I swear, every time most of the time I see someone being particularly rude, ignorant, and inappropriate on a post (usually political in origin, or they swing it to being political) I click on their profile and see it has been created that same day.
They are only there to sow discord. Only to piss people off. Idk if we can just report them (for what?) but I’d like to try exposing them before responding and interacting…
I am guilty of gobbling up the bait. I’ve started looking at profiles of people that piss me off exceptionally and noticed they’re burner bot loser accounts.
I guess i just want to say I’ve noticed it!
Voyager has a setting to show a baby emoji next to the name of a user if their account is less than a month old and an account age. Probably one of the best features I’ve ever seen for immediately recognizing troll accounts.
nice. would love something like that on a web interface.
Voyager started as a progressive web app. vger.app. I prefer it to Lemmy’s interface even on computer.
I’m a big dumb. I’ve been using the Voyager app for a while and knew about the web app but never clicked I could use that on desktop.
I love that he called it “vger”
👀
I find at least one commenter with a new account on almost every post with more than 5 comments.
They tend to be negative.
Think I’m going to start welcoming them to Lemmy, note their activity to date, and ask them nicely what might have brought them to join. (If they are real, glad to have them, but I have found most Lemmy members came here from Reddit, not to make accounts to post in News or Politics or such places trolls would like.)
Until Lemmy updates to identify new accounts ala Voyager, I think that would be helpful to inform other users they may be talking to a troll.
There are approximately 433k accounts but only 48k Monthly Active Users.
It’s hard to believe that many of posts and comments are often the newest accounts, and though they will change tactics to using older accounts, at least it’s more work for them.
I recommend others do the same.
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For now, because Lemmy is relatively new. There’s a reason many bot farms run accounts that are unassuming, “normal” people. Accounts that are established have value. They can then sell those accounts to another group who needs to sew discord. The older Lemmy is, the less useful the new account icon will be.
Is voyager an app like Sync?
Yes
Yes, and no ads either.
There’s already an issue on lemmy-ui for it.
Love this comment from that GitHub page…
This is urgently needed for the upcoming elections.
The only problem though is a lot of time astroturfers/bots create accounts and then just let them sit idle for 6-9 months before using them.
Maybe you could combat that by deleting inactive accounts that seemed to never have been used.
But they can get around that. It’s a never ending battle against that kind of stuff.
Yeah exactly.
The filtering would had to be more sophisticated, instead of an age by date, maybe an age by number of posts within an amount of time, etc.
But astroturfers/bots can work with that too, to a certain extent.
Yeap… Lemmy is getting to Reddit form faster than expected
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In my experience, Lemmy is not as censored as Reddit
You can disagree here, as long as you keep it civil, all is good
Lmao. I went 14 years on Reddit without getting a single site ban, and barely lasted 14 days on .ml without getting banned for very controversial statements about, eg, that time Russia shot down a civilian airliner in Ukraine. And pointing out that the US revolution generally didn’t involve much mass rape. And calling out genocide denial on hexbear. And then mocking these petty bans. I’m sure this will get me another one.
Lmao. I went 14 years on Reddit without getting a single site ban, and barely lasted 14 days on ml
Not a metric but ok
Rest of keyboard diarrhea
Again, not what you say but how you say it
I’m sure this will get me another one.
Sounds like you are proud of them …
I think that one is better off not discussing these topics online at all.
I have never seen anything good come out of it, anywhere. Ever
Lmao, thank you mods for proving my point that .ml is heavily censored.
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The rule against mild criticism of the admins? It can’t be censorship if there are rules, right?
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Redit is SIGNIFICATLY more censored than lemmy
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Wonder what you said three hours ago to get banned from the Dunk Tank. You’re really lucky the modlog doesn’t elaborate on what it was, or I’d post the receipt here.
The person who makes Hyperland was blacklisted by freedesktop (Linux stuff) over saying something transphobic as far as I understand from a glance.
They made a post in response in which they said ‘This other person threatened to sexually assault people as revenge for something small. I’m not the only person deserving of shame’. I’m sure there’s more to this story, I don’t care.
A hexbear user in response to this story wrote there’s a false equivalence between a trans person calling for violence in a hyperbolic tweet and this app developer using their platform to spread anti-trans hate. I think, again, I do not care about the actual story, Fictitiousexistence’s comment doesn’t need context to be bad.
@fictitiousexistence@lemmy.ml replied with:
This leads me to believe that anyone who disagrees with Lyude is a Transexual Nobeards shithead.
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On Reddit you will be banned if you say something the mods don’t like and they take personally. And it can get you banned off the sire permanently too.
Often commenting on one thread will ban you from other subreddits entirely by bot. Plus all the same garbage of not being able to say words that are considered naughty or no-no words from people who think it makes them superior are all over reddit.
I once got banned from a “leftist” subreddit cause I pointed out that a post was right wing disinformation and the mod responded that they agreed with it so it couldn’t be propaganda and then spent like an hour yelling at me in my messages about how it was a starter leftist sub and that I didn’t belong if I wasn’t going to agree.
But honestly the world is full of the dumbest little shits and everyone everywhere has a quirk and Lemmy is full of people full of themselves and thinking their shit don’t stink. That and moderately well off liberals that can’t handle being told they are wrong because they “are well educated and know how things work”.
I do think it’s insane how quick people are to block and how even more empty it makes the fediverse, interesting that you are dealing with people that also have the ability to delete your replies though as that’s not really a thing on Lemmy so maybe a mastodon thing?
乁( •_• )ㄏFederal agents always rip the mask off when you point out they’re being fascists. I remember this one time I was in a liberal subreddit and this one guy started doing nazi talking points so I called them out and reported them. Suddenly I got a very threatening message in my DMs from their mods telling me that I better watch myself or there was going to be consequences then next thing I knew the subreddit shut down and has been down ever since. At the time I was floored that such a seemingly progressive place could just go hardcore nazi just out of the blue but now that I’m politically educated I now know that liberalism is little more than the larval form of outright nazism.
Don’t forget about shadowbans that attempt to make it seem like you aren’t banned when your entire account is hidden without your knowledge.
Oh God right! The weirdest darkest form of mild censorship.
I can decide if it’s clever or very fucked up.
I think it’s just very messed up, ultimately it doesn’t work against the real nasty people Reddit claims to be going up against because those people have bot armies that monitor their astroturf accounts so they know when the shadowbans happen and dump the account to move on to the next ones. No this system disproportionately affects the people who aren’t expecting it and probably don’t even deserve it.
Also for braindead spammers it’s actually a terrible strategy because spammers’ purpose is both to annoy users and chew through your resources, even if they are shadowbanned and uploading multiple gigabytes of white noise they aren’t annoying people but they are chewing through bandwidth and CDN storage. IMO that’s not feasible long term, and wouldn’t even be initially feasible for most Fediverse services, hence why most basically just don’t do it.
i have only ever had one post of mine be deleted, and that was a post talking about suicide. I don’t exactly agree with the deletion, but hey i don’t make the rules, it’s their community.
How long til Lemmy hivemind?
Honestly? Probably a couple months or so.
It already exists it just depends on your instance.
Plenty of group think moving through posts and competing with other group think.
Couple more rounds of enshitification I presume. The IPO got me to move. I guess it wasn’t fun posting on reddit anymore now that I’m making spez money
Nazis have been attacking Lemmy for quite awhile now. They’ve only really been finding success on a few problem instances, though.
As soon as anyone starts arguing in bad faith I just block them. I don’t really care what they have to say about me for my argument.
The only problem with blocking is they still see your comments you make, and can respond to them negatively, and you have no way of defending yourself because you haven’t seen their comment.
My wish would be for blocking to prevent those who are blocked from reading comments from the blocker.
I would love better blocking. But I understand the costs of doing that in a truly federated environment. I’ll just settle for not caring what they actually say about me. The whole point of the trolling is to get a rise out of someone.
Stopping viewing on a per-account basis doesn’t make sense to me, since people don’t need accounts to view any content in Lemmy, therefore it’s trivial to bypass by logging out or fetching the discussion information without logging in from a custom frontend. What would be better is simply stopping them from interracting, just like what happens with bans, they can still view but all interractions are simply dropped or disallowed.
I wish you could set a personal minimum “karma” and age requirement. Like I don’t want to hear from anyone with an account made in the last week. And no one with karma below zero.
It’s not really a high bar, it mainly blocks people who get banned all the time.
How do you even see karma?
I dunno. It was there before. Maybe just total their last 5 comment scores. So it’s easy to just not be a dick all the time and get through the filter.
But how would one acquire karma if no one sees their comments?
Also automatically shadow banning new users will mean cool people that come to the site will get the impression that it sucks and leave and never come back.
You could just block users with a total < 0 points for those comments.
Karma is easily falsified on the lemmyverse though. I have a maintenance user and a normal user on my server, I can use them both to vote, and thats just easy and not even intentional.
You shouldn’t have to do a fucking DOD level background check on someone typing shit on the internet…
Prolly lots of bots…
I just blocked a user, because I just kept seeing their name pop up and commenting on ‘everything’
Account created 9 months ago with 15000+ Comments That’s like 60 comments a day.
Bot or not, someone with that many comments a day needs to go outside and experience life before posting their opinion on fucking everything.
I might be able to do 60 in a day but not consistantly over 9 months.
What’s even funnier (sadder let’s be honest), is some of them are memed like they are some god in some of these communities they spam relentlessly.
Was it Flying Squid? I see them comment multiple times in nearly every thread I’m in.
EDIT: 30,000 comments in 10 months. Jesus.
Flying squid was the guy with health issues that went to Mayo to try to get help. Spent like two weeks just waiting for appointments. On his last day there he got some good news on a diagnosis. When he came to share it people had shit all over him. We never got to find out what happened.
Died . rip good guy too from the jist of it
Title
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Or Viking Hippie, or some of the other names we’ve seen everywhere. Reminds me of maxwellhill on reddit. I don’t know how someone can read that post and then come to any other conclusion than Ghislane Maxwell was maxwellhill, but when you search maxwellhill, the articles are all refuting it while not touching on many or any of the commonalities in that thread.
Guess we’ll know when we start seeing the same few names pop up as mods for top communities.
That dude is a mod now. He roams around news communities endlessly antagonizing any user who doesn’t toe his anti-Israel stance. That’s why he has a ridiculously high comment count.
Nah they’re just an active user with good memes
Hey man, some people just shit post at work all day… and have a crippling addiction.
We are effectively in an information war with Russia, and that’s really driving up the trolling. Not that every troll is a Russian bot, but they are really driving the trend and giving inspiration to terrible people. A lot of it is also laundered garbage from anarcho-capitalist “think tanks”.
I guess I’m lucky. I must subscribe to more or less of an echo chamber. Fuck trolls.
We can expect this with any system that grows in size, becomes popular right? I don’t know the science behind it, but communities over a certain size naturally create subcommunities or attract partisans, antagonists, anarchists with a tendency to troll for fun. It’s the way of things.
That’s why huge instances are bad, they can’t moderate all those users (I am on a bigger instance myself tho don’t judge me).
China and Russia trying to step up the political discord between people ahead of the election in November.
Gamergate and Russiagate, we’re bringing back 2016, apparently.
“The Russian and Chinese oligarchs are taking over!” - Western oligarchs probably
i think that it’s a lot more likely that a few people are just making burner accounts to be dicks on the internet than some weird QAnon-esque conspiracy theory that both the Russian and Chinese governments are not only aware of a tiny reddit clone but also are actively employing people (who all happen to be fluent in english) to create fake accounts and convincingly imitate westerners all in order to slightly increase political divisions in america for a few thousand people by having arguments about already incredibly contentious issues.
Thank you! Like, this isn’t how foriegn influence campaigns work. Believing the jerk you’re arguing with is a Russian agent might make you feel like you’re in a Tom Clancy novel, but the odds are it’s just a dweeb with multiple accounts. Foriegn influence campaigns make sock-puppets to repeat the same 5 talking points on many communities as possible, and maybe have a few canned replies. They don’t fight with the same person in a 20 reply thread over the course of 2 days.
It’s not a “QAnon-esque conspiracy theory”. Russia’s online influence in American politics has been fairly well documented. That being said, I think it’s somewhat unhealthy to assume everyone who says something controversial is dishonest or a troll. Not good for discourse.
The general consensus is that yes, Russians do troll. The conspiracy comes from the fact that EVERYONE you have a bad interaction with is a troll. No, a vast majority of Americans are just really shitty people and there’s a really good chance your argument is an organic one.
im not saying governments dont astroturf or anything, i meant it was a QAnon-esque conspiracy to assume that there were paid shills and bots around every corner and the vast majority of anti-american sentiment comes from a Russian cabal or something, especially on a comparitively tiny online space like lemmy. Like i’ve fairly frequently seen the accusation that lemmy is filled with paid actors / bots working for various countries from people just because they’ve suddenly been exposed to views that they’ve never really encountered before.
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Communities need an auto mod to limit age of accounts.
That’s big talk from a 5 day old account! 😜
Checks notes: I don’t know what you mean, I’m 2024 years old
Why yes, we even had a balrog…
.ml is very obviously like 20% right wing trolls pretending to be leftists. Literally everyone on the fediverse can see it except for the admins who protect these trolls because of Poe’s law blindness.
Use the report button when you see those, it’s the quickest way for them to be noticed by mods and admins.
People don’t report shit, then complain stuff goes unmoderated.
Like, you don’t have to report every single comment a troll makes, but at least report one so a mod looks at it
Here’s a good example. An account I have blocked replied to me. If they go into a sub I moderate and start acting like a jackass, I’ll never know because I have them blocked.
The only way I’d see it, is if someone reported it.
This is why, when I was a reddit moderator (r/Firefox), I never blocked users even if they were absolute trash to me. I always thought of that as a severe limitation of the platform, there should be a setting to show blocked user’s content (labelled as such) in communities you moderate.
People do report stuff, get yelled at by the mods, and then get banned by the admins for abuse of the reporting system, or mod abuse for getting clarification.
So if you do what you are supposed to, you get banned.
Would be better if moderation was actually taken seriously and the admins don’t excuse terrible mod behavior.
People do report stuff, get yelled at by the mods, and then get banned by the admins for abuse of the reporting system, or mod abuse for getting clarification.
What mods/admins are doing this? I would not stick around a community or instance run like this. Luckily with the Fediverse, you can choose what instances or communities you want to go to, you’re not stuck in the same way you were on Reddit. Use that power - don’t let abusive mods/admins be your host.
Moderating comments, even trolling is suppressing free speech. So it goes against the entire purpose of fediverse, it’s an issue with its own system. So people say to report them, but they won’t act on reports since just having an opinion that goes against the narrative can fall under free speech. And moderation it will create other issues.
Go elsewhere, smaller communities, less content, more moderation so less content, it’s all potential issues all the way down that are created by itself.
So it goes against the entire purpose of fediverse
The purpose of the Fediverse is not free speech or censorship-resistance. It’s more like to have a choice in your social media landscape and to make it more democratic, via users choosing what server to use. If you want a server that doesn’t supress free speech, join one like that or make it yourself. If you want a more strictly moderated server, go to one like that or make it yourself.
And yea your choice may not be as popular so maybe there’ll be less content, but you’ll be in the area you chose and maybe others will follow you over time.
Those sound like extremely edge cases and are not a good reason to not justify not reporting anything.
Moderators are volunteers and most of them simply want to make their communities better, so they do these reports seriously. Plus at this stage Lemmy lacks robust tools to help them accomplish this. The very least general users can do is flag problem comments and accounts to help them out.
There’s posts about mods complaining about users using the report button as a “super downvote” you go to those posts, there are people legit trolling in them and the content is still there.
The excuse is, Lemmy needs content, so they are very loose and liberal in applying moderation like that against users that add content.
I’ve had an admin defend a mod when I reported them with “they aren’t as bad as some of the others”. So Lemmy admins know they have moderation issues, if they fix it, they lose their content and their free labor. So they just turn a blind eye and let the mods do what they want, which is quite frankly nothing. And when asked they report you to the admins. They really only deal with illegal stuff unfortunately, since they have to or they can get in shit personally.
Trolls unfortunately add content, which is desperately needed. Some communities deal with it, larger let it go for discussion and metrics sake. Lemmy isn’t perfect, and we should be able to discuss its darker side.
Are you talking about Lemmy.ml specifically or Lemmy in general?
Ugghh that’s a good point, this was .world for admins, but the moderation issues seem to be non instance specific.
Also makes me wonder if some of the trolling is dealt with and its federation issues then…
Still, the amount of trolling comments, and users being banned for pretty frivolous things isn’t a good look.
Trolling is simply noise and garbage to dispose of when it becomes an attack on the person. It brings nothing of value and it diminishes the value of everything else it pollutes.
Trolling is simply noise and garbage to dispose of when it becomes an attack on the person.
Trolling doesn’t ONLY require personal attacks…. That’s the issue, mods only step in when things progress too far and have reached that point….
There’s also a fine line between legitimate trolling and having unpopular or dissenting opinion. I’ve seen plenty of threads where 2 or more people are arguing about a given topic, and while the unpopular opinion isn’t being inflammatory or breaking any rules, they still get their comments removed after being down voted into the ground. It’s happened to me as well.
My only contention with this is finding a way to foster conversation without censoring opinions just because they’re not widely shared. As long as the argument is in good faith, mods shouldn’t be removing content they don’t agree with, only those that are inflammatory, overly insulting, blatant trolling/shilling, or breaking community rules.
I think it depends. You can be a really polite Baptist preacher being very earnest in !196 about how you think people should behave, and that’s just not what they want. Even in a discussion thread, writing a nonspecific defense of FGM, for example, is going to be offensive enough to probably disrupt the conversation, and I can see removing it.
I’m not suggesting that’s what’s happening; just saying that I like your idea, with some tweaks
Lol i see their downvote. that one really hates you
Unpopular opinion but I rather downvote. I want to see people’s bad opinions instead of pretending they don’t exist.
The ones that stand out to me are the ones that take offense at mundane things, because they’re looking at it through a skewed mental filter. As far as I can tell, they’re genuine. I don’t know what to make of it, so I just make liberal use of the block button.
That’s some fucking ableist bullshit, not everyone is neurotypical you know. Fucking bigot.
You are really proving his point, eh? Or are you being silly and trolling him? I seriously cannot tell.
Not trolling per se, more like an experiment.
I agree with OP that I’m sick of brain dead people picking some random bullshit to engage in. But clearly lemmy as a community has lost the ability to “don’t feed the troll”. Or in other words, lemmings get just as angry against the random bullshit as the random bullshitter is angry for his random bullshit.
The correct response to my post should have been “that’s probably satire”. Instead lemmy went 😡😡😡
The correct response to my post should have been “that’s probably satire”.
Isn’t that what both replies basically say?
Both replies, but not the downvotes
The correct response to my post should have been “that’s probably satire”. Instead lemmy went 😡😡😡
But at the end of the day, how do you truly know, either way?
Especially when people don’t label it as such with a /s.
Understanding context is a skill that has atrophied in younger generations. Reading comprehension is not really being taught in school anymore.
Could be genuine. People with a skewed mental filter don’t like to be reminded by someone with an upright one
forgot the /s
forgot the /s
This.
I didn’t forget, I left it off to see what would happen. Went about as I expected.
