I swear, every time most of the time I see someone being particularly rude, ignorant, and inappropriate on a post (usually political in origin, or they swing it to being political) I click on their profile and see it has been created that same day.

They are only there to sow discord. Only to piss people off. Idk if we can just report them (for what?) but I’d like to try exposing them before responding and interacting…

I am guilty of gobbling up the bait. I’ve started looking at profiles of people that piss me off exceptionally and noticed they’re burner bot loser accounts.

I guess i just want to say I’ve noticed it!

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    Voyager has a setting to show a baby emoji next to the name of a user if their account is less than a month old and an account age. Probably one of the best features I’ve ever seen for immediately recognizing troll accounts.

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        Love this comment from that GitHub page…

        This is urgently needed for the upcoming elections.

        The only problem though is a lot of time astroturfers/bots create accounts and then just let them sit idle for 6-9 months before using them.

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          Maybe you could combat that by deleting inactive accounts that seemed to never have been used.

          But they can get around that. It’s a never ending battle against that kind of stuff.

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            Yeah exactly.

            The filtering would had to be more sophisticated, instead of an age by date, maybe an age by number of posts within an amount of time, etc.

            But astroturfers/bots can work with that too, to a certain extent.

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      For now, because Lemmy is relatively new. There’s a reason many bot farms run accounts that are unassuming, “normal” people. Accounts that are established have value. They can then sell those accounts to another group who needs to sew discord. The older Lemmy is, the less useful the new account icon will be.

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      I find at least one commenter with a new account on almost every post with more than 5 comments.

      They tend to be negative.

      Think I’m going to start welcoming them to Lemmy, note their activity to date, and ask them nicely what might have brought them to join. (If they are real, glad to have them, but I have found most Lemmy members came here from Reddit, not to make accounts to post in News or Politics or such places trolls would like.)

      Until Lemmy updates to identify new accounts ala Voyager, I think that would be helpful to inform other users they may be talking to a troll.

      There are approximately 433k accounts but only 48k Monthly Active Users.

      It’s hard to believe that many of posts and comments are often the newest accounts, and though they will change tactics to using older accounts, at least it’s more work for them.

      I recommend others do the same.

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      Some people don’t get this:

      If your communities are filled with polarized nonsense, your people suck, not your tech.

      Right now, people’s suckyness worldwide is at an all time high.

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    Hexbear seems to have chilled out a bit, but I’ve seen people from non-leftist instances pretending to be leftist and arguing worse than the typical tankies.

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    It’s almost the European Parliament and US presidential elections. Just today our national crisis centre heightened the threat level after a presumed Russian threat mail was send to Wallonian schools yesterday.

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    Ya, Lemmy is speed running the worst things about Reddit but struggling to build the niche communities that would make people want to hang around.

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      Yes but not that much I see the communities are starting to materialize but many that are a 1 to 1 copy didn’t took off sadly the Warframe one is a good example, but you see the pixel dungeon one is going great even Evan00 (the dev of shattered) is buzzing in and the helldivers2 is starting to get to the frontpages. I guess the fediverse moves in a more organical way? Regarding the trolls is normal is a “ladran Sancho” situation, we are getting more people in and that includes idiots. Sadlly/Luckly idiots comes in the full spectrum of races backgrounds and preferences.

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      The thing that’s making me kinda want to leave is it feels like even more of an echo chamber then Reddit was, especially when you see someone calling for the death of someone at least once a week or so

      Quite often see people getting downvote bombed and dogpiled for having different political opinions

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    I noticed votes related to political comments are suddenly shifting to the right which was different just 1 week ago.

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    Shoutout to Voyager, for automatically marking new accounts with a baby emoji. It’s a feature ripped straight from Apollo, and it should honestly be the standard.

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    As soon as anyone starts arguing in bad faith I just block them. I don’t really care what they have to say about me for my argument.

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      The only problem with blocking is they still see your comments you make, and can respond to them negatively, and you have no way of defending yourself because you haven’t seen their comment.

      My wish would be for blocking to prevent those who are blocked from reading comments from the blocker.

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        Stopping viewing on a per-account basis doesn’t make sense to me, since people don’t need accounts to view any content in Lemmy, therefore it’s trivial to bypass by logging out or fetching the discussion information without logging in from a custom frontend. What would be better is simply stopping them from interracting, just like what happens with bans, they can still view but all interractions are simply dropped or disallowed.

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        I would love better blocking. But I understand the costs of doing that in a truly federated environment. I’ll just settle for not caring what they actually say about me. The whole point of the trolling is to get a rise out of someone.

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      I wish you could set a personal minimum “karma” and age requirement. Like I don’t want to hear from anyone with an account made in the last week. And no one with karma below zero.

      It’s not really a high bar, it mainly blocks people who get banned all the time.

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          I dunno. It was there before. Maybe just total their last 5 comment scores. So it’s easy to just not be a dick all the time and get through the filter.

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            But how would one acquire karma if no one sees their comments?

            Also automatically shadow banning new users will mean cool people that come to the site will get the impression that it sucks and leave and never come back.

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        Karma is easily falsified on the lemmyverse though. I have a maintenance user and a normal user on my server, I can use them both to vote, and thats just easy and not even intentional.

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          It already exists it just depends on your instance.

          Plenty of group think moving through posts and competing with other group think.

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        Couple more rounds of enshitification I presume. The IPO got me to move. I guess it wasn’t fun posting on reddit anymore now that I’m making spez money

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            On Reddit you will be banned if you say something the mods don’t like and they take personally. And it can get you banned off the sire permanently too.

            Often commenting on one thread will ban you from other subreddits entirely by bot. Plus all the same garbage of not being able to say words that are considered naughty or no-no words from people who think it makes them superior are all over reddit.

            I once got banned from a “leftist” subreddit cause I pointed out that a post was right wing disinformation and the mod responded that they agreed with it so it couldn’t be propaganda and then spent like an hour yelling at me in my messages about how it was a starter leftist sub and that I didn’t belong if I wasn’t going to agree.

            But honestly the world is full of the dumbest little shits and everyone everywhere has a quirk and Lemmy is full of people full of themselves and thinking their shit don’t stink. That and moderately well off liberals that can’t handle being told they are wrong because they “are well educated and know how things work”.

            I do think it’s insane how quick people are to block and how even more empty it makes the fediverse, interesting that you are dealing with people that also have the ability to delete your replies though as that’s not really a thing on Lemmy so maybe a mastodon thing?
            乁⁠(⁠ ⁠•⁠_⁠•⁠ ⁠)⁠ㄏ

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              Federal agents always rip the mask off when you point out they’re being fascists. I remember this one time I was in a liberal subreddit and this one guy started doing nazi talking points so I called them out and reported them. Suddenly I got a very threatening message in my DMs from their mods telling me that I better watch myself or there was going to be consequences then next thing I knew the subreddit shut down and has been down ever since. At the time I was floored that such a seemingly progressive place could just go hardcore nazi just out of the blue but now that I’m politically educated I now know that liberalism is little more than the larval form of outright nazism.

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              Don’t forget about shadowbans that attempt to make it seem like you aren’t banned when your entire account is hidden without your knowledge.

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                Oh God right! The weirdest darkest form of mild censorship.

                I can decide if it’s clever or very fucked up.

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                  I think it’s just very messed up, ultimately it doesn’t work against the real nasty people Reddit claims to be going up against because those people have bot armies that monitor their astroturf accounts so they know when the shadowbans happen and dump the account to move on to the next ones. No this system disproportionately affects the people who aren’t expecting it and probably don’t even deserve it.

                  Also for braindead spammers it’s actually a terrible strategy because spammers’ purpose is both to annoy users and chew through your resources, even if they are shadowbanned and uploading multiple gigabytes of white noise they aren’t annoying people but they are chewing through bandwidth and CDN storage. IMO that’s not feasible long term, and wouldn’t even be initially feasible for most Fediverse services, hence why most basically just don’t do it.

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            Wonder what you said three hours ago to get banned from the Dunk Tank. You’re really lucky the modlog doesn’t elaborate on what it was, or I’d post the receipt here.

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              The person who makes Hyperland was blacklisted by freedesktop (Linux stuff) over saying something transphobic as far as I understand from a glance.

              They made a post in response in which they said ‘This other person threatened to sexually assault people as revenge for something small. I’m not the only person deserving of shame’. I’m sure there’s more to this story, I don’t care.

              A hexbear user in response to this story wrote there’s a false equivalence between a trans person calling for violence in a hyperbolic tweet and this app developer using their platform to spread anti-trans hate. I think, again, I do not care about the actual story, Fictitiousexistence’s comment doesn’t need context to be bad.

              @fictitiousexistence@lemmy.ml replied with:

              This leads me to believe that anyone who disagrees with Lyude is a Transexual Nobeards shithead.

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        i have only ever had one post of mine be deleted, and that was a post talking about suicide. I don’t exactly agree with the deletion, but hey i don’t make the rules, it’s their community.

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        In my experience, Lemmy is not as censored as Reddit

        You can disagree here, as long as you keep it civil, all is good

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          Lmao. I went 14 years on Reddit without getting a single site ban, and barely lasted 14 days on .ml without getting banned for very controversial statements about, eg, that time Russia shot down a civilian airliner in Ukraine. And pointing out that the US revolution generally didn’t involve much mass rape. And calling out genocide denial on hexbear. And then mocking these petty bans. I’m sure this will get me another one.

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            I think that one is better off not discussing these topics online at all.

            I have never seen anything good come out of it, anywhere. Ever

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            Lmao. I went 14 years on Reddit without getting a single site ban, and barely lasted 14 days on ml

            Not a metric but ok

            Rest of keyboard diarrhea

            Again, not what you say but how you say it

            I’m sure this will get me another one.

            Sounds like you are proud of them …

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            Lmao, thank you mods for proving my point that .ml is heavily censored.

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      i think that it’s a lot more likely that a few people are just making burner accounts to be dicks on the internet than some weird QAnon-esque conspiracy theory that both the Russian and Chinese governments are not only aware of a tiny reddit clone but also are actively employing people (who all happen to be fluent in english) to create fake accounts and convincingly imitate westerners all in order to slightly increase political divisions in america for a few thousand people by having arguments about already incredibly contentious issues.

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        It’s not a “QAnon-esque conspiracy theory”. Russia’s online influence in American politics has been fairly well documented. That being said, I think it’s somewhat unhealthy to assume everyone who says something controversial is dishonest or a troll. Not good for discourse.

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          The general consensus is that yes, Russians do troll. The conspiracy comes from the fact that EVERYONE you have a bad interaction with is a troll. No, a vast majority of Americans are just really shitty people and there’s a really good chance your argument is an organic one.

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          im not saying governments dont astroturf or anything, i meant it was a QAnon-esque conspiracy to assume that there were paid shills and bots around every corner and the vast majority of anti-american sentiment comes from a Russian cabal or something, especially on a comparitively tiny online space like lemmy. Like i’ve fairly frequently seen the accusation that lemmy is filled with paid actors / bots working for various countries from people just because they’ve suddenly been exposed to views that they’ve never really encountered before.

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        Thank you! Like, this isn’t how foriegn influence campaigns work. Believing the jerk you’re arguing with is a Russian agent might make you feel like you’re in a Tom Clancy novel, but the odds are it’s just a dweeb with multiple accounts. Foriegn influence campaigns make sock-puppets to repeat the same 5 talking points on many communities as possible, and maybe have a few canned replies. They don’t fight with the same person in a 20 reply thread over the course of 2 days.

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    Nothing wrong with someone disagreeing with you at all. Plenty of dictators throughout history hard-lining group think.

    Report troll accounts, for actual people you dont have torespond to every post so just ignore or at minimum be respectful, you can even attempt critical thought: you might just be wrong.

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    Also worth pointing out that the best way of reading this thread is looking at all of the removed comments in the modlog. Lol.

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        On Kbin and Lemmy instances, the link is called “Modlog” at the bottom of the page in browser. I don’t use any Fedi apps so I don’t know what it looks like there.

        You can see all of the deleted comments every day. I recommend everyone to look at the Modlog at least occasionally. You get a real pulse on how each community is moderated and you can make a better informed decision on where you actually want to hang out.

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        It’s not just an entertaining read, it’s a valuable resource to look at to determine if mods in certain communities are over-moderating. Imo for months, mods in many of the largest communities are far overstepping their roles and not just “moderating” their communities but actively censoring opinions they don’t like.

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            Sounds like I hit a nerve with you. If you don’t like it, then don’t read comments outside of that shit instance Lemmygrad. Til then, no one gives a fuck about your garbage opinions.

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          It’s not just an entertaining read, it’s a valuable resource to look at to determine if mods in certain communities are over-moderating.

          Agree. Honestly that’s where I find the entertainment from, actually looking at how the mods actually do their moderating, the kind of reasons why they give.

          It’s interesting to compare the moderation that happens between the different communities too.

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    Some threads have a handful of interactions that seem less than genuine, yes. Usually political and derailing and spoil the thread.