Who are they supporting this time
I can totally imagine the avengers debating for years “well no we still don’t have enough proof of genocide, the best action is inaction” while immediately go to raze an Iranian city after an unfounded rumor of a WMD
That is way too believable.
Wasn’t that kind of the plot of Civil War?
#deep
Disney absolutely who the antagonist represented in the winter soldier
Basically every mainstream media is “We can’t kill the villain”
opens history book
LMAO
And then there is Andor…
Bill Burr shot first!
Bill Burr shot only.
And speaking of Burr, I’m happy to hear he doesn’t sell out to the MAGA bastards and will call out their bullshit.
This is why I loved the scene in F is for Family when Frank responds to the ‘be the bigger and better person and let go’ by straight up punching and knocking his abusive elderly dad after meeting up with him instead of burying the trauma further.
People are looking for a left wing Rogan. But I think we have that with guys like Bur
The Gatekeepers on any sort of left moderation would have canceled the left wing Joe Rogan long before he can make a point.
Bad faith, and or lazy, mean, etc rolled into online communities where anyone disagreeing with the consensus is labeled a bigot in bad faith and misunderstood on purpose…
Our progressive champions, lazily misunderstanding what the community of bad faith pricks suggests. Great plan to take back america under that fine structure. It has worked so well until now! /s
Bill Burr is not left. He’s a true centrist. The problem with America is that the right is so far right anyone left of them is considered left.
I’ll take it.
Wakanda is a monarchist enthnostate that tortures outsiders and even shows outright hostility to those helping them. Their leadership is determined by the most violent among them. And this society is presented a utopia.
I fucking hate these movies.
I tried watching the animated show recently, and its basically Wakanda throughout history stealing vibranium from other civilisations because they feel entitled to complete control over the element, usually with large amounts of colateral damage and theft of deeply important cultural artifacts in the process. I assume there’s some alegory I’m missing but they just come off as assholes.
Are they bad guys in that?
The framing suggests they’re meant to be the good guys?
Nah, they’re morally grey/bad in Eyes of Wakanda. The point of the show is to explore how messed up their isolationism was. That’s why the last episode is about
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a time Traveller making sure that Killmonger spurs T’challa to finally end their isolationist policy so they don’t doom themselves and the world.
Not really. Unlike the Marvel movies, Wakanda in the comics is not a perfect utopia and has a lot of its own prejudice.
Well… To put it differently, unlike the movies, Wakanda’s prejudice isn’t depicted as a fine and perfectly acceptable utopia.
Keep in mind, in the comics, Storm from The X-Men is Wakandan royalty. She should be queen. But she got exiled from her homeland at a rather young age for being a mutant.
The country is threatened by a villainous black liberation agitator and saved with the help of the CIA.
They might as well have had Abdel Fattah El-Sisi play the lead role.
Don’t need to jump all the way to Wakanda. Thanos is an eco terrorist. Ultron is a peace activist. Magneto is patterned after Malcolm X.
The Marvel universe is the story of how a billionaire arms dealer and the US military save the world from deranged leftists. Disney heroes always fight for the status quo and the villains want to make things better (but also they’re written to be crazy and violent). It’s a billion dollar “I drew you as Soyjak and me as the chad” franchise.
Walt Disney was a major force behind the Red Scare in Hollywood, turning in his own animators for unionizing, and they’ve been terrible ever since.
Thanos is an eco terrorist. Ultron is a peace activist. Magneto is patterned after Malcolm X.
So much of this is modern to the MCU as well. What gets me about X-Men is how much racial profiling, ethic ghettos, and a hyper-militant police force played a roll in the original comic books (and 90s cartoon). Modem iterations boiled all that away and just made Magneto some angry asshole [survived the Holocaust].
I will say… Magneto as a Zionist worked disturbingly well. But they’ll never do that arc under the Disney brand.
Well the funny part is that most of the “heroes” they sell are not really heroes, just defenders of a status quo america that never really existed
See also: “Marvel Defenders of The Status Quo” (2022-06-22) by Pop Culture Detective.
Zemo did nothing wrong.
Zemo literally caused trillions of sentient beings all around the universe to get erased out of existence by fragmenting the Avengers.
He did not know Thanos was a thing.
Maybe that’s why all their stories suck, completely unfounded in reality
thinking of all the movies where good triumphs over evil
You’re right. Evil usually wins IRL.
They treat us like the naive children we behave like.
It reminds me of a meme I recently saw of a preacher in front of a bunch of Indians, and he says “Before we came, you worshipped the SUN!”
And one of the Indians says “Dude, the sun is real.”
“Yeah well, my god is invisible!”
“Dude, you can’t look at ours or you’ll burn your eyes out.”
He has a point. It’s ironic that the only piece of “evidence” most religions have is a book written by humans.
Any belief in the sun/moon/stars/whatever… At least you can point and say, there it is.
But Christianity is normal and not crazy at all, and believing in Ra is the crazy thing… Sure. Yeah.
I think it’s all nuts. But whatever.
The only piece of evidence we have for a lot of things is a book written by humans
the only piece of “evidence” most religions have is a book written by humans.
Evangelism typically involves more than just a book. There’s inevitably some amount of mysticism - faith healing, weather events that turn the tide of a pitched battle, communing with the dead, miraculous survival stories, straight up stage magic.
Any belief in the sun/moon/stars/whatever… At least you can point and say, there it is.
There’s inevitably some kind of reverse causation in these faiths. Humans are constantly asserting they can manipulate the heavens with ritual and sacrifice.
You won’t find me coming to the defense of either large structured religions nor to the defense of the sun god, or his celestial counterparts.
It’s all Hocus pokus.
For less insane religions and catholicism, they have centuries of philosophy and reinterpretation to fit new societal contexts to look back on.
JK Rowling wrote a whole book series about how bullying is a horrible and self-perpetuating cycle, and now spends most of her time bullying a marginalised group
JK Rowling
No, Joanne!
I.e., I understand she greatly prefers (absolutely detests) being addressed that way. :D
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No.
Other people’s right to exist is not just “an opinion outside of the mainstream”, and she is not just quietly “having” these opinions.
Delete your post and don’t make anything like it again. Zero fucking tolerance for Nazis.
Edit: wait I just had a look and this is a 5-day old troll account posting nazi shit all over Lemmy. Reporting and blocking
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“Alternative Facts” and opinions that do not correlate with reality (like the “opinion” that trans people or any other vulnerable group are in any way lesser beings or do not have the right to exist) are either mental derangement or straight up lies. and these lies are poisonous for communities and lead to to prejudice and violence, so they have to be called out and stopped whenever possible.
Just like yours.
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What are you talking about? Cause it really sounds a lot like you are just full of shit.
You’re a moron
Well you are did caricature of the work mob that has allowed the Republicans to seize absolute power. So maybe worry about your own fucking problems.
Rowling likes to hang out with Nazis because they agree on trans rights and that’s more important to her than anything else
She’s bringing her opinions to parliament and using them to kill people
What do you mean?
How do I hire you to provide this as a 24/7 service.
Am I the sea lion, the human, the bucket, the fish, or the vest?
And better yet, which are you?
That is a good picture, I like that, I do not see how it fits here. Still is great though.
I think it references the term “sealioning,” which means: someone on the internet who pops up, like a sealion, into an argument. He says, “BUT WHAT ABOUT XYZ?” which starts everyone responding and debating. But the sealion never continues the conversation. He was just there to disrupt.
I like how people are actively making up terms to silence those with legitimate questions. Hector is actively questioning and debating. But the kneejerk reaction is to call them sealion and remove their posts. Fucking brilliant.
Directly financing anti trans political movements
Lol bro wtf
Nobody that starts to reply with WTF and LOL ever makes it worthwhile point.
I would normally agree with that, but in this case it’s really the only appropriate response. Did you even see the absolute idiocy khaleer was responding to? I mean, WTF, LOL.
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Who gives a fuck if JK Rowling has a less than enlightened view on trans people? Like other than a passing fuck you on that JK rowling, is that what’s really important here?
If money and fame didn’t equate political influence, then yeah, no-one would give a fuck about her personal opinions.
As it is though, she’s a billionaire who has helped fund and push through anti-trans (bathroom) legislation in the UK.
JK Rowling backs protest over Scottish gender bill
I read her posts about the issue and didn’t find them in and of themselves that problematic if that was just some person’s view. But, again, she’s an influential billionaire who wants to push through laws which actively endanger trans people.
I still like Harry Potter though, but I’m not gonna fund it in any way. And haven’t, for like 20 years.
I do not know all the ins and outs, I do know she also opposed Scotland going for Independence which I think was a big mistake for them not to do. She obviously does not have the best opinions or analysis. Still though I think the reaction to her has been outsized to the amount of influence she would have had if not for being constantly attacked.
These hedge fund douchebags quietly fund this stuff and cause way more damage than she does without mention for instance.
There are no shortage of villains, and she is rather small potatoes. Also though it throws people into the arms of the far right over attacking a popular persona. She would not be meeting with Far Right figures or sponsoring legislation if not for an outsized vicious attack against her shitty opinions.
k lol
She’s literally been denying the Holocaust killed trans people. She funded a court case that made it so that were I live in the UK, it would be illegal for me to piss in any public restroom.
That’s like saying David Irving was “viciously attacked for having opinions out of the mainstream.”
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David Irving didn’t invent Holocaust denial. Is he guiltless in propagating it?
Her opinions are old school mainstream. She’s against the culture shift and if she existed decades ago, she’s be more openly racist rather then transphobic.
“Kingsley Shacklebolt” and “Cho Chang”…
Seamus Finnigan being proficient in blowing shit up is another one that is nuts in retrospect.
I’ve had a couple friends sprout bs like this.
What I’ve done with them is I ask them to check her twitter out with me. If more than 7 of her most recent 10 tweets at any time aren’t anti trans bs I’ll agree with them that she’s defending herself.
I’m gonna invite you to whenever you see this message go on her twitter and count. Then come back and tell me if she’s just defending herself or if she made it a huge part of her personality hating a minority.
Seeing as we lost the public discussion maybe something isn’t working here.
She is not defending herself. She is attacking. She is funding hate groups with money.
Fuck Joanne and her stupid wizard world. It’s all built on ideas of imperialism apologia anyway
Superheros also just preach that you have to maintain the status quo, never tackle the root of the problem, just violently attack the symptoms and that only a small few special people can save you, so everybody else just has to get out of the way and cheer.
Iron Man is about Iron Man realising that selling weapons is bad
And then giving an unbelievably hangout weapons system to some kid as a gift.
Also saying you need to be a rich prick to get anything done
Captain America is about Cap beating up Nazis even though the government told him not to
Would’ve been enlightening if Cap asked a few normal Germans along the way how the whole Nazi regime came to be instead of just pummeling people.-
While this is a good narrative to make about Disney if we want to hate on them, it’s not true though.
The Disney movies for kids is almost all about not maintaining status quo and actually challenge it. Or being different than anyone else
Frozen and Moana are recent examples. Pirates of Caribbean for an older audience. There’s many more.
Disney kids movies aren’t about super heroes usually. But even Lion King is how you can’t escape adult responsibilities and have to continue the cycle.
That’s true, every movie takes on something different.
But then again there’s Pocahontas that came out at the same time that tackles racism and the importance of nature.
You forgot the peasants cheering the birth of their new predator
Also the very much incest.
What I see from farmers and the current usa president in my feed, that part was actually damn close to the truth.
Yeah, like Mulan showing that girls can also fight or Merida showing that girls have an opinion of their own.
No more like Mike Wazowski showing all Monsters that laughing is better than screaming. Or Lilo befriending an alien weapon. Or Captain Jack Sparr-oh…
Remember, we are talking about Disney heroes and A LOT of them question the status quo (not all, but a lot).
V for Vendetta
Yeah the exception that proves the rule but still, anarchy-man is cool
That sounds like the villains’ motive in My Hero Academia. A good series about superheroes, and what it means to be a hero. And what it means for those who aren’t qualified to work as heroes but do, or try to do heroic things (the fourth season addresses this, as will the upcoming final season (it was in the manga, which is complete), and the Vigilantes spinoff directly covers it.
You’re talking about Disney movies. Intended for children. They’re not gonna go shoot someone in the head because they’re responsible for denied health insurance.
Why are you expecting kids movies to be an accurate intricate commentary of society in the first place?
It’s movies, for kids. Most people grow out of that. But some keep being obsessed with “superheroes”
I like Black Adam, he kills colonisers
Why are you expecting kids movies to be an accurate intricate commentary of society in the first place?
Because what kids watch will influence their sense of morality
That’s not even an answer. Kids do not comprehend the full extent of the world around them. That’s why you get silly kids movies with animals instead of people.
We don’t show kids fight club. And even if they saw it, they won’t understand what it’s about.
Grace Kelly said something similar years ago: “Hollywood amuses me. Holier-than-thou for the public and unholier-than-the-devil in reality.”. We have all known this for decades. The sleazy hollywood rapist was a thing long before Harvey was outed. They all knew, and yet they all kept their mouths shut.
This is why its always been so perplexing to me that so much of society looks to hollywood for its morality lessons.
I have been thinking the superhero movies were having many fascist themes themselves. And their popularity was helped by a growing authoritarian movement in the USA.
The actual comics do not have many of the above issues, the movies reinforced certain themes.
I say this as someone who liked the comic books for many decades
I pissed off a lot of, supposedly left leaning, comic book fans when I told them I thought Tony Stark had a good point that the super heroes in the MCU needed to be regulated. They were doing too much investigating and acting on their own without any oversight to not make people nervous. Same with Justice League Unlimited.
At least with Superman(2025), the hero’s intervention in world affairs was just a scaled up Bystander Effect.
I was thinking something else, like
The Boys Showrunner, Eric Kripke, says the superhero ultimately exists to protect the status quo, to keep things as they are or once were during more nostalgic times, while the supervillain seeks change. A superhero is pro-establishment, working to uphold the system, and viewers can be trained to believe some exceptional being will fix everything.
The earlier superhero movies made in the USA helped support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and there were strategies and meetings to deliberately do just that.
I think the later Marvel movies drifted away from typecasting the villains and made the plots less American centric. But it did not loose the parallels to the popular movies in Germany made in the late 30’s.
Yeah it’s not great the way supers tend to validate vigilantism. Ultimately you can have rule of law or some form of tyranny. There are middle grounds, but those are the options. Also the hero’s journey literary paradigm has regressive aspects. 🤓
I like the comic where Batman beats up a racist cop
“Rule of Law” is itself a form of tyranny. It is nothing more than the dictates of a hierarchical authority, originating from the authority of kings, trying to assert its control over others. It is a fundamentally oppressive system that can and has repeatedly throughout history been used to facilitate the oppression of marginalized peoples.
Hhhh yes I know some form of anarchism would probably be more egalitarian and just but a society will always have rules and mutual expectations and if we’re being honest no state can afford to let people see anarchism thrive, can they?
Every collective will always have to prepare for and content with oppositional actors. Sadly, this is a fact of life. Anarchist theory is well versed in the concept that the state will inevitably retaliate as the existence of an anarchist society threatens the perceived hierarchical structure that state authority is founded on. If people understand they do not need to acquiesce their political autonomy to an arbitrary authority to ensure stability in their lives, the state loses the power it has over the people.
Anarchist society is founded on mutual agreements between individuals or groups of people acting on consensus. Just because a society is anarchist doesn’t mean people are absolved of responsibilities. It is specifically that those responsibilities are taken on willingly and not coerced by arbitrary structures that only serve to oppress one for the benefit of another.
superhero movies were having many fascist themes themselves.
you can have rule of law or some form of tyranny
Yeah like that one!
Check
Teaching with Disney edited by Julie C. Garlen and Jennifer A. Sandlin, 2016 (including but not limited to “Teaching Disney Critically in the Age of Perpetual Consumption”)
and
The Mouse that Roared, Disney and the End of Innocence by Henry A. Giroux and Grace Pollock, 2010
but the Tl;DR is that their only definition of “heroes” is whatever might sell anything and aligned with the ideology of a “founder” that arguably didn’t draw the mouse itself.
