During the years that led to WWII, the word “Nazi” was used as a derogatory term against the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP, translated in English as National Socialist German Worker’s Party
Yes is the article written in present day, but I’m saying they called themselves socialists not that they aren’t right. Nazi politics are not easily put on the left-right spectrum. Which is why I say conservatism and nationalism is usually right
They called themselves socialists, the word changed meaning over time so you might argue they wouldn’t be considered socialists right now, but they sure as hell were considered socialists then. From the same source:
Opponents of NSDAP also used the word “Sozi” prior to “Nazi” as a derogative representation of the word Sozialist or “Socialist” in English.
It’s not that the meaning of “socialist” changed but that the Nazis were never actually socialist despite their deliberately misleading name, and Hitler had anyone in the party with any socialist tendencies killed off. You seem not to be hearing what everyone in the thread is trying to say to you. The Nazis were straightforwardly fascist, far right, and never anything to do with socialism or the left.
This is a fascinating conversation to follow. The Nazi’s absolutely were not left nor socialist, but there might be a history class difference. American hatred of socialism is soo deep and history textbooks are so useless (since most are made in Texas and cater to those politics) I remember a HUGE emphasis on Nazi being National Socialist and another example of why socialism never worked. It starts early here man. I think we’re seeing a lot of the effects these days.
Wow, I have come across this inaccurate talking point from right-wingers on many occasions, but I never realized that Americans were being taught these lies in school. Well, we are really seeing the effects of all this propaganda now the fascists are in power.
It is especially bad in the deep-red states. The Tulsa race riots are still often lied about in Oklahoma depending on the school. Basically they said, “it worked on Native American history, so just do that for everything we don’t agree with.”
It was in the name of the party, north-korea’s official name is Democratic People’s Republic of Korea it happens more often that countries and parties choose a name that’s not representative for what they really are
I see plenty of people covered the whole nazis =/= socialist thing already, so I’ll abstain there. I didn’t see anyone mentioning that left-wing nationalism CAN be (but usually isn’t) a thing too. Nationalism is not inherently a conservative thing. Vietnamese nationalism would be a form of left-wing nationalism - pretty much for them, just the idea that the Vietnamese people should be the ones in charge of Vietnam, not some other country.
This is exactly why they complain about liberalism and just added another slimy definition. (Not left, but looks like people pointed that out already.)
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And North Korea is obviously democratic!
Oh, wait, no that’s fucking retarded.
Nazis were not socialist lmao
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/the-origin-of-the-term-nazi.html
Yeah dude, we know what the word means.
Literally the next sentence from your source:
Emphasis mine.
Yes is the article written in present day, but I’m saying they called themselves socialists not that they aren’t right. Nazi politics are not easily put on the left-right spectrum. Which is why I say conservatism and nationalism is usually right
Socialists (and trade unionists and yes, communists) were among the first groups the Nazis targeted.
Hitler hated that term but the party was already formed. Put the emphasis on the National part of national socialism.
Socialism was also popular at the time and they were using that to increase their appeal.
They hated socialists and beat them up in the streets.
Which wing of parliament did the NSDAP sit on, the right or the left?
If we’re gonna play bullshit word games, at least sitting on the right is relevant to the original definition of right wing.
Do you think the Democratic Republic of North Korea is an actual democracy?
It’s right there in the name…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/29/greenes-ahistorical-claim-that-nazis-were-socialists/
They called themselves socialists, the word changed meaning over time so you might argue they wouldn’t be considered socialists right now, but they sure as hell were considered socialists then. From the same source:
The word socialist very much had a very well established meaning at that point (definitely more established than it currently is in the US).
Everything you’re saying is ahistorical. Why aren’t you at all interested in the reality of what happened?
They appropriated the term “socialist” as a marketing mechanism.
It’s not that the meaning of “socialist” changed but that the Nazis were never actually socialist despite their deliberately misleading name, and Hitler had anyone in the party with any socialist tendencies killed off. You seem not to be hearing what everyone in the thread is trying to say to you. The Nazis were straightforwardly fascist, far right, and never anything to do with socialism or the left.
This is a fascinating conversation to follow. The Nazi’s absolutely were not left nor socialist, but there might be a history class difference. American hatred of socialism is soo deep and history textbooks are so useless (since most are made in Texas and cater to those politics) I remember a HUGE emphasis on Nazi being National Socialist and another example of why socialism never worked. It starts early here man. I think we’re seeing a lot of the effects these days.
Wow, I have come across this inaccurate talking point from right-wingers on many occasions, but I never realized that Americans were being taught these lies in school. Well, we are really seeing the effects of all this propaganda now the fascists are in power.
It is especially bad in the deep-red states. The Tulsa race riots are still often lied about in Oklahoma depending on the school. Basically they said, “it worked on Native American history, so just do that for everything we don’t agree with.”
Right, the Nazis were socialist in the same way North Korea is democratic.
A couple of articles debunking the claim that Nazis were socialist:
No, the Nazis Were Not Socialists
Were the Nazis socialists?
It was in the name of the party, north-korea’s official name is Democratic People’s Republic of Korea it happens more often that countries and parties choose a name that’s not representative for what they really are
Aye. “Democratic Republic.”
I see plenty of people covered the whole nazis =/= socialist thing already, so I’ll abstain there. I didn’t see anyone mentioning that left-wing nationalism CAN be (but usually isn’t) a thing too. Nationalism is not inherently a conservative thing. Vietnamese nationalism would be a form of left-wing nationalism - pretty much for them, just the idea that the Vietnamese people should be the ones in charge of Vietnam, not some other country.
That sounds more like self-determinism than nationalism.
This is exactly why they complain about liberalism and just added another slimy definition. (Not left, but looks like people pointed that out already.)