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    This took less than 3 days.

    Less than 3 days of mild protest in one city and Trump is saying the governor needs to be arrested and is using the military against civilians.

    This wasn’t even classed as a riot.

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    The president deploying the national guard, let alone the fucking MARINES, to “assist police” is a direct violation of the posse comitatus act, which was written to SPECIFICALLY PREVENT ANY PRESIDENT from using the military as law enforcement

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      Trump has been using the Constitution as toilet paper with zero consequences. Why do you think he cares about this?

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        We know who is really behind this stuff: Russell Vought.

        The remaining question is: how to make it look like a suicide?

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        This is what so many people fail to understand.

        When your boss steals $100 from your paycheck, you’re supposed to file a wage claim, wait years for your day in court, and even when you show that the company stole from you, the punishment for them is a small fine ($50 per person first time, $100 per person every time after that). You don’t even get the fine. The fine is paid to the state.

        Now flip it around and imagine what happens when you steal $100 from the company. Immediate legal repercussions, multiple court dates, probation if you’re lucky and jail if you’re not.

        The entire system is designed to fuck people as hard as possible while reserving the kid gloves for corporations and oligarchs.

        I am gleefully awaiting the day protesters start disappearing federal agents/national guard. Fuck all fascists, even the ones “just following orders”. No habeas corpus is a two way street motherfuckers

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        Well, it actually does matter this time around. I think this is going to come back to Trump if we make it through long enough. California doesn’t fuck around.

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      Don’t worry. All the heroic men and women in the armed services will decide THIS oppression of a civilian populace is too much and some of the officers will resign. Then, in just a decade or so, they’ll have O-5s who are only qualified to be O-3s and it will all come crashing down! And if you disagree, you are just a doomer!

      Yeah… This does not end well in any conceivable way.

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    Every military and law enforcement member needs to understand right now that attacking protesters for exercising their First Amendment rights is crossing a line that they can never come back from. I, for one, will always hold it against any MAGA for the rest of my life. They deserve to be mercilessly shunned, ridiculed, and discriminated against for the rest of their miserable, stupid, treasonous lives. I own a business, and I will never hire a MAGA supporter, ever.

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      I’ll add to this do not go on vacation to any red state. Do not buy goods from red states whenever possible

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      Not American and maybe I’m just OOTL but this confuses me as well… I’m aware of a peaceful protest against the mass deportations, but what else? Why do they need armed soldiers??

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          It’s the next step in his takeover. He already controls the government. He controls business through tariffs. Now he needs to control the people.

          Once he’s got control internally, he’ll turn his eyes to other countries. What we’ve seen so far with his threats will become reality as he annexes Canada, Mexico, and Greenland to secure natural resources and wages a full economic war on anyone else who challenges him (China, EU)

          It’s pretty textbook rise of Nazi Germany 1930s. None of this should be surprising.

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            Yeh as a Canadian I’m pretty sure we’re next after he crushes the democratic states. Can’t build an empire without conqueting your neighbours.

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    Did Trump declare martial law while I was asleep? Because last time I checked, he can’t deploy the military on US soil unless the country is in a state of emergency. And peaceful protests don’t count.

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          The people can’t do much against an MQ-9 reaper, much less strategic bombers that can fly well higher than civilian aircraft.

          If it comes to something like Red Dawn, we are fucked.

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            “The people” aren’t going to engage in traditional warfare against the undivided might of the US military. If there is armed resistence it’s going to be attacks on individuals and sabotage/explosives, and it’s going to divide the armed forces.

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      since when does it matter what the law says? he’s been breaking the law every single day since he took office. nobody is gonna intervene.

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        Almost everything Trump has attempted to do, has to some extent, been blocked in the courts. Sometimes temporarily…other times completely. And the temporary blocks are all still active cases, that stand a good chance of getting permanently blocked in the future.

        The problem is, the media isn’t covering that enough. They like the drama…so, all they report in is the shit that gets clicks. And boring court details don’t attract a lot of interest. Especially considering that by the time anything is resolved, the news steam has long since moved on to other, more recent scandals.

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        Well, he IS the king of America (and Canada, Panama and Greenland), so why would he need approval?

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        The people setting those fires should absolutely be charged for their actions. But their actions don’t negate the Constitutional rights of everyone else who is protesting. And calling in the National guard before the local authorities have declared the situation to be out of their control, is a direct violation of Constitutional law.

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            But, when you say, “they”…you are painting the entire protest as violent, unless you make the distinction that it isn’t. And the vast majority of protestors are simply exercising their 1st amendment rights, in a perfectly legal manner.

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              I never said they were violent, I haven’t heard of anything violent (edit: from the protesters) yet personally. There’s a difference between peaceful, not peaceful, and violent.

              If there’s enough bad actors doing things like setting cars on fire, then it warrants a larger police presence (but not the national guard at this level or ever the military)

              Edit: Just to add clarity, it warrants a larger police presence, because they are in fact no longer peaceful. Sure most people are, but the protest itself isn’t.

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        Impressive how the troll farms always manage to put one “yeah people were hurt but what about property?!” in every thread about our pigs.

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        Waymo’s are ultimately used for surveillance to intimidate protesters. Ideally they wouldn’t get burned, but at this point they have chosen to side with authoritarians (tho that is expected of corporations)

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          I’d love to see proof that Waymo is providing live footage to the police to help manage the protests if you have it. That’s pretty fucked up if true. (edit: Burning is still bad, but I’d be down for defacing (e.g throwing paint on it) if so.)

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            An example

            Granted, this is not about the protest, and it is too early for that footage to be used so far. Still we know the current admin is not happy about any protest and was elected on themes of revenge. It is worth taking steps to protect protesters from being targeted in the coming days and weeks.

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              I think it comes down to did waymo freely provide it (article doesn’t say up to where it wants me to sign up) or did the police have a warrant.

              If they have a warrant, I think that’s legitimate. I don’t think Waymo should be responding to police requests without a warrant though, otherwise it will breed distrust, and rightfully so.

              The police have been known to demand footage from Tesla’s in the area of crimes as well, again as long as its with a warrant, or the individual owner decides to provide it, I think that’s fine. I want to make the distinction that if an owner of a car that has cameras wants to provide it, i think that’s okay, but as a corporation, with a fleet of vehicles, that should never happen without a warrant.

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    Congress could end this immediately, by revoking Trump’s emergency powers. Spineless traitors the whole lot of them.

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    Everyone, go to your local retailer that sells crayons and get a variety of colors from different manufacturers. You never know what flavor or brand they will want so it’s best to have a spread. You can use that to barter or as a lure.

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    The Silver Lining: Media coverage of the extensive protests in every city in America has been so light, that some people are asking why nobody is doing anything. Meanwhile Millions of people are protesting across America. Some protests have been higher than 5 million nationally, and they are growing. At 12 million, we reach 3.5%, which experts say is the threshold for a “tipping point,” which leads to trends like revolutions.

    But since the media isn’t covering it, most people have no idea how much is happening. That is, until HitlerPig and The MAGA Morons hit the stage and start puking all over everybody. THAT makes the news, and now EVERYBODY knows about the protests.

    Somebody should explain the Streisand Effect to these jokers.

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        Two books:

        Mark Penn’s Microtrends: The Small Forces Behind Tomorrow’s Big Changes

        Malcolm Gladwell’s Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference

        I especially like Gladwell’s book, and his other books as well. Blink is another favorite of mine. I haven’t read Penn’s book in a long time, it may be getting a little dated.

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          I read Gladwell already, which has its issues but taking at face value with a pinch of salt is good. I’ll check out the other one, thanks!

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      meh, it died last november when US citizens decided to elect a felon back into the white house for a second term after he had committed treason in broad daylight and obstructed justice throughout his tenure.

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    They should refuse the orders and arrest Trump and everyone else involved in this shit. Which includes a lot of the administration.

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    Kinda seems like the US has gone to war with her citizens: what with the deploying of troops against them and all. Maybe her citizens should start acting like they are at war.

    Too bad there are no cases in history of a guerrilla force standing their own against the “undefeated” US military. /s

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        California didn’t accidentally become wealthy. Lots of smart & capable people there, albeit with much to lose.

        They’ll reasonably try to keep a lid on things, but there’s a line not too far from where Californians have currently gotten pushed to.

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        Well, I recently bought two guns and tons of ammo in preparation.

        So have a few friends of mine in the last few months. And I know we aren’t the only ones.

        If this administration wants a war, they’ll get it, but they will not win.

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          i’ve been armed for a long fucking time, but not because i want to start the fucking revolution. I’ve been armed because you can’t depend on the police for jack shit. it just felt like common sense.

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          Buying a gun does not make you a warrior. How much do you train?

          I shot around 20000 rounds a year, and would not want to go up against a trained armed force.

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    So this is what freedom looks like? Where are all the 2nd Amendment fanboys when they’re needed? Probably sitting in the parents basement surfing the net for manga.

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      Where are all the 2nd Amendment fanboys when they’re needed?

      Siding with the cops and looking for a Target they can protect while shooting some n***ers.

      Karl from InrangeTV is probably one of the only genuinely honest Second Amendment supporters out there and he summed it up pretty well (in his video on how Palantir/Doge is all about surveilance and The Government is already coming for people): The vast majority of gun nuts (youtube or otherwise) are silent because they align with what is happening.

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      2nd Amendment fanboys

      That was just cosplay.

      Where the actual fuck are all the active duty military personnel who all swore an oath to defend the constitution from all threats, foreign and domestic? They are literally oath-bound to engage Donald Trump the same way they do any other enemy of the United States.

      Do your fucking job already!

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        Collectively, you voted for this fascist. As a non-USian, I’ll just grab my popcorn and watch the drama unfold. Very similar to watching the Brexit debacle here in Europe.

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          Unfortunately this shit show won’t be contained so I wouldn’t be so gleeful in the end of the united states, this will get to you, the united states has the record of spreading the “democracy” where they see fit so it might be coming to a country near you or to you…