If an LLM can’t be trusted with a fast food order, I can’t imagine what it is reliable enough for. I really was expecting this was the easy use case for the things.

It sounds like most orders still worked, so I guess we’ll see if other chains come to the same conclusion.

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    This is not AI failing to do an easy job. This is “unskilled” labor doing complex and demanding work that cannot be duplicated by trillion dollar software.

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      I mean, unskilled just means minimal extra training is needed, not that it’s not complicated. Actual non-complicated jobs were automated last century in the West.

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      Tbh this is an incredibly easy fix, either cap the number of waters someone can order in software or have an override where a human takes over if an order is suspicious, there’s not an infinite number of ways to fuck with this.

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        Capping waters fixes that one specific issue but not the problem.

        A suspicious order isn’t easy to define and no person who has ever participated in software development would underestimate the infinite ways a User can break software.

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          There are machine learning algorithms for anomaly detection though. They actually work decently well because exploits like this do in fact differ significantly from regular orders. Because they assume all anomalies are attempted exploits, their false negative rate is rather low while their false positive rate can be a bit higher.

          Taco Bell has the capability to create a decently large training set from all recorded orders (which must all be valid and non-malicious) so they shouldn’t have too many issues developing this model.

          If an anomaly is detected, make a human verify it is indeed an irregular order.

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          Surely if the person making the order sees 18,000 waters they would think, hold on this doesn’t seem right maybe I should ask the customer if they really want 18,000 waters?

          The same applies for the ice cream with bacon on it which was mentioned in the article. I believe a lot of these could be resolved with a bit of common sense.

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            If you think bacon on ice cream is weird enough to cancel an order, I can only imagine you’ve never worked a customer service job.

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            The same applies for the ice cream with bacon on it

            Does it, though? Unlike the 18,000 waters, if I were working a drive through I wouldn’t even blink at an order for bacon ice cream. Heck, I might make a little extra to try it for myself!

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            Sure, in the most extreme cases it would be obvious to the crew. But simply making mistakes at a higher rate than humans will result in a lot of unhappy customers.

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            Sure, but how do you distill this into a rule a computer can follow? “Suspicious” is not an objectively measurable thing that a program can just check against

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              Think the easiest way would be to collect order data for at least a good number of months if not a couple years and feed it in and use that as a baseline of what a typical human order looks like, anything that deviates too far from that baseline needs to be handled by a human until someone can validate it as a good order, though I imagine you could get false positives for new menu items unless you set a reasonable instruction for items that have never appeared in the dataset before.

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          there is an incredibly finite number of ways to mess with this, they just need a button to send a report to the engineers with how they got messed with and eventually they’ll have a complete list. I really doubt it’d take long to iron out the vast majority of ways that can be thought of.

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            A QA engineer walks into a bar and orders a beer.

            She orders 2 beers.

            She orders 0 beers.

            She orders -1 beers.

            She orders a lizard.

            She orders a NULLPTR.

            She tries to leave without paying.

            Satisfied, she declares the bar ready for business. The first customer comes in an orders a beer. They finish their drink, and then ask where the bathroom is.

            The bar explodes.

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              This isn’t something you can input any text into, it’s fixed, that joke doesn’t apply, you can’t do an sql injection here.

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                Close one, a joke was related to but not a perfect match for the present situation. Something terrible could have happened like… Uh…

                Let me get back to you on that.

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        that’s what happens 99% of the time. It’s kinda been a trend on the anti clanker side of TikTok, just order a large amount of stuff so a human takes over and actually helps you

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        The point is that loopholes in software will always exist that lead to unexpected outcomes.

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        Why can’t a trillion dollar AI say “Sir, that’s not reasonable”?