Escalation to violence is exactly what they want. It gives them all the justification they need to invoke the Insurrection Act, declare martial law and suspend your Constitutional rights. And not just in California.
Are you sure? It seems like the escalation is what they don’t want. And that’s why they’re having to call in the marines to try and scare people back into submission.
Passive acquiescence and blind obedience is what they want. That’s why the news media is so eager to label these protests as abnormal, intolerable, and anti-American. If the conservatives wanted protests, they wouldn’t be so eager to censor the protests’ advocates and so worried about valorizing these opposition efforts.
We had six months without protests. The administration seemed happy to escalate in their absence.
What if these protests aren’t what’s driving public policy? What if the problem is the administration itself and not the people reacting to the violence they’re inflicting on the locals?
And ask yourself this. If ICE came into your city, what kind of community would you want to live in? One where your neighbors took to the streets to shut down the police convoys and scare off these thugs? Or one where friendly neighbors locked their doors and hid, while reactionary neighbors singled you out for the police to grab?
I’m not opposed to protests…the LA protests in particular. I’m opposed to violent confrontations with Trump’s thugs. I’m opposed to citizens being the ones to escalate the situation. Trump already wants this. All I’m saying is don’t give him what he wants. Let them be the ones to escalate. We all know it’s coming…so why give him the satisfaction of making him look justified?
Don’t just hand him an excuse. Stare them straight in the eyes, and make them take it. That’s what protesting is all about. Your defiance is not about hitting back…it’s about taking a hit, and standing up again. Make them look like the bullies they are. Don’t legitimize their excuses. Prove that they’re hollow.
I’m opposed to citizens being the ones to escalate the situation.
“Stop resisting! Stop resisting!”
Don’t just hand him an excuse.
The excuse was the existence of Hispanic people in Paramount, California. Everything that followed was a consequence of Trump’s bigoted pogrom against Latinos.
Make them look like the bullies they are.
They already do. But slapping the “bully” bumper sticker on an ICE truck full of your neighbors does nothing to get them out of that truck.
What the people of LA are doing is so much more than optics. They are actively saving lives and guarding their friends and neighbors from police violence.
They are resisting in the most material and direct way anyone can ask.
What the people of LA are doing is so much more than optics. They are actively saving lives and guarding their friends and neighbors from police violence.
They are resisting in the most material and direct way anyone can ask.
That is true. But escalation will get those friends and neighbors killed.
Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass publicly urged protesters Monday not to give the Trump administration any pretext for what they’re already doing and will keep doing no matter what. “Angelenos—don’t engage in violence and give the administration an excuse to inflict all the damage they have been inflicting carte blanche for months on end,” said Bass, adding that Trump and his team are just looking for a reason to respond with violence, as they would have done whether or not any of this happened.
That’s an Onion article. You can tell because Trump hasn’t been shooting protesters for months already. That’s what comes next. And that’s when it stops being a protest, and turns into a civil war.
There’s a marginal difference. “Less lethal” rounds are still lethal when they’re fired directly at people, particularly if the wounded are denied medical attention and are subjected to further police violence after they’ve been injured.
If you’ve already decided that you want a civil war, then Trump doesn’t need to find an excuse. You’re going to force his hand. And any possibility that those soldiers might be on your side, disappears.
I didn’t say start blasting. Right wingers show up strapped all the time showing they mean business and are given plenty of space as a consequence. The cops can do the same for other Americans. If they can’t then it shows the public that it was never about individual rights and all about allowing one group they favor to get away with it.
So what? Do you just watch until you’re being herded into concentration camps anyway? This is the first instance of effective resistance to Trump (the April parades don’t count) since January and they’re calling in the Marines already. This was simply never going to end peacefully, because any effective act of mass resistance was going to be suppressed violently; avoiding escalation means avoiding resistance.
Resistance doesn’t have to include escalation. Leave that to them…they are going to escalate anyway. If the protesters are the ones doing it, then they just handed Trump exactly what he wants…a legal justification for his actions.
Neither Trump nor his followers give a flying fuck about legal justifications, and any so-called moderate who cares about that is a fascist in denial. Solidarity is indispensible when fighting tyranny, and solidarity demands that when members of your community are being kidnapped by the Gestapo you fight back, not watch and cry about legal justifications.
Where does the goal post moving stop? It’s not an escalation of violence if you don’t use it. It’s a threat to escalate to violence. If they aren’t afraid of you then they’re not going to change.
When they declare martial law are you going to be saying the same thing and hoping by just chanting loudly you change their mind?
Escalation to violence is exactly what they want. It gives them all the justification they need to invoke the Insurrection Act, declare martial law and suspend your Constitutional rights. And not just in California.
Are you sure? It seems like the escalation is what they don’t want. And that’s why they’re having to call in the marines to try and scare people back into submission.
Passive acquiescence and blind obedience is what they want. That’s why the news media is so eager to label these protests as abnormal, intolerable, and anti-American. If the conservatives wanted protests, they wouldn’t be so eager to censor the protests’ advocates and so worried about valorizing these opposition efforts.
Is that why they’re shooting random protesters with rubber bullets, even though there’s no justification? What are they trying to “prevent”?
Further protest and disruption of ICE raids by protesters.
Problem is the situation won’t improve without an escalation
No. The problem is, the situation will only get worse with escalation. Not better.
We had six months without protests. The administration seemed happy to escalate in their absence.
What if these protests aren’t what’s driving public policy? What if the problem is the administration itself and not the people reacting to the violence they’re inflicting on the locals?
And ask yourself this. If ICE came into your city, what kind of community would you want to live in? One where your neighbors took to the streets to shut down the police convoys and scare off these thugs? Or one where friendly neighbors locked their doors and hid, while reactionary neighbors singled you out for the police to grab?
I’m not opposed to protests…the LA protests in particular. I’m opposed to violent confrontations with Trump’s thugs. I’m opposed to citizens being the ones to escalate the situation. Trump already wants this. All I’m saying is don’t give him what he wants. Let them be the ones to escalate. We all know it’s coming…so why give him the satisfaction of making him look justified?
Don’t just hand him an excuse. Stare them straight in the eyes, and make them take it. That’s what protesting is all about. Your defiance is not about hitting back…it’s about taking a hit, and standing up again. Make them look like the bullies they are. Don’t legitimize their excuses. Prove that they’re hollow.
“Stop resisting! Stop resisting!”
The excuse was the existence of Hispanic people in Paramount, California. Everything that followed was a consequence of Trump’s bigoted pogrom against Latinos.
They already do. But slapping the “bully” bumper sticker on an ICE truck full of your neighbors does nothing to get them out of that truck.
What the people of LA are doing is so much more than optics. They are actively saving lives and guarding their friends and neighbors from police violence.
They are resisting in the most material and direct way anyone can ask.
That is true. But escalation will get those friends and neighbors killed.
Californians have a right to defend themselves
Protesters urged not to give trump administration pretext for what it is already doing
edit: Oh, what the hell. Let’s add a snippet.
That’s an Onion article. You can tell because Trump hasn’t been shooting protesters for months already. That’s what comes next. And that’s when it stops being a protest, and turns into a civil war.
Don’t be so eager to make that happen.
Maybe if we just ask nicely he will stop. Has anyone tried doing that?
He’s already ordered soldiers in, who have shot journalists and protestors
There is a massive difference between rubber bullets and live ammunition.
There’s a marginal difference. “Less lethal” rounds are still lethal when they’re fired directly at people, particularly if the wounded are denied medical attention and are subjected to further police violence after they’ve been injured.
Dude…that is a massive difference.
That was the police that shot them. Not soldiers.
It’s looking pretty inevitable at this point.
Only if people go into this looking for it.
You mean like the Trump administration?
Why would I reject the good timeline where the fascist superpower has a civil war instead of destroying the world?
If you’ve already decided that you want a civil war, then Trump doesn’t need to find an excuse. You’re going to force his hand. And any possibility that those soldiers might be on your side, disappears.
Fucking lol
Something tells me you’d be right there with them
I didn’t say start blasting. Right wingers show up strapped all the time showing they mean business and are given plenty of space as a consequence. The cops can do the same for other Americans. If they can’t then it shows the public that it was never about individual rights and all about allowing one group they favor to get away with it.
So what? Do you just watch until you’re being herded into concentration camps anyway? This is the first instance of effective resistance to Trump (the April parades don’t count) since January and they’re calling in the Marines already. This was simply never going to end peacefully, because any effective act of mass resistance was going to be suppressed violently; avoiding escalation means avoiding resistance.
Resistance doesn’t have to include escalation. Leave that to them…they are going to escalate anyway. If the protesters are the ones doing it, then they just handed Trump exactly what he wants…a legal justification for his actions.
Neither Trump nor his followers give a flying fuck about legal justifications, and any so-called moderate who cares about that is a fascist in denial. Solidarity is indispensible when fighting tyranny, and solidarity demands that when members of your community are being kidnapped by the Gestapo you fight back, not watch and cry about legal justifications.
Man, I would love to be as delusional as you are. It must be so much fun thinking life is like a video game.
Where does the goal post moving stop? It’s not an escalation of violence if you don’t use it. It’s a threat to escalate to violence. If they aren’t afraid of you then they’re not going to change.
When they declare martial law are you going to be saying the same thing and hoping by just chanting loudly you change their mind?