• CptEnder@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    We should be criticizing our old, conservative president Biden. He needs to 180 his stance.

    Also not voting for him in Nov is vapid and invalidates any defense of the Palestinian people you have.

    It sucks, but it’s reality.

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      11 months ago

      It sucks, but it’s reality.

      Yep.

      We legitimately have zero options besides voting for Biden.

      And I sincerely hope enough voters realize that, because trump will be worse.

      The only thing we can do till 2028 is make a lot of noise about how this shit is unacceptable and Dems need to do better

      Unfortunately the DNC knows that while we say it’s unacceptable, we still have to vote Biden or risk trump.

      Which is why the DNC has spent 30 years drifting further and further right. They have captive voters and are willing to risk Republican rule so Dems can be as rightwing as possible.

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        10 months ago

        We legitimately have zero options besides voting for Biden.

        If they stop funding israel and stop giving them arms, would it not get those votes back? are all of you really thinking biden would risk trump winning by refusing to halt arms and cash to israel and let the UN come to a ceasefire resolution? if its so dire, i think THEY have a responsibility to us and the palestinians. for one, all the money going to israel could go to be put to fixing our infrastructure, not destroying gaza’s. two, aren’t we going to need all these missiles and bombs for when we inevitably go to war with russia?

        The only thing we can do till 2028 is make a lot of noise about how this shit is unacceptable and Dems need to do better

        but just like every other election cycle, they will get their votes, continue on w/ biz as usual and then try to win our hearts again and/or fearmonger us again at the next election. with aipac and other big money donors doxxing and ousting progressives, i don’t foresee a functional left after this election, regardless. however, people are mobilizing over this issue and rightly so, its fucking genocide. there is no acceptable amount of genocide and there is no justifiable reason to continue funding and arming it.

      • ZK686@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        I’ll be voting for Trump. I was in favor of his tough stance on illegal immigration, and I still am. Bring out the pitchforks Lemmy!

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            11 months ago

            Isn’t this the Politics community? I mean, are all politics allowed…or, ONLY Left an Democrat politics? Smells very…Redditish to me…

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              11 months ago

              There isnt a single positive thing on your profile, even on other boards, why would i assume you are here in good faith?

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                11 months ago

                I’m here because I like to discuss politics. However, just like Reddit…it seems as if this community only leans one way. Sorry to inform you that politics in America is very broad…it’s not just about Democrats and Liberals.

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        11 months ago

        This is honestly the best take on the issue I’ve seen so far.

        I am the first person to say we need to break the two-party stranglehold on politics. We need independent candidates in office yesterday. But this election is the abso-fucking-lutely worst time to make a run at that, because that third party vote WILL be a vote for Trump. And if you firmly believe that third party or independent politicians have a place, elect them to your local city council or school board or state legislature. That is where they will make a real, actionable difference.

        A vote against Biden, no matter who for, is a vote for Trump. No amount of TikTok “well ackshually” will change that reality.

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          10 months ago

          last election biden and harris were on the working families party line which is third party. i’m not sure this time around but do y’all even know how third party works?

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          11 months ago

          >A vote against Biden, no matter who for, is a vote for Trump.

          this is election misinformation. a vote for anyone except trump cannot be counted as a vote for trump.

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            11 months ago

            The election is a tug of war. Trump and his supporters are pulling on the right. Biden and his supporters are pulling on the left.

            When you vote for an independent candidate, you are removing force that could have been used to pull against Trump and redirecting that force towards a candidate who has zero chance of winning. A vote for an independent candidate is a vote for Trump.

            The only valid retort to this is “well I wasn’t going to vote anyway” and anyone who feels that way can shut the fuck up about everything.

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              11 months ago

              A vote for an independent candidate is a vote for Trump.

              No. It is a vote for an independent candidate.

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                11 months ago

                Which will remove yet another barrier to Trump becoming president.

                I’m all for breaking the two-party stranglehold but do it in a local election where it will make a difference. This year is the absolute worst year to try a failed presidential run.

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              11 months ago

              >When you vote for an independent candidate, you are removing force that could have been used to pull against Trump

              Jill Stein and Cornel West are running against trump.

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                11 months ago

                That’s nice. They’ll lose, and the momentum put to that independent candidate is momentum that could have been used against Trump. Voting for either of them is a vote for “I am not interested in what happens in this country, and sincerely hope Trump wins. Because instead of voting against him, instead I choose to throw away my vote by making some kind of ‘statement’ that will never be heard by anyone.”

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                11 months ago

                There you go again with no concept of how politics works in this country. You are either a shill, or a completely naive person. A vote for a 3rd party candidate is as effective as not voting in the national results. Can you at least see that? When electoral votes are tallied, and NONE go to a 3rd party candidate, those votes are wasted.

                I wish this country had a different voting system other than first past the goal posts, but it doesn’t so you need to be realistic in your vote.

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                  11 months ago

                  if voting for an independent candidate counts as not voting (that’s a lie), and not voting is the same as voting for trump, does that mean that if i vote for trump, it is 2 votes? no.

                  you’re spreading misinformation.