So much for the “Apple is all about privacy whereas Google monetizes you” schtick.
It seems to me that advertising is the real secret cabal that is running the world.
“Secret cabal” as in capitalism and its imperatives sure, pretty out in the open though.
Me: “What the fuck? I didnt tell it to take me to Starbucks.”
Siri: TRY STARBUCKS NEW PUMPKIN SPICE LATTE NOW AVAILABLE FOR A LIMITED TIME
Between this and android phones with ads on lockscreens, I’m ready for someone to finally release a good Linux phone.
or at least something I can install on a Google pixel
graphene with no play store.
Aren’t there privacy friendly OSes you can already install on your Google Pixel?
yes
People actually use Apple Maps?
I do because it currently doesn’t have ads
yes my ex does, why i dunno lol
Apple Maps had a rough few months at its start, but it’s never let me down since — I’ve used it to drive across country (many times, many directions) and across town. Combined with CarPlay, it’s the only digital screen I’d ever want in my car’s dashboard.
Ads would destroy the only thing I’ve enjoyed about newer cars in decades.
Switch a while ago from Google Maps. It’s pretty damn great.
Here in Cali I’ve noticed it’s actually better. Google Maps has been ass for the last 4 years for me. Wrong data, it takes me randomly off the freeway only to loop my back and put me right back where I got off. It has completely wrong traffic data, and it has road closures it thinks are still open. When I travel around the bay for work I mostly use Apple Maps.
I experienced the same glitches that everyone else did when it first launched but it’s been perfectly fine for years. My gf’s android Google Maps will routinely have us make several turns just to end up on the same road we were already traveling on so navigation is done on my phone and the playlist on hers.
Yeah, the first time it happened on Google Maps I thought it was just an issue with like that small section of bridge/overpass, but then it did it again and I was just stuck in the same traffic but now even further behind. It was incredibly odd. By like the 4th time I was like “ok, if I don’t stop using you then it’s on me for being so frustrated.”
Organic Maps or OsmAnd is out there, just saying.
Wanting to mention CoMaps and that it was forked from Organic Maps.
The projects aren’t very diverged yet so you can still migrate your pins with an easy export/import
Organic Maps is so fucking good, I keep so much of it downloaded as a backup for when I’m offline, because it just works. That said, I still use Google maps due to the reviews of businesses and traffic data when navigating normally, but it’s good to know a great alternative is out there.
You might want to switch to CoMaps. Most developers fled there after the owners of Organic Maps showed shady behaviour regarding donations and the future of the project
I’ll check it out. Any links to articles on the shady behavior?
Edit: CoMaps is like Organic Maps but better, regardless of the development practices, neato.
This is a good place to start reading :)
Wow, interesting stuff. Huge thanks for the tip off about CoMaps.
Are they CarPlay enabled?
Yes Organic Maps and CoMaps (its open community fork) both support Car Play
OsmAnd does have a CarPlay option. Dunno about Organic Maps and its forks.
stupid because people literally pay alot of money for Apple tech,but maybe greed got into them.
cackles maniacally in GrapheneOS
if pixel phones weren’t so expensive id i get one just for graphene
“What the fuck you gonna do? Use Android?!??! Fuck you and and be happy about it” - Tim Apple, probably
Doesn’t Google Maps have ads?
Kind of.
They’re not in your face. But they make sure their sponsors show up on the maps with custom pins
I don’t know. Probably.
The answer you’re looking for is, “Of course it does!”
Sundar Pichai: “Huh, well I guess we’ll just follow Tim Apple’s lead and start injecting ads in google maps and anyone who uses google maps API too.”
There are already ads in Google Maps, there is nothing for them to follow.
What? Where are they? Maybe it depends on the region…
Everything is shitty! 🎶
OrganicMaps isn’t.
On iOS you can install a system-wide DNS configuration profile for AdGuard without having to install any app.
It doesn’t deal with ads served up from the exact same API/domain as the content, but any source of ads that is drawn from a different domain can be blocked and usually is blocked.
About the only apps I still see ads in are YouTube, Pinterest, and Facebook. All apps that use third-party advertising feeds have those ads blocked.
Treat the cause, not the symptom.
Treat the cause,
Right. Like obtaining a controlling interest in Apple is just so easy to achieve. Now, where did I leave my random trillions?…
Wow, so brave.
Courage.
OpenStreetMap for the win, my peoples.
Specifically OSMAnd.
Works perfectly as long as you already know where you’re going!
And the local community keeps locations up to date
Seen big cities that are great in mapping every flower pot, but have restaurants and shops that don’t exist for over half a decade
Even when they are up to date the search blows.
I tried to find something the other day and just because it’s funny here are the results. The business is called X’s Y but in osm it’s stored as Xs, no apostrophe.
- osmand: no results
- magic earth: finds Xs, fails X’s-- obviously humans recognize this as identical so the current search algo will never reliably find this store regardless of data entry
- comaps: no results, when I added the full real name (X’s Y, it showed me Ya terrace, Y with one letter swapped avenue, etc)
So you tell me, if it can’t find a restaurant for which it has existing data, why is it the users’ fault for not collecting more data?
For me it works perfectly. Try out Organic Maps or one of its forks then?
That’s comaps now that organic is persona non grata
I don’t really know what happened but when your app only works with community support and the community hates you enough to hard fork the app, it’s time to switch.
Might be worth looking deeper into it though, in why the forkers hate the dev.
The only difference between these maps and their data is the effort by the community to update it. Google doesn’t pay people to update places, they entice them with points and advertising. Google and Apple maps would be no different from OSM if no one updated them
sure. doesn’t change the problem, though
(if more people used Street Complete, it would make the problem a lot better)
Google maps only ever knew where you were going because Ingress players and Google “local guides” filled in all the data for them.
Update the out of date data. Its not hard and the more people use it the more accurate the places data will be.
You can complain about why google works better if you want to, but it still does.
Your response also ignores the fundamental problem: even when the data is in open street maps, the search still sucks. No, I didn’t mean any of 20 things in Italy, I meant the Italian restaurant a mile away.
I use OSMAnd and the search is a lot better, not sure what client you are using.
Oh I’m running osmand~ and comaps and magic earth.
And by running I mean I occasionally confirm its still not good enough yet
It is a trade off though.
I may not be able to see the “nearest restaurants with reviews of 4 stars that are open now with no wait times” BUT I have been so many places where google or apple had not updated the map yet and only OSM got me where I was going.
So maybe it is fine to open a commercial map or local review site, or blog, or web page, that is not tracking you for store discovery, then put the address in OSM to actually get there.
And take the time to use street complete when you can, it is really easy and fills in things like hours open, accessibility, etc.
StreetComplete to help fill in the gaps. GeoShare to translate google/apple maps locations to geocoordinates for OSM, and then adding the place in OSMAnd if you login with the OpenStreetMaps editor plugin. This is how those of us who adopted Google Maps early added so much of their data…
I thought people liked using Apple products because of the premium experience that ecosystem provides.
They did. Someone at the top has been ruining that experience lately.
I switched from Google to Apple back in 2018 and the royal fucking up lately is making me start looking at how to go back.
I’m really disappointed with the direction and lack of quality from Apple these last few years.
Same, I had been on android since the OG Droid and switched around the same time for similar reasons.
If Apple is going to charge premium prices just to splash ads on their products I’m moving on again.
The ads don’t bother me as much as the low QA lately. I upgraded to iOS26 and it’s the buggiest product ever. I have the newest iPhone pro/max and it should be able to handle it fine. Siri never works, apps crash, freeze, the interface is extremely ugly to look at (the liquid crap). Just overall it feels half assed.
Yeah, I have an iPhone 15 Pro and Safari is freezing or just not even allowing me to close windows until I restart the app sometimes. That or websites won’t load and then I restart the app and try again and they load fine.
I haven’t tried turning it off yet, but my suspicion is the Liquid Glass and all the stuff it needs to do is taking priority.
well bad news, Google is going to be going walled garden soon as well, so the only options for apps will be google-approved ones. you can bet those options are going to quickly enshitify once you don’t have a choice in using them.
I’m getting a Linux phone soon so I can get out of this duopoly entirely.
I’m this close to getting a fucking TomTom. I need something that can do turn by turn navigation in a car, ideally through Android Auto, but nothing good goes on Android Auto anymore.
How long until we crack this protocol anyway so we can use Linux phones with Android Auto?
2026 is the year of the Linux phone
More like 2026 + 10, Linux phones are severely lagging behind, enough so that they are at least 10 years away from having enough adoption for banks and the like to recognize their existence, the annoying truth is that it cannot be mainstream until it is able to use these critical apps with no workarounds as “it works but isn’t allowed” will be the death knell of any amount of mainstream appeal.
I’m so tired of hearing people cry about banking apps. If you’ve got a working web browser you’ll survive.
How do you deal with 2fa? For capital one in particular, I don’t believe there is an option not to use their app, and the other banks that I use are in the same boat or adamantly recommend to use their app.
or do the smart thing and don’t do banking or other incredibly important stuff on a device that is easily stolen
first of all, you can bank in a browser on a mobile phone just fine. second of all, don’t do your banking on your phone. that is a horrible idea and is one of the reasons mobile phone theft is so lucrative, because people are so obliging to keep their entire financial information downloaded to a single device.
How do you deal with 2fa? For capital one in particular, I don’t believe there is an option not to use their app, and the other banks that I use are in the same boat or adamantly recommend to use their app.
one of the reasons mobile phone theft is so lucrative, because people are so obliging to keep their entire financial information downloaded to a single device
[Citation needed]
The most common reason for mobile phone theft is to wipe it and sell it, or just dismantle it for parts.
No common thief is going to be trying to break into an iPhone’s security system to get to someone’s banking data.
It’s amazing how Americans love poking their nose into everyone else’s affairs yet can be so oblivious. For some people a phone is literally the only device they have, they can’t do anything else.
I switched in 2021. I havent noticed any fuckupery. Whats been happening ?
You can name names, it’s Tim Cook, Craig Federighi, Phil Schiller, and Greg Joswiak.
I think it’s more likely just Tim Cook. The buck stops with him. Someone needs to say no to some of this stuff (liquid glass, yearly release schedules, etc.) and that someone should have been him.
I was so hopeful they might just skip one yearly release and focus on bug fixes and technical debt. But then they go and change the name of the version to match the calendar year, and now I’m convinced we’re never going to get a stable iOS again.
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If you’re not paying for it, you are the product; except for with 🍏 and then it’s both.
they did pay 1000$+ phones just to have ads on it.
Just like every Android phone that comes pre-loaded with trash apps you have to delete.
i bought a min OP12R, i had delete a couple apps i dont use on it. A carrier issued phone has even worst bloat. I just disabled most of the google ones, like play, and WALLET because it kept activating tag (fare machine)on public transport, i had to do a work around since there wasnt an easy way to completely eliminate that.
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They didn’t say literally anything about Android or Google…
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Idk what you’re talking about, I program my own OSs in assembly language and solder my own hardware from e-waste. Get gud normie.
Fair enough.
Open Street Maps doesn’t do any of this bullshit.
Oh, well, if Google does it then it must be okay.
