things will go from ACCEPTABLE

Most people aren’t (social?) fascists like you though and don’t find genocide acceptable

There’s a lot to respond to here. I’ll go point by point.

You really don’t care that the guy who has empowered racists and bigots again, idealises Putin and is clearly going to try to overthrow the government a second time is now VERY clearly setting things up for the next coup?

You don’t care that this is clearly a COMPONENT of overthrowing the election

There are so many issues to unpack here. Trump’s base is a reactionary, anti-establishment movement, clearly. This should be expected in a society that is ran by and for an elite class.

I’m online quite a bit and I haven’t noticed many Trumpers idolizing Putin, but I wouldn’t care if they did. It’s within their rights. The notion that Putin is trying to overthrow our government is unfounded at best. I have yet to see any credible evidence of Russian interference. This strikes me as a McCarthyism Revival that only seems to work on liberals.

As for the claim of not only a coup, but a second coup: I don’t think that a reasonable person believes that an angry mob storming a government building would have a snowballs chance in hell at actually carrying out a coup. This isn’t the 17th century. You don’t just take over a building today and expect to be able to control the country.

Trump hasn’t only made things bad in the US, he’s made thing bad INTERNATIONALLY

Yeah, I wasn’t a fan of what little foreign policy decisions he made. I did like that he pulled out of Syria, however.

Trump also is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in the US due to COVID

Okay? Biden is too. It feels like you’re under the impression that I support Trump, which I never claimed to.

Remember when he used to call it “China flu”, explicitly as a shoutout to racists? Every time he even says the word “China”, he says it in some weird way. His own staff has also been fairly open that he was making up stuff during covid on the spot (and it was obvious)

Oh, and he is a fan of China permanently electing someone though (ie, dictatorship).

Yeah, I agree that Trump is racist and a generic fascist strongman. This isn’t a revelation. I assume that the subtext is that Biden isn’t a fascist? We’d disagree on that. Biden and Trump certainly have different styles, but they both seem to embrace the deep state and the dictatorship of capital.

The bank crisis was a problem, and internationally, they were all seemingly bailed out. It’s a whataboutism, but you know what helps the economy and workers? Yes, the rich paying taxes, and not lying to banks when getting a loan.

I’m not even sure how you got to this thought process. “Whataboutism” has completely lost its meaning at this point. I don’t think you appreciate the gravity of our political situation. Politicians work for the ultra wealthy. We don’t live in a democracy. They aren’t going to do anything that would jeopardize the elites’ position in society.

They’ve also created a war against Trans people. And it is starting to spread to other countries. I have plenty of Gay, “Woke” and Trans people in my meetup groups. And lots of foreigners. And I honestly have a higher level of respect for them than other people. They’re really good people

I agree. I like the LGBT community as well.

People like Tate have gained power by Trump’s actions.

I it’s difficult to draw a line between Trump and Tate directly. I personally think it’s a larger reactionary movement in society, and Trump and Tate are symptoms of a larger societal sickness.

He’s already attacking our international relations expert / Ex PM (Kevin Rudd) here in Australia in advance. And Kevin Rudd was basically the guy who saved us during Covid because of his negotiating skills and set up AUKUS. Rudd is more qualified than Trump (and, was actually fairly well-liked when he was Prime Minister)

No comment here, I’m not familiar with this topic.

Speaking of big pharma, sure, what about the guy who is negotiating the price of drug costs to lower them?

Reducing drug prices, especially at the paltry scale Biden negotiated for, is a measly concession that doesn’t challenge the underlying power structure of Big Pharma’s racketeering. Drug production should be nationalized.

What about the guys who pushed medical coverage for all (same as we have here in Australia).

Ah, you’re Australian. I was thinking “this person must have been born yesterday” for many of my responses lol. I mean no offense. I can’t say that I know another country as well as you the US, even with the corrections I’ve offered.

Yeah, medical coverage for all should be table-stakes.

What about the guy whose own son was ALLOWED by the president to get prosecuted. If you need to see honor, there is likely no harder thing to watch as a parent. In contrast, Trump gave his family members positions of power.

I think this was about Hunter Biden? I honestly didn’t follow that story too closely. I recall it dealt with the Biden family’s racketeering, selling political favors, etc. The court system is highly politicized in this country.

Nepotism is everywhere in our society. We are a far cry from a meritocracy.

Also, if you’re referring to fentanyl, they are targeting now fentanyl now to try to attack it. they’re not “watching”. Fentanyl is a serious problem worldwide.

The opioid epidemic in the US predated the Fentanyl crisis. The opioid epidemic came from the systemic over-prescription of opioids to treat pain. The industry was aware of the dangers, but ignored them and profited as 500,000 Americans died of overdoses over a couple of decades. Doctors eventually stopped prescribing opioid which caused people to seek opioids off the street, which was far more dangerous, even before fentanyl made its way into the streets.

The great financial crisis can also be attributed to the rise in opioid use as many Americans lost their houses and livelihoods. It was an incredibly dark time for the working class.

The government didn’t do anything to help citizens and families who were suffering. The Sackler family owned the main drug company responsible for producing the prescription opioids that killed so many people. They also bribed doctors to prescribe the opioids at a massive scale.

The Sacklers got a slap on the wrist and that was it.

What about the guy who vetoed legislation which would remove protections for some endangered species

I don’t know about this, but it doesn’t sound significant, especially considering the amount of oil he allowed to be drilled in Alaska.

What about the guy who is actively saving people’s health (and generating jobs), by pushing EV’s.

EVs make sense in some climates, but they come with their own environmental and socioeconomic problems. The minerals used for batteries are extracted by slaves in Africa and the mining process isn’t good for the local ecosystem. I need to read more into this.

And he’s trying to make US safer by more Gun controls, which he is having trouble getting through.

IMO this is a case of treating a symptom instead of a root cause. Mass shootings are happening because our society is fragmenting. People are overworked, precarious, and have no access to healthcare or mental healthcare. Fixing healthcare and worker’s rights would alleviate the crisis. I’m not even a gun-owner, but I never want to be in a situation where our fascist government has guns and citizens can’t own guns.

He’s trying to eliminate tax subsidies for Gas and Oil companies, and instead spending that money on renewables

Allowing for substantial oil-drilling is a funny way of going about this.

He’s reduced inflation…

He reduced the rate of inflation. He still printed 30% of the US’ money supply, which has predictably led to significant inflation.

The fact is, is Trump wins, things will go from ACCEPTABLE to REALLY BAD internationally. From where I’m watching here in Australia, Biden is doing plenty.

“Acceptable” is subjective, I suppose. I don’t find our government acceptable in the slightest. Anything short of democracy is tyranny.

Please understand that our media companies (CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc.) are state propaganda. Our elites fall into factions that struggle for political power, which is evident in the ostensible differences between, say, Fox and MSNBC, but both companies are merely propaganda mouthpieces for the ultra-wealthy.

**AND DEFINITELY VOTE PEOPLE, FOR THE GOOD OF THE ENTIRE PLANET. **

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Do not listen to these Right-Wing nutjobs who are relying on discouraging people from voting next election.

I hope you don’t think I’m right-wing at this point. Notice my username.

Unfortunately, facts don’t matter to most people. Humans are emotional first. You say a bunch of stuff that clashes with their beliefs and group membership, and you hit a fight or flight response. They’re not going to listen because losing group cohesion tells the brain you’re going to die alone in the desert.

Think about how you feel when someone contradicts something you’re emotionally invested in. Your favorite band sucks. Most people aren’t going to calmly evaluate the situation.

Consider: the US Government deserves to be overthrown.

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Why do you shitlibs always make vague accusations instead of specifically enumerating the lies you perceive? You’re all too cowardly to just say what you actually think because you know what you actually think is wet dogshit.

I’d ecstatically take four more years of this

Watch out, you’re forgetting about the “crypto” part of cryptofascism

Its literally the same picture except one is tinted blue and the other is tinted red.

See my second paragraph. The same applies for the executive branch elections. We can’t reform this. Direct action is the only solution.

Let’s be honest, he’s never kept his desires private.

Yeah it’s a ratchet effect. One click on a ratchet may not be significant, but you keep on ratcheting eventually a nut comes loose and things fall apart.

is the policies that may destroy the lives of whatever minorities the Republicans decide to target

What paticular policies could do this?

But do you not understand my point, I feel like this whole post is the meme where you have the dog in hell saying “At least we dont have mean tweets!” I look and see multiple things about how trump is mean and then there is not a single notice how things are falling apart (other than gaza).

Is Biden dealing with immigration?

Its not the same sort of thing. Kathy whoever the fuck doesn’t have friends who put people in oil drums, and AFAIK has never attempted a fascist coup.

If you wanted to hang a bloody hyper realistic effigy of Jojo burning in a tree, your statement would be true (except for the tree. be nicer to trees)

I think it’s one thing for a private citizen to do this, but it would be another thing for a sitting/former president running for election to do the same

I didn’t know Kathy Griffin was a man. Or did it not count when Trump?

Nah, president has broader recognition

Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds

When you don’t https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_socialism

Yes. That’s literally the point I’ve made. These are all better options than Trump. I don’t know why this is so difficult for people to grasp.

And come on, “genocide” is a strong specific word and not what’s happening in Gaza. There are mass casualties in an unjust attack on civilians. Just because something is indefensible and heinous does not at all mean it’s literal genocide. There’s an attack on locations where terrorists are presumed to be hiding. I’m not going to defend it but I’m not an Israeli who just suffered the worse attack on my country ever with my family held hostage underneath schools and hospitals.

I’m not supporting genocide nor am I supporting this war. I am suggesting that a slightly more right leaning democratic president is preferable over Donald fucking Trump.

This should not by any means be a controversial opinion outside the most braindead of cultists. How anyone could possibly suggest that Donald Trump is better than literally anyone else is absolutely not within my ability to comprehend. I would prefer someone like Warren or AOC but I would sooner vote for Desantis over Trump.

I don’t know why you’ve thrown fentanyl in there. Doesn’t everyone want to declare war on that? Otherwise, do republicans want war with these countries so much that they’d vote for Biden if he declared war with them (which a president is technically unable to do)?

the horror

Heck, he could shoot a guy on 5th avenue and get away with it. A specific guy

If I’m to assume you are a grown adult, the way you argue with someone you label as a “genocide lover” is to wish death upon them?

See folks, this is the problem with cultists. They have no sense of reality. They live solely in their bubbles.

I’ll have you know that I am not a one-issue voter. While I’ve always had concerns over Israel’s treatment of Palestine and viewed Netanyahu as a hateful warmonger, I understand there are complex issues on the other side of the world which I have limited knowledge of based on reporting I seek out and trust. Which is to say, very few realities are black and white. You can be opposed to genocide and be in favor of retrieving hostages and be opposed to zionism while also supporting a government and military that stands in the way of total disaster and even greater loss of life in the region.

The world is complex. I’m sure your family or your job or your neighborhood is complex. I’m sure people have made assumptions about you and your life without proper context. Maybe someone hates you for a thing you did (granted, not genocide) but they don’t know all the good things you’ve done or how much love is in your heart.

I can choose to re-elect a not-perfect US President that isn’t someone who’s running on a campaign to do all he can to dismantle the foundation of the country I’m a citizen of. I’m not the biggest fan of this country but we do at least have a president who’s open to listening to the people. Do you think DT would listen and change his mind on anything that doesn’t empower him?

The federal government supporting equity.