternalistic Texas, killing one’s own children is a God-given biblical right.
Unless they’re unborn! There is nothing more sacred than an unborn baby. Born babies can get discarded, though.
She was slandering Dorito Jesus, if anything he’s a hero.
I have heard it said that the prosecution has enormous power over what grand juries get to hear, to such an extent that grand jury results are mostly just a way of formalizing what the prosecutor has already decided. If the state wants an indictment, the state pretty much always gets one.
Served on grand jury, can confirm. In general they will lay it out how they want. You clearly can get their bias in wanting to pursue and not pursue cases.
That and the general “hive mind” lead to very predictable outcomes, especially when you can get early dismissal once you’ve cleared your docket.
Man shoots daughter dead and everyone’s just okay with it because she didn’t like Trump?! The fuck is going on down there? How have you existed as a country this long?!
Man shoots daughter dead and everyone’s just okay with it because she didn’t like Trump?!
It’s like South Asian “honor” murders where women are killed for even the most trivial matters.
That’s a good point. Pointless and senseless but makes sense to some in some convoluted way to justify it. Just sad that it is acceptable. And what honour they aim for over such a shitty example of humanity?!
Literally, these are honor killings. Full stop. Take a look at the gender makeup of these anti-ICE protests and then take a look at the ICE goons.
It’s patriarchy, and people fighting patriarchy. It’s always been about white guys feeling terrified of their power eroding, and since white patriarchy has no coherent acceptable response other than rage, their first resort is everyone else’s last resort.
Fascism is about man always sitting at the head of the table and wearing the pants.
This has been going on forever, all Trumpism did was give it a shape so that it could make the news.
It also goes on everywhere in the world, all the time.
Our species is not what you think it is, and I am sad for every thinking, feeling person who thinks they know how bad the situation is, but hasn’t yet had that moment where it all sinks.
WHAT THE FUCK! THE GRANDJURY REFUSE TO INDICT? This total bullshit hang that motherfucking dad from a fucking tree.
WHAT THE FUCK! THE GRANDJURY REFUSE TO INDICT?
Grand jury: We protect one of our own.
It’s clear the DA has a motive to mislead them.
A jury of peers
A jury of many beers
This is next level disturbing.
This is Texas
They were all cleaning their guns at the time.
After they have witnesses of him telling her he didn’t care if she got raped!
Texas, I swear to God. I am from there, all of my family is there. My daughters adore their cousins and beg to move there. Absolutely not.
My MAGA Dad raised his hand like he was going to hit me at Christmas during a political discussion. I was shocked. He is old and feeble, so I told him I would hit him back.
Texas is a shithole and they only people who don’t realize it have lived there their entire lives.
I have an acquaintance whose husband wants to move to Texas, and like not a major city in Texas. I have some serious side eye for the whole situation.
I’m on the fence on this one. How old are they?
On the visit home over Christmas, the idea crossed my mind of retiring there, and I got fairly homesick. I miss the arid, rugged climate. I hate the cold. Being close to family would be nice, and Texas could use more hard-headed, angry liberals. But it’s too dangerous until my uterus is old and broken down and while I’m responsible for other people with functional or soon-to-be-functional uterii. Texas also has water shortage on the near-term horizon from shitty resource management, so it’s best to wait and see where that goes.
But my point is, everyone wants to go home to die, right?
She had elementary school children (including a daughter).
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Texas. Not even once.
And risk breaking a branch? There’s a perfectly good gun right there!
