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    Every time I see someone say that even the most lenient of gun regulations shouldn’t be passed in the U.S., all I can do is picture them at home calling their guns “precious” like Gollum.

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    You would have thought that after January 6th/George Floydd protests, and the lack of justice that followed both, would have finally shown liberals they cannot rely on cops and the “justice” system for personal protection.

    Warren vs district of Columbia

    Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales

    Uvalde school shooting

    Yet here we are.

    My body, my choice to protect it the way i wish. Fuck off gun grabbers. Prisoners are forced to give up all their rights and yet they are still not safe in prison. I refuse to be your prisoner.

    SocialistRA.org

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      Some people think that situations where they can rely on others’ strength are normal.

      Thus they may agree with need for weapons and self-defense, because “it’s a dangerous time”, but not when everything is in order again. Not even thinking that said “dangerous time” somehow happened and will happen again.

      Guns are similar to fire extinguishers and defibrillators in that most of time they are not needed.

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      I agree. I would much rather rely on myself for protection. Forget trusting the cops, I don’t trust the prosecutors. There are so many liberal prosecutors who are just drop cases, and judges who set low bail, or refuse to impose certain sentence types on repeat offenders, etc. People who want to take away guns are retards.

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      You are seriously arguing that the corruption in our police system means there is no protection? This is objectively false.

      I would trust an officer over Ultragagginggunnut any day of the week.

      The only prisoners are our school children who have to drill for gun violence in their school. Kids who live in fear that their classmates will kill them because they brought another gun nutters unsecured gun to school.

      The prisoners are the wives and partners of every abusive gun owner. Scared to leave because they know that it could cost their lives. You ever been raped at gun point? Yeah, didn’t think so.

      The prisoners are our society that has to deal with the commercialization of gun ownership and the radicalization of the NRA. Everyday they make our society more unsafe in the name of profits.

      The problem isn’t guns, it is people like you that think they solve problems. Guns create problems not solve them.

      They need to be tightly controlled to keep them away from people who are mentally unwell. People that think they are the “prisoners” fantasizing about defending their rights and overthrowing the government.

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        I would trust an officer over Ultragagginggunnut any day of the week.

        False dichotomy. Those aren’t the only choices.

        In your entire comment, you failed to realize that “Doomsider” is a perfectly viable option.

        With “Doomsider” being an option for you, “officer” should be considered a distant second.

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            Certainly. Thank you for your patience, and for the opportunity for discussion.

            I respectfully and summarily reject the underlying premise of what you were saying. Your comment did not consider that you are the person best capable of providing your own “protection”.

            I submit that the regulatory environment needs to recognize and respect that fact.

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                What are you waiting for? I have responded twice before this comment. Your comment is premised on a false dichotomy. When we eliminate that premise, the remainder of your comment doesn’t make much sense.

                One route forward: You could support your position on a different premise. Another route: You could abandon your previous position and adopt a new one. I eagerly await your choice.

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                  Nice try, let me turn on my Rivalarrival translator: Ah yes, it is coming in clear now. You did not like what I said but you have no rebuttal so you hyper focused on one thing. You invented a false premise and remembered to project that like any good bullshitter.

                  Still waiting.

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      I choose to protect my body by you not having guns.

      Edit: I don’t, but I think you can see the error in your argument now.

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          It’s the entire argument in a nutshell yes. A common-sense response to those desires is what separates the countries that don’t have much gun crime from yours.

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            There are all kinds of discussions we can have about this, not the least of which is that “no guns” simply isn’t an option in a country with 500 million firearms and no central firearm registry.

            But, really, all that stuff is beside the point. Guns are the ultimate equalizer. They equalize the weak and the strong. An 80 year old grandma can defend herself against a 25 year old man using a gun. A suppressed populace can defend themselves against a tyrannical government using guns.

            Gun crime has negligible impact on most Americans; we have about half as many firearm homicides as traffic deaths annually.

            Philosophically, the gun community feels having that equalizer and balance against tyranny is more important than the impacts of gun crime. Whether or not more gun control will decrease gun crime is irrelevant if a person feels that free firearm access is the more important of the two issues.

            Btw, regardless of your views, if you come to the US you should shoot some guns. It’s fun and you’ll be glad you did.

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              Wow, so we have too many guns so no reason to regulate has to be one of the stupidest arguments I have ever heard. It is like common sense showed up to have you shart in their face

              Guns are the ultimate equalizer sounds like something a weak assed little Nazi would say. Why does every other modern civilized country not need them then? It is like you look at the worst case and say it is now the best case

              I could give a shit about the feels of gun nutters. To think we have to appease homicidal radicals is fucking bonkers.

              I think most people will pass on the shooting thing. There is a lot more to the USA than a bunch of gun waving lunatics.

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                I have traveled most of the country and 95% of Americans are normal people who just want the best for the people around them. They just have different perspectives on what that means.

                You should let your hate go, my friend. I promise you’ll be happier for it.

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                  Same and it is clear 95% are not gun nutters.

                  Reality is a harsh mistress and your gun rhetoric is absolute garbage.

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              This made me laugh. You sound like Philomena Cunk!

              Surely, all that needs to happen is that everyone needs to carry bottles of acid. It will be completely safe in the hands of well-trained acid handlers, and accidents will only happen to people who weren’t trained well enough! This means you wouldn’t even need to regulate it!

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                How about you just give them guns so they can shoot the acid attackers. Turns out, you don’t need much training with a gun. Point shoot. Very simple. Point shoot. School shooters figure it out just fine.

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                  I don’t even know where to start.

                  There will be fewer acid attacks with guns because everyone will have access to a way more convenient and easy way of harming each other, yes.

                  So…problem solved?

                  Which side of the argument are you actually on?

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          these people are such idiots. besides, the founding fathers didn’t exclusively intend the second amendment to be used against petty thieves or violent criminals… they wanted it to be used to resist tyranny in all its forms. One form of tyranny is prosecutors dropping violent felons cases, judges setting low bail on repeat violent offenders, and federal governments throwing the borders open and granting special protection to violent criminals that come across the border. The government at best can punish crime, but it can never defend us. I am more than willing to accept school shootings if it means I can shoot someone that I deem a threat if necessary.

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        The BLM protestors who marched with guns in Georgia didn’t get fucked with by the cops at all, because the cops were scared. Look it up.

        Other BLM protestors got beat down by cops in riot gear, in countless examples across the country (when the protestors were unarmed).

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        More protesters would have been shot. The movement would have been demonized even more than it was.

        The protests were already overwhelming peaceful. To re-envision history saying “moars guns” would have helped is pretty bizarre gun nutters nonsense.

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        Is this a serious question?

        Do you believe armed protesters are easier or more difficult to suppress?

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          I don’t think that question is as simple as you think. Peaceful protest is much more likely to garner public support, at least until things are critical. And taking weapons to a protest in the US seems like an almost guaranteed way to die, one way or another. Not saying the cops are well trained with weapons, but neither are the general public.

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      I can’t fathom how people saw police beating protesters to death in 2020, are decrying the new Trump presidency as the rise of fascism in America, and still believe that the government should be the only ones with firepower in their hands.

      Now is exactly the time when the left should be rallying behind the second amendment.

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      I dont see a problem with owning guns. Its just taken too lightly in the states. To get a gun where im at, you need to get certified - theoretical, physical and psychological tests are done. And no one starts pissing about personal freedoms if they fail these tests. I think you also need to be member of a shooting club. Point is, you need to demonstrate your ability to handle a weapon responsibly. Im not one to confuse correlation with causation but… you dont see many stories of shootings here.

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        Aren’t shooting clubs and the licensing prohibitively expensive? This is just to disarm the working class. If the poor can’t afford equal protection they are slaves.

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          I wouldn’t look at it from that perspective. Similar situation with driving licenses, which require first aid training, 20+ hours of driving lessons with an instructor, theory lessons, testing, and costly things of that nature. If you want a gun and are fit to own one, you will not have a problem doing so, no matter your class.

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      Ah yes. The true red blooded American solution; the only way to solve a serious problem is to escalate it out of proportion.

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        Demonstrably false.

        “The actual data show that some of these kind of heroic, Hollywood moments of armed citizens taking out active shooters are just extraordinarily rare,” Mr. Lankford said.

        In fact, having more than one armed person at the scene who is not a member of law enforcement can create confusion and carry dire risks. An armed bystander who shot and killed an attacker in 2021 in Arvada, Colo., was himself shot and killed by the police, who mistook him for the gunman.

        It was twice as common for bystanders to physically subdue the attackers, often by tackling or striking them. At Seattle Pacific University in 2014, a student security guard pepper sprayed and tackled a gunman who was reloading his weapon during an attack that killed one and injured three others. The guard took the attacker’s gun away and held the attacker until law enforcement arrived. When a gunman entered a classroom at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte in 2019, a student tackled him. The student was shot and killed, but the police chief said the attack would have had a far worse death toll had the student not intervened.

        https://archive.is/xQqYY

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        How would you stop a fascist with a gun that wants to put you in a camp?

        If you are lgbtq, on any mental health medication, or a immigrant as a result of natrual born citizenships then you need to realistically ask yourself this question, because that’s the stated policy of the new president.

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        The best way to stop a good guy with a gun is to shoot first (in countries where there’s a good chance you might be shot if you’re committing a crime)

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      My I introduce you to a revolutionary new product that helps PID in a dark house:

      2371

      It’s called the “flishlight.” They’re pretty nifty!

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        Will it help my wife’s best friend who was shot in the stomach six times by her husband when she got up in the middle of the night to eat something in the kitchen?

        Let me introduce you to a revolutionary view about gun violence.

        https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10209983/

        It is called reality with gems like, “96% of murder-suicide victims are female.”

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          Not now, unfortunately while they can produce light so you don’t shoot your wife six times, they sadly lack the ability to alter the space time continuum and change the past, sorry to disappoint. You have to use the flashlight before you shoot the wrong person, the flashlight can’t unshoot someone.

          Btw you do know that just because some people kill their wives that doesn’t mean everyone will, right? You worried your wife is the next Jody Arias? No? See it works much the same way here, not every man is going to be Chris Benoit. That’s like that racist “13% of the population 50% of the crime,” it doesn’t mean all black people are criminals, nor does your stat mean “all men” or even “all gunowners” are wifemurderers.

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            Just because every abuser with a gun abuses their wife doesn’t mean that everyone is an abuser? Well no shit Sherlock.

            Now are you going to tell that to the million women who get raped at gun point? Or the four million every year that are threatened by guns!?

            No, you are going to make tone deaf jokes about getting a flashlight for your gun so you can see the look on your wife’s face before you pull the trigger.

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              Well if they’ve been convicted of DV they’re federally barred from firearms ownership, so they shouldn’t have guns. I also doubt your assertion that everyone who abuses their wives and has guns shoots their wives, or there’d be like 40% more dead cop-wives, for instance.

              Tell them what? That not every rapist has a gun, not every man is a rapist, and not every gun owner is necessarily a rapist or even a man (did you know they let women buy guns these dsys? Wild I know.) Sure, put em on the phone I’ll tell them (oh and btw I’m also a rape victim, twice!)

              More like “you were spouting silly bullshit so I sardonically replied, as one does.” Something is wrong with your thought process that you think “make sure to positively identify your target so you don’t accidentally shoot someone innocent” means “look your wife in the eyes as you purposefully kill her,” I don’t think you should have guns, you seem disturbed.

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    Im someone who likes to shoot a gun at targets at the range. I find it SO creepy and unnerving when it becomes clear that someone would like to shoot at a person. They don’t usually outright say it, but some make it clear in other ways.

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      They don’t usually outright say it, but some make it clear in other ways.

      Like showing up at the range in full combat gear. Dude, simma downa!

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        I don’t think this is an actual case of that. I have a few friends that get kitted out with plate carriers and night vision for the range and it’s just LARPing. No different than ren faire people showing up to the faire in steel plate when obviously there isn’t some sword fight that’s about to break out at the fairgrounds.

        It’s dorky but generally not malicious.

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            Totally fair. Most of these people haven’t experienced combat in any way. I’m just saying the motivation is mostly fun instead of some demented desire to kill.

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          It is very different than ren faire people showing up in military gear obsolete for hundreds of years, you can kill an entire crowd of people with an assault rifle in seconds, a person carrying around a murder weapon of that spontaneous ability to catastrophically induce violence isn’t “LARPing” they are normalizing carrying around a murder weapon and being utterly obsessed with it which even if their motivations are innocent provides a nice big smokescreen of normalcy for the Kyle Rittenhouses of the world to hide behind.

          I am not even making an argument against guns here, I am just pointing out how much more lame and uncool this is than ren faire or LARPing stuff .

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            you can kill an entire crowd of people with an assault rifle in seconds

            You’ve never fired a gun, have you? There is a massive amount of misinformation out there, and that’s not how any modern firearms made for the civilian market (including AR-15s) operate.

            they are normalizing carrying around a murder weapon and being utterly obsessed with it

            How so? We are talking about people who like to wear gear when they go to the range for fun. Thinking it would be fun to wear a bulletproof vest at the range or wearing NODs so you can shoot at night doesn’t imply any of those things.

            even if their motivations are innocent provides a nice big smokescreen of normalcy for the Kyle Rittenhouses of the world to hide behind

            How? A range trip isn’t “normalizing” anything nefarious regardless of what you choose to wear to the range. It’s just a range trip.

            I am just pointing out how much more lame and uncool this is than ren faire or LARPing stuff

            I don’t wear gear to the range but I know folks who do, and also go to faire and belong to a group who likes to fight with foam swords. From my perspective, it’s really the same deal. Dorky/nerdy people who like to dress up for fun. IMO it’s worth giving your fellow humans the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming the worst.

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      Can’t find it now, but there was an image of a police target floating around that had the outline of a person holding up a cell phone camera.

      Dystopian AF.

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      Right? Like in my ideal world, guns would be a hobby for weird nerds in the same way fencing is today. The one or two times I have felt like there’s even a small chance I may need to use a gun in self defense were terrifying and stressful.

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        There’s quite a few hobbies where the other people who meet up to participate as a group as a group are a huge turnoff.

        Guns are one of those hobbies for me.

        I would love to talk about the amazing mechanics and different approaches guns have to firing an exploding charge to move a mass of metal at supersonic speeds just like I love talking about the mechanical parts of trains and cars. But the gun crowd tends to have too high of a proportion of very vocal terrible people.

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          If you like guns as a technology Open Source Defense is a good newsletter imo. They don’t delve into politics thankfully but look at how laws are implemented, improving safety at scale etc

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          I would love to talk about the amazing mechanics and different approaches guns have to firing an exploding charge to move a mass of metal at supersonic speeds

          You need to hang out with gunsmiths. Those are the folks having those kinds of conversations.

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          See if you can find yourself a group with operation blazing sword. Whatever you do, LGS usually have just FUDDs who want to talk how turnip daddy is going to make everything like it was back in the 50s again…most of the sane ass people who are into owning and shooting are online now (there are still a shit ton of magats but just avoid those places). It also helps if you can find a group that has a private range, it’ll make it a lot easier to setup times to go enjoy shooting.

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        A couple years ago I joined a private shooting club. They have a range with targets from 10-300 yards. It was so cool to shoot there, and all the other members were total marksmanship nerds. Seeing all the great equipment, and ridiculous scopes was always fun, and the other members were nice to talk to. There were no soldier LARPers there. We operated as our own range masters, and everyone took safety very seriously. It was a refreshing change from the public range. Unfortunately I moved a couple hours away from that range, so it didn’t make sense to continue paying the membership anymore. Now I just go to the mountains to shoot.

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      This case is horrible, but you have misrepresented it in your comments. The teens broke a window and entered his house with the intention to rob it—it was not left wide open. The recording devices were turned on because he knew they were robbing the house. His first shots to stop the intruders were legal.

      Where the crime occurred is that the original shots did not kill them, and then he executed them after they were downed. He also did not report the bodies for a day.

      Don’t get me wrong, dude is a psychopathic asshole, but misrepresenting the series of events doesn’t help anybody.

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        They weren’t, they went over this in the trial.

        He became the aggressor when he removed barriers to entry and laid in wait which is a negative defense for self defense.

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          Wikipedia says they broke a window to enter, and that can be heard on audio—I’m not trying to argue with everything, but how is a closed window that had to be broken for entry not a barrier?

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            They did, read the testimony. He has the window blocked and he removed it so the window would be the easiest way to enter.

            He set a trap, there’s no legitimate purpose for that.

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              The dude clearly murdered them and had violent vigilante fantasies—I don’t argue that one bit.

              That said, they still came up to his house, broke a window, and entered with the intention to burgle it. It doesn’t really matter if the window was previously blocked or made of paper—breaking and entering with the intention of burglary is a crime, and having no block on a window isn’t enticement to have your house burgled.

              Again, before anyone thinks I’m defending him, I fully agree that he is a murderer. I just think the burglars weren’t innocent either. In Reddit lingo, “everyone sucks here”.

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                You are defending him boss.

                The jury took less than three hours to establish as a matter of fact that none of the shootings were justified or in defense. It’s a fact now, your opinion is just that… An opinion and one not backed by either statute or the court case.

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                  I already requested the link for the info you are referencing, and I have told you where I found mine. Please provide a source, I would like to learn.

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                If you’re arguing that both the murderer and murder victims “suck” maybe you need to rethink your priorities…

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        It’s been a long time since I’ve heard about this case, but my recollection was that he left his garage door open and parked away from his house so it would appear open and unoccupied. I didn’t see anything on the Wikipedia page that refutes that.

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          Smith had been visiting neighbors when he saw Kifer, whom he suspected was responsible for the burglaries, driving past his home. He commented that he needed to get ready for her and went back to his home. Upon entering his home, Smith turned on a recording device he owned. He removed the light bulbs from the ceiling lights and positioned himself in a chair that was obscured from view. He heard the window upstairs break and Brady climb in (captured on audio).

          There may have been a window from the garage to the house or something, but it clearly says they broke a window, entered his home, and proceeded to the basement where they were shot. He had previously been burgled in the garage too, which Wikipedia says he was unaware about until police found evidence of a prior burglary. The house had been burgled previously as well, which is why he was looking out for people casing his house.

          I hope none of this comes off as a defense of that asshole, but facts matter, and those teens did commit a crime. I don’t think they deserved to be executed for it, but he was within his rights to defend himself when they broke in to his home. He was not within his rights to execute them after the threat was over.

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            but he was within his rights to defend himself when they broke in to his home.

            No he wasn’t, read the actual case transcript.

            He was not within his rights to execute them after the threat was over.

            There was never a threat, you really really need to read the court transcripts.

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        With the premise the OP presented, I expected something worse than what was actually there. It was still horrible, but the impact was lessened for the reasons you listed.

        Interesting how someone can manufacture consent like that by shifting your initial view.

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      This is the absolute truth. I personally know a guy who pulls out a huge roll of money just to buy a $1 pop from a machine at night. He carries, has been for years. He is trying to get someone to mug him. You know why.

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      I’m not in any way trying to defend what he did, but am I missing something? It’s written that the teens broke in with the intention to rob the house? Still a planned murder of course, but I think it’s important to mention it, they weren’t just good Samaritans checking in on a neighbour whose door was left open

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          I agree, but it still felt like the comment wasn’t being genuine. Horrible things can be horrible without making them sound more horrible than they actually were

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    Please, Please, Please let the second continuation of this comic be him hearing a doorbell, grabbing some of his guns, then looking through the door’s peep hole to see two Mormon’s in suits holding a Bible.

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    Lol I have several guns. Some I don’t know if I even have ammo for them at all.

    I can’t imagine the mindset these types of owners have. They are afraid and they want to murder someone. I can’t imagine

    Hell, the few rifles I have are stored with the firing bolts removed and locked up separately.

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      If I had to kill somebody, I’d be scarred for life. Even if it was clearly in self defense.

      Yet I’ve talked to gun owners who fantasize about getting the drop on a burglar and shooting them dead or something like that. I don’t know if they’re actually that bloodthirsty or just delusional, but either way it’s pretty disturbing.

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        It’s both.

        Our systems have taught them that criminals are worthless disgusting inhuman animals who deserve death, and they’ve never considered the trauma associated with killing someone.

        Plenty of veterans lives are ruined by shit like that, and they signed up for it. A little basement dwelling incel couldn’t even comprehend the trauma.

        And let’s not forget the statistics of the people who break into your house. It’s likely someone you know. Are you prepared to shoot your friend?

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        Oh same. I’ve talked with friends about conceal carry. We all agree it would be the scariest thing possible to actually need to use it. We’ll pretty much want to exhaust all other options including running the fuck away first.

        We couldn’t imagine the idea of actually living with having murdered someone. I know I’d pretty much immediately end up in therapy to help process it.

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        I do get what you are saying, and may offer some pov. I do not perceive anyone who breaks into my house as human, simply because I am aware of how weak I am. Not a gun owner, but if I am in kitchen, trust me I am grabbing a knife - anything to level the playing field - and setting myself on fight rather than flight.

        But it’s mostly fear and adrenaline. If something happened, I have no doubt I would go for it to secure mine and my partner security. How much of a wreck I’d be later remains to be seen, though for sure it would hit me hard.

        Honestly, not much difference between that and chihuahua. Fight to kill out of fear.

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          Honestly, not much difference between that and chihuahua. Fight to kill out of fear.

          Yeah. Everyone has a right to pursue a safe place to be.

          If someone or something puts me in an unsafe enough position, I might have to go through them instead of around them to get to safety.

          There’s no shame in that. It’s also nothing to be proud of. It just is.

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            I’ve had two different very realistic dreams (years ago) where I shot someone and both of them were terrifying. It’s not something I’d look forward to. It’d definitely ruin my week if not my entire month.

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              Yeah. Absolutely. Even having been robbed a few times really messed with my head. I would hate to have to live with worse.

              But I still figure people have a right to seek a safe place to be, and cornered people have a right to use violence, to reach a safe place.

              I’ll allow there might even be other times when violence might be moral, since life can get pretty complex, but I hope to live my life without having to make that call.

              But I believe that when cornered is the only time a human can use violence with a totally free conscience.

              It’s why Sun Tzu advised we always give even our worst enemy an escape route. It’s much better to not have to fight at all, than to have to win a fight with a desperate enemy.

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        I wouldn’t mind having to kill anyone. It would definitely give me joy and excitement although I don’t actively hope I’ll get to use my gun.

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        I think it’s the marketing. Everything has to me monetized or giggified and it’s hard for us to just do stuff for no good reason (like collect and/or shoot guns). We’ve got to justify by protecting ou family from the zombie apocalypse or crime waves or something.

        I think a lot of it is whistling in the dark as well. Our powerlessness coupled with hyper individualism and lack of social support makes for some pretty uncomfortable truths.

        Plus the grab bag of racism and misdirected class fear.

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      Honestly, I was thinking of this

      White Man & Black Man Carry AR-15 Rifles In Open Carry Video Experiment

      A recent video posted to YouTube by Willie Upchuck captures the same incident resulting in two distinctively different responses from police. A White gentleman is politely questioned by police, while a Black man is harshly told to get on the ground at gunpoint.

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        The black man that volunteered for that must have a death wish. He had to have gone into that thinking there was a very good chance the police would shoot him on sight.

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          I think the kids filming the experiment were as shocked by the results as anyone watching the video. Very possibly a camera being at the scene of the criminal misuse of police power arrest saved the black guy’s life.

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    That’s really what it comes down to.

    These people want an “excuse” to murder someone.

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      Yes those people do

      And then there’s a ton of people that have guns, train when they can and hope they never have to use their skills outside of the range or competitions. We never ever hear about them because they are normal people

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        The reality is that most of the imagined scenarios which cause a person to want a gun for self defense are rooted in some form of these same delusions. They really are just not as useful in as many situations as people think they are, and these people almost never take far simpler measures to deal with their real threat profile.

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    Way too true, I know too many people who are genuinely like this my brother included. If people have this kind of mindset they shouldn’t be allowed to own guns, it is a tragedy waiting to happen.