I’d like to know whether that means he can drive for the 2nd hald of his prison term.
Remember people, if you wanna kill someone, make sure you’re in a car! If you’re lucky you might not even get a jail sentence!
Prosecutor needs to be tried for treason. At the very least there needs to be a permanent license suspension.
He should never get his license back. What the hell. Only 6 months.
misdemeanor? so like, murder is illegal, murdering multiple with a truck is kind of legal
It doesn’t seem to have been done intentionally, so at best it’s involuntary manslaughter. They think he may have fallen asleep or something.
Okay so negligent manslaughter.
Meanwhile a couple of parents in North Carolina are facing manslaughter charges after they let their kids walk to the grocery store while they guided them over the phone and one of them got hit and killed by a car.
And the driver has not been charged.
wtf
It is equal in legality as throwing one sub at an ICE agent.
true dat
So, if you actually read the article, it says he claimed that the steering wheel locked up on him, but the NTSB stated that he suffered from severe fatigue. Maricopa county prosecutors said there wasn’t enough evidence to press any felonious charges.
So, at best, this would be a case of manslaughter (which is a felony), but there’s no conclusivity on whether it was with malicious intent or premeditated.
So no, he’s not a murderer. He negligently fell asleep at the wheel.
If u drive while being impaired (by whatever) ur a piece of shit and if u kill anyone doing that (except like suffering a heart attack or something not foreseeable) ur a murderer in my mind.
Failing to maintain a vehicle is an impairment. Also “my steering wheel locked up” is not a reason to not hit the brakes.
As someone who is a master of operating under what should be severe impairment I agree, being awake for 48 just leaves me vaguely slow when I talk. Also folks need to know their fucking limits, I refused to drive while I had food poisoning because I couldn’t think and also I didn’t want to shit myself in my car.
Fortunately, the law doesn’t operate on what’s in your mind.
Murder implies premeditation. The prosecutor and judge didn’t see evidence of premeditation.
the law doesn’t operate on what’s in your mind.
are you sure? intent is an element of many crimes.
edit: i tired nvm
A lot of people use the word “murder” in a colloquial sense and not a strictly legal one. Further some jurisdictions have degrees of murder where other jurisdictions would use manslaughter. I’m assuming the person you responded to meant the lesser charges.
Yeah im not gonna use a legal definition colloquially cuz im not a weirdo. And ur obviously right that even in a colloquial sense there is a difference between premeditated murder and non-premeditated murder. Im not arguing that the guy is jack the ripper.
I mean it is not, by any legal definition of the word, murder.
And our current system requires us all to keep going even when fatigued.
Homicide.
The legal system, in this case specifically, can kiss my ass.
the legal system likewise respects you
You actually get rewarded for running over cyclists, one more and it would all have canceled out
wtf America.
So, upon reading the article, the NTSB concluded the driver was extremely fatigued.
Do truck drivers not get tired where your from? Is this incident really an indictment of the entire United States? Is the rest of the world a tragedy-free paradise?
If you drive while tired and kill someone as a result that’s not an accident. You intentionally kept driving instead of pulling over and taking a nap.
There is effectively no difference in drunk driving and driving while extremely tired. Both impair your driving ability equally.
IMO driving while tired is worse as the impairment creeps up on you for hours and you can stop at any time. There should be almost no impairment in your decision making.
On drugs it conceivable that you took a couple of shots and then your drunken mind decided to drive. In this case the decision to drive was made by someone impaired.
If you drive in a professional capacity your employer should be held accountable too. People that drive their employees to drive unsave should lose their business and spend some time in jail.
Never had to report to a boss, eh?
i don’t care enough about your boss to ignore 2 people dying
it should be negligent homicide unless mechanical failure can be proven and even then he should have to show proper upkeep
cars are 1000 pound+ death machines if people don’t respect the responsibility they should face more then this dude is getting
I’m not ignoring their deaths. Send him to jail for a year, sure. But it won’t fix the problem and it will allow him to experience life inside prison. I don’t think they teach vehicle maintenance in there.
if it was due to negligence, there has to be real consequences, we have non violent drug offenders doing more time
if nothing else he shouldn’t get his license back
I largely agree, but the Maricopa prosecutor and judge saw it differently.
Edit: Downvotes don’t change reality.
Doesn’t mean much. Police violence cases are regularly ignored by prosecutors and judges due to lack of public interest/insufficient evidence you didn’t deserve to be battered.
Yeah, that’s very true. That driver also doesn’t deserve to get convicted of something more severe than what he actually did.
he killed 2 people
seems like he did plenty
No, because we have mandatory breaks and such. Every second gets fully recorded and stored for authorities to check. Driving without sleep just isn’t worth the risk of losing your license
So does the United States in their trucking industry. This guy just fucked up horribly. He is not, however, a murderer which implies premeditation.
Driving drunk is also premeditated. As should lack of sleep be
I’m glad you and everyone else chose that double shift.
“Premeditated” in the context of homicide means someone intended to kill someone else. That is, they set into motion a course of actions because they believed that course of action would result in the death of a person.
Homicide in the context of fatigue or impairment are not usually premeditated because people generally do not put themselves in those cognitive states believing that doing so will result in the death of someone else.
Historically judicial systems have recognized that those cognitive states are more likely to result in unintentional deaths so do hold people operating vehicles under those conditions to a higher standard of punishment than, say, a sober person involved in a fatal crash. At the same time they consider intent and hold people in those circumstances to a lower standard of punishment than those who actually intended to kill someone.
How long until ICE sees his name and deports him because “criminal”
BANANA
Interesting hypothesis. I’d love to peruse an executive summary of your research methodologies.
It’s short for bananas banana republic. As in the law is fucked up, or it isn’t followed. USA has become a banana republic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republicI just though I’d shorthand it, because there are so many news stories that show this, that it’s exhausting to respond to them individually.
How does that apply here?
Arizona is part of USA, and 1 year for killing 2 people due to gross irresponsibility.
The laws are not designed for justice, but to benefit the rich.Just because it doesn’t sate your lust for vengeance?
Legit how did you come to that conclusion
We have here a case that went the full legal cycle, and it doesn’t seem to meet their approval for satisfactory retribution.
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Sentencing people to life in prison wont bring the dead back alive. He clearly didn’t intend to kill anyone and intentions matter. I don’t get the blood thirst here.
I’m not asking for blood, just his license. He’s demonstrated he is not capable of safe operation.
He killed 2 and injured 11
The very fact that you’re having to ask why people want a bigger punishment for that says it all
Would you say the same thing if he were drunk? Why or why not?
I’d say killing a person because you were drunk driving is worse offence than killing someone because you fell a sleep but neither of them are intentional. If he did this because he hates cyclists it would be a whole another story.
But why is it a worse offense? In both cases you have plenty of notice that you’re driving impaired. One could argue it’s worse for tired drivers because their judgement isn’t clouded by an intoxicating substance that impairs judgement.
even an accident this big deserves more unless it was outside his control
if nothing else that license should be suspended way longer
Why should people be held responsible for killing other people!? You have a responsibility when you drive. To not kill people. It really shouldn’t be difficult.
In addition to the pending prison sentence, he must pay $2,500, complete 60 hours of community service and submit to quarterly drug testing as part of the plea deal. His driver’s license will also be suspended for nearly six months.
a whole 6 months!
