Oh, look, a post on Lemmy about Windows. I’m excited to engage in a unique, nuanced discussion about the topic of the post!
So glad I’m not on Reddit where people just repeat the same predictable thing over and over then jerk each other off.
(I use Linux too. But I hate seeing copy+paste Linux shilling on every Windows post. It’s preaching to the choir and uninspired.)
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Linux. The operating system is extremely nuanced, and without a solid grasp of command-line interfaces and system architecture, most of the concepts will go over a typical user’s head. There’s also the community’s open-source philosophy, which is intricately woven into its development—its principles draw heavily from the ideals of free software and collaborative coding. The true enthusiasts grasp this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to appreciate the depths of these systems, to realize that they’re not just functional—they represent a radical shift in computing. As a consequence, people who dislike Linux truly ARE uninformed; of course, they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the brilliance behind commands like “sudo,” which itself is a profound commentary on user permissions and control. I’m smirking right now just imagining those confused novices scratching their heads in bewilderment as the power of the terminal unfolds before them. What fools… how I pity them. And yes, by the way, I DO have a Linux tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the tech-savvy eyes only—and even they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
Quick question, was that an existing copypasta or did you come up with it
It’s the Rick and Morty copy pasta reworked for Linux.
You don’t like people fervently ignore it the article and just broken recording “install Linux” and “Linux is so much better than it used to be”?
Cool. I use Linux for something and windows for others and Mac for others!
How and why do you have 3 operating systems. Across how many platforms?
Software engineering work.
Mac for code and other work tasks
Windows for personal use during work
Linux for hosted applications and side projects.
Oh OK. Makes sense. Hosted applications and side projects is like programming stuff? For non programmers do you use your Linux for anything else?
It’s all part of the authentic lemmy experience.
Wtf is this a reasonable comment to discuss a nuanced topic where a person who never used Linux and has no desire to can maybe find options to adjust and keep my windows from enshittifying?
Inb4 get linux
I get it. I just don’t want to learn a new operating system. And to make it work for most of what I use my computer for.
What did you learn about Windows that makes your knowledge about it so in depth that you can’t separate from it any longer?
Besides using it since Windows 95, I’ve done everything on it. Warez, making shady software work, learning the ins and outs to keep it my way.
I thought about switching since I’ve dabbled in dual boot before, but I just f don’t want to be restarting my computer to keep switching between OS when one can do all I want with some baggage, and the other can do less without it.
Mainly for me it’s compatibility. Discord, MW3, networking between my main PC and HTPC. Online gaming with friends. Full steam support.
It just works. Switching to Linux, finding a distro that will encompass what I do, running into problems, having to fix them, or worst case scenario finding out that I can’t do the thing (mw3 or any game that has denuvo) without having to switch back to windows anyways in a dual boot I just don’t see why having Linux to do anything that I’m already doing on windows is worth it. Why have dual boot. Removing the annoying windows baggage is just not enough for me to switch.
I just now switched from chrome to Firefox because they finally implemented the removal of anti ad extensions. It was an easy switch. The UI is a little different. But I hate nothing more than ads. Despise them. And paying to remove them isn’t an option because it means I’m giving into the hostage situation.
If windows becomes unmanageable, I can’t find ANY software to remove ads, even remove windows features that I can’t live with, then I’ll consider sacrificing the few things I can’t do on Linux and move to Linux.
I just feel like a fool for buying win10 and then upgrading to the Pro license a couple years back for something like $300 in total, only to keep getting completely irrelevant ads shoved down my throat. Buy Xbox game pass (never cared about it), MS365 subscription (I already had it, why do I get ads for it?), One Drive (I already had this as well), etc. And I’ve been with MS since DOS days and then the whole shebang as well. It’s just unacceptable to me.
I’ve also been dragging along data from one old hdd to the next as I kept upgrading, with some files still being retained from the 90s. I have a lot of demo scene material and what not, and one day when exploring the directories, I’ve noticed that a lot of them had now missing executables. Defender removed them without as much as a warning. Rummaging through some other directories, I’ve noticed that some of my late father’s files are gone from his personal directory (from when we shared my PC on occasion). It included some silly stuff like the Terrorists’ Handbook. But wait, there’s more.
Mainly for me it’s compatibility. Discord, MW3, networking between my main PC and HTPC. Online gaming with friends. Full steam support.
These just work under Linux perfectly fine. Except for maybe MW3. The fotm shooter sponsored by the genocidal US army. But not sure what you even mean by full Steam support. Steam IS Linux. And I’m using Datcord instead of Discord, to avoid electronJS (Chromium).
I’ve only switched end of August, after trialing another distro on a laptop during the summer to see if I can do studies and work stuff on it (no gaming). Everything worked there out of box. Once I had axed my C$300 copy of windows from my main PC (lol sunk cost fallacy) my distro of choice took a bit more time to set up, but I haven’t had this much fun with tinkering on something since the 90s. And if something doesn’t want to work right away, the answer is usually one search or LLM prompt away. I understand now why “man” is not even included in a lot of distros by default nowadays.
Oh. Maybe I shouldn’t share this but I never paid for a windows product. Even office when it went to 360 I stopped trying to pirate earlier versions and just switched to free open source office tools.
Windows 8 I think got authenticated when it went to 10 and I’ve just been riding that install. Still got my handy USB stick whenever I reinstall.
The shooter game is just a time killer for me. Dopamine memories from better times. The problem with using compatible apps is not all my friends will. Is datcord communicate directly with discord users? We already have a technologic dichotomy with half my friends on iPhone other on Android. Xbox vs Playstation vs pc gaming. It’s tough to get people on the same page.
Datcord is just a Firefox based wrapper for Discord, instead of electron (which the Discord thick client uses). But you could just use a flatpak discord probably.
Cool, now I can try and remember to get fully migrated to Linux before October next year.
Honestly, i predict people and businesses will keep using Win10 years after it’s become unsafe. We’ve all seen the local warehouse still running Windows 7, i’m thinking that scenario but for millions of users.
That’s a cybersecurity problem, but what i’m most concerned with is the e-waste problem, because there’s still going to be a lot of users that do replace their PC. There aren’t enough Linux users to buy all the computers that will be rendered obsolete, and there won’t be by then either. I myself am a new Linux user but i’m already covered, i don’t need more computers, not even for cheap.
I just really hope this doesn’t end with millions of good computers landfilled or parted. The third world already buys a lot of our e-waste, so i hope they’ll get a crapton of relatively good computers for cheap and run either Win10 or Linux
We’ve all seen the local warehouse still running WIndows 7
Why would they stop? They don’t need the internet. They gain nothing by using a different version of windows.
Most (hopefully all) computers in industry running outdated OSs are disconnected from the internet for that exact reason.
It will legit be a fantastic era for Linux on the desktop though… imagine how cheap we’ll be able to get perfectly good hardware.
I think so too, but like i said there’s only so many computers that you can find a use for.
I think. That wasn’t a challenge, don’t prove me wrong
Literally moved everything to Linux (Nobara) like 3 weeks ago and the only thing I can’t get to work is Bizhawk which I can easily get around. It’s insane how far Linux has come for gaming and whatnot.
I was thinking how, back in the day, the most popular web browser was IE, which wasn’t on Linux. Now the most popular browser is Chrome, which has been on Linux since 2009 or whenever it was.
And of course lots of other big software is on Linux, like VS Code, Zoom, Slack, Skype. And Linux is on the Steam Deck. So yes I agree, Linux has come a long way.
Frrr I distrohopped alot till I landed to cachyos its not that bad anymore
“Switch to Linux” is always the answer but a Nvidia graphics card, Stream Deck, and GoXLR are all things I use every single day, with no official linux support I’m never going to be able to use it as a daily driver. I have plenty of VMs that I run Linux on, but it’s just a non-starter for my day to day gaming rig.
MS should have done what they said and made W10 “the last version of windows” instead of doing the typical corpo bullshit and coming out with an even worse version.
As someone who switched to Linux, and found reasons not to for literal decades, this has helped me:
Have a second ssd in your PC that is untarnished by the windows bootloader.
This way one can easily switch via BIOS / UEFI and no other annoying software.
Dual booting is also less annoying, if you switch via boot menu. It lets you test drive and configure Linux anytime you’re in the headspace for it and reduces pressure on yourself.
Install linux on it. My current favorite for your situation would be Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop Spin (what a mouthful). Have another exfat partitioned usb disk ready for file exchange with windows. Again, this makes handling windows easier, has nothing to do with linux.
Nvidia on fedora works good enough. third party repos also help a lot.
streamdeck is wonderful hardware, I know a friend who uses it daily with streamdeck_ui
- same with GoXLR Configuration Utility. Software is there, the only question is does it work for you.
This is to my knowledge as close to “official” as you can get. Good luck on your journey!
That will be my next plan, 2 NVMe boot disks, but that may not be before next year. I’ve been using PopOS, fedora, and Mint in VMs for about a year now just messing around and getting a handle on the GUI side of things since most of my debian containers are cli only.
I’ll look into GoXLR and Streamdeck plugins again, thank you for that, I looked a while ago and it was a long way from my comfort level, but given the amount of docker/debian I’ve messed with in the last year, that may be attainable now.
I’m starting to set up a dual boot and this helps me. I have a 1TB SSD with Windows, and later bought a 2TB SSD for games. I’ve shrunk the latter’s partition so I can set up Linux, and I may reconfigure bios to make that the default boot device.
Other people pointed out that nvidia and the goxlr have software, but you should know that theres a linux app for the stream deck.
Not trying to make you do something you don;t want to do, but my Nvidia machine is working seemingly perfectly with bazzite, I’d assume the other fedora immutables with different focuses might work as well.
Thank you, I know I have more homework to do on this before I make a final decision, but the more info the better.
Dude Tc helicon dropped software support for the GoXLR 1 year ago, indeed the community continuing the support for this device was at first a GoXLR control software for Linux that, after some time, became a windows app too. https://github.com/GoXLR-on-Linux/GoXLR-Utility
Holy crap, I had no idea. Someone else posted that utility as well, I’m going to bookmark it for when I get another NVMe to put a linux distro on
Back in my day it was Lynx 2012 / apocalypse / whatever it was called saying that was the last Lynx they’d ever make. To my annoyance, it turns out they were lying. Although I don’t tend to hang out with the sort of people that blast themselves with Lynx so I guess it makes no difference either way
Good. I happen to know companies that will have to kick out some rather nice machines that happen to be just under spec for Win11. Those machines are still top for running Linux.
HDR support and Adobe support… All I really still need…
Plasma on Wayland does have HDR support now… But I don’t have a way to test how good it is, and I think it’s both still unfinished and severely lacking support from applications. But hey, things are improving!
I wouldn’t count on Adobe support though.
Yeah, Adobe is the worst.
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Hdr support is only rlly a thing on kde, and I think gnome is implementing it, and adobe… No thanks.
mine hasnt been updated for about 3.5 years now. not having online access has its moments
But you had to fax this comment in.
see? your limited understanding of the many ways to communicate are on full display
I’m curious. How are you sending these messages without Internet access? I too am ignorant to the many ways of achieving this.
a little doodad called a cell phone
…which has internet access?
Graphic card ist what get’s me nervos
Cant wait to erase windows in October 14 2025 I just need better app support for me idc a out adobe Microsoft office and stuff and roblox I have a few options sober or delete roblox thinking of deleting roblox due to the moderation thing
That was some sentence.
True just my plans and stuff
Have my second pc on running Linux mint for about half a year now and it’s been a pleasure so far.
I think I’ll be prepared to switch over fully in a year.
So fucking refuse to switch over to 11
Me too, but im betting windows 10 gets an extension. Microsoft will take too much flack ending support while so many people are still on 10 and too many computers that can’t upgrade are still in use. They’re going for a scare tactic to try and fluff up 11’s numbers a bit before doing it is my guess. 62% of computers are still on 10 right now. They won’t end support.
I only have one computer that can run 11 because of the TPM module, it upgraded by accident.
All others will run linux
The one that runs W11 can still be upgraded to Linux. Keep the W11 partition and run W11 in an emulator inside Linux when you really need it - which should be less and less the more you’re familiar with Linux.
Pretty telling when the only way you can get your users to “upgrade” is by stealth. I wonder what the % of involuntarily upgraded win11 users is vs people who knowingly and willingly did so.
I would’ve upgraded to 11, but either my computer doesn’t support TPM or I just refused to turn it on. So instead I upgraded to Ubuntu. There are probably better distros but I had a limited about of time to fuck around trying them.
Mint is pretty nice, too. It felt familiar, as a windows user. But I kept installing stuff that broke the updater. So I switched and found it’s me, not the updater, and I just need to do
apt update/upgradeanddpkg -iregardless, but anyway now I’m on Ubuntu.I still have my full windows install on an SSD somewhere if I had an emergency, but I haven’t had any such emergency in about a year.
Similar to yourself, I switched to Mint about 9 months ago - initially on dual boot before ditching Windows altogether (the Windows updates kept fucking everything up). For the one piece of software that I missed on Windows 10 (Fugawi Digital Maps) I simply created a Windows 7 VM, that doesn’t connect to the internet, and installed it on there. In fact, it has made me realise just how crap 10 was in comparison to 7. Linux has been a pleasure. Not only has it made computers interesting to me again, but I’ve learned a shitload along the way. It’s nice to have a computer do what I want it to, rather than the other way around.
What do you use to run the VM? I run Mint and have been meaning to get a Windows VM up but there are too many options
VirtualBox for me
virt-manager
VirtualBox.
I’m using Linux mint all day at work, while I have a couple of rarely-used Windows machines at home. I think the swap to Linux on those home machines is going to be a winter project this year.
It might be more accurate to say the project will be setting up the Linux version of a few key pieces of software. The actual installation of Linux Mint is the easiest part!
All of the random BS it requires is a bit of a turn off but the 10ish percent drop in gaming performance is a no go. Linux with proton should outperform the os the games are designed to run on but here we are.
I keep trying but I can’t make Xlink Kai work with Dolphin, nor play using Zerotier for some lan games (tModloader, mostly)… Managed to make my DRG and Gunfire Reborn run, so I got that going for me.
Until I can make those 2 networks work, I’ll have to stay on Windows.
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Recently decided to try Linux for gaming. It wasn’t without a hitch or two, but largely fine. A number of games I play don’t even need an emulation tool like Proton.
The only reason windows was lying around was for gaming.
Looks like it’ll only get used for flight simulation.
Haven’t. Will check it out! Thanks.
Not a lot of updates in 2024 unfortunately. Is it dead?
It is not. It is open source, there will be updates when there will be updates, they are not pressured by board of directors to release something that doesn’t work.
I suggest checking the discord for more information, including endless stream of screenshots, to get an idea about state of the project.
I have edited the comment above to add link
https://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/flightgear/ci/next/tree/
This random git repo I picked from their source forge page seems to have some pretty recent commits. I’m guessing they just have a slow release cycle.
X-plane natively supports Linux, works using proton too.
I’d stoped flying x plane when MSFS came out. Will give it a whirl too.
Same here but for sim racing
Barring Gamefreaks games, most of the popular racing games do not support Linux well. Forza 4/5, Asseto Corsa, iRacing, Crew.
Why do you need Windows for sim racing?
Peripherals. AFAIK Fanatec gear doesn’t run on Linux yet.
There are some drivers: https://jugandoenlinux.com/tutoriales/volantes.html
Thanks for this. I’m kinda concerned about attempting this on my current machine. I’ve got it set up as a music studio PC with Steam as a secondary feature. It works great with all my recording peripherals so I’m hesitant to introduce additional complexity to it with these drivers. I’d like to move away from Win entirely but its not exactly a do or die situation for me right now.
My linux install is on its own SDD separate from Win. I only use WIN for simracing and counter-strike so that use case is very limited. Also I don’t think iRacing’s anti-cheat runs on Linux yet? I’ll have to investigate.
As far as I know, iRacing isn’t working on Linux properly. I tried ACC and rFactor 2. But you’d better ask here: https://matrix.to/#/#simracer:matrix.org
Wine Is Not an Emulator
(Proton is wine)
Proton uses Wine along with many other technologies
Yes, it’s also not an emulator.
Summary: M$ hates their users more than ever.
I don’t think they think about the user at all.
They want that telemetry/ad money baby!
the enshitification will continue until profits improve
It’s only enshitification for us.
This is going to have a much bigger impact on the third would countries.
Most people here are not going to buy a new computer there are tons of people who buy second hand laptops that are old to be able to afford them.
Additionally people are not tech savvy and don’t understand the implication of this. When they see an ad that says to buy a new computer, they are going to dismiss it the same way they dismiss all the other ads online telling them to buy stuff.
Can’t wait! Cheap linux laptops are abound!
Prices of Windows 11 incompatible hardware have been dropping like a rock all year as companies upgrade their fleets, and it’ll get far more pronounced once consumers start getting squeezed to upgrade to continue using software XYZ
7th gen Intel laptops with GPUs are already really cheap
If I were to buy used laptop, I’d want 8th gen or newer because that’s where intel finally made more than dual core for mobile.
I literally daily drive a laptop with a 4c/8t processor (6700-HQ) so I’m not sure what you’re talking about other than perhaps the lower end i5s
Edit to add, my other laptop with a third gen i5 is 2C/4T and getting pretty long in the tooth though, so I wouldn’t go out of my way for something that old though
I mean mainstream processors of that age. Even regular i7s of 7th gen were just dual cores with HT.
I was very confused by your comment so I took a poke around Intel ark. I see what you mean now, most mobile processors for 4th and 6th gen (probably the most common generations for used PCs that are incompatible with 11) have 2c/4t on the U series processors, but looks like any HQ processor gets a full 4 cores and if it’s an i7 it gets hyper threading, putting them closer to parity with their desktop counterparts
Yep, I meant U series, which (at least where I live) were covering vast majority of the market. There was occasional HQ here and there, but not that often. AMDs offerings at the time were mediocre and nobody really used them so for me, that era basically overlaps with Intel U series hegemony when speaking about laptop cpus.
Yeah I hadn’t realized how much laptops from that era sucked compared to now. Granted, that was around the time manufacturers actually started actually trying to make laptops better, but really only current laptops feel similar to desktops and even then because they’re just designed to “race to sleep” any kind of workload that actually pushes them for more than 15 seconds at all it falls over so quickly compared to a moderate desktop.
Desktops with 4th gen and newer chips however have so much life left in them, so it’s an absolute crime that Microsoft’s sending them to the metalchipper
Unfortunately when there’s 11 will install on an 8th as long as it has a TPM.
Ah, so there won’t be overflow of big bussiness 8th gen laptops… Nevermind, I’d still avoid 7th gen myself.
11 losses support for 7th gen or earlier and non-TPM enabled equipment.
You might still be able to find something newer that lacks TPM.
Alternatively, we don’t really know why they chose 7th gen as the cutoff for sure. It is quite possible that they’re just going by Intel’s own support structure. Until dropped support for 7th gen due to an age out scenario so it’s absolutely possible that in another couple of years still drop support for 8th gen.
