Tell me there are no women in your life without saying there are no women in your life.
@startrek@startrek.website #AllStarTrek @startrek@fedigroups.social
Oh cool, GFR has finally gone mask-off.
This has always been the case, but I’m going to take this opportunity to state that links to that site are not allowed here, and will be removed on sight.
@ValueSubtracted Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, I would never link because eww, but a screenshot for general pointing-and-laughing was just too tempting.
Hell yeah. I love the way Trek makes people like this piss and squeal and moan.
Allowing this to stay up but not linking to it seems wrong. I don’t know anything about this site other than the headline but if you disagree that strongly, which seems to be the right reaction, you should ban the headlines too.
Noted?
Oh, you’re that type of person. Ok, noted.
More republicans making lists. Noted.
Check again
don’t like it, then leave, I guess?
that’s what a normal person would do.
Thankfully I’m not normal so I added a message to explain to others who are out of the loop wtf is happening, something op should have done but failed to do
https://vger.to/lemmy.myserv.one/comment/16646604
Oh look, you already responded to it.
Yeah! Let’s pretend nothing bad exists, just live in our bubble where everything is fine and dandy.
Slash fic as it originated in modern fan culture was Kirk/Spock and spread through zines written by women in the 60s.
Also I’ve been watching TNG for the first time lately (late to trek) and I honestly don’t understand how conservatives could really enjoy the best episodes. Like I watched The Drumhead (s4e21) last night and it was aggressively unsubtlely anti conservative. Like honestly I regret not keeping notes from the start of this watch through to have good episodes to recommend to people. First Contact (s4e14) had the villain literally be a conservative trying to preserve his society’s way of life against the progress it would have to deal with if it encountered aliens.
How do I find the link to the text?
Edit: apparently posting an image is ok by mods but linking isn’t, weird.
If anyone is curious since the comments on the message didn’t really make sense (headline is about republicans not women, where did the no women in your life comment come from?):
The author is asserting women don’t like star trek with zero data. The republicans part is unrelated, and is about young men skewing more conservative than women. You combine the baseless claim with unrelated data and you get the headline.
Republicans think women are animals. otherwise why would they want to strip away their human rights like access to abortion clinics and revoke their rights to vote? (no need to answer we all know why)
if they don’t hate women, Republicans have a really fucked up view of the equality that Trek embodies from start to finish.
That’s all well and good, I was wondering about this specific headline not the general problem with conservatives.
I wish republicans would just die. How about that?
@LadyMeow I was hoping they’d all be raptured a couple of weeks ago. Imagine all the problems that would have immediately been solved.
That would work for me! :3
Not just Republicans…anyone that votes for a conservative party.
This is some spectacular persecution fetish, my god.
Tbh I think we need to accept that they’re so turned on by the idea that they’ve effectively given prior consent.
I mean, a show like Star Trek couldn’t possibly do well pushing a progressive worldview, right? Definitely it would have to appeal to
bigotsconservatives, or it would tank. No progressiveness on Star Trek, no sir./s
@owenfromcanada These people have invested their entire identities in being miserable. Which ironic because ST is largely optimistic about the future.
I was only 14 when I put on my big boy pants and learned from the Bell Riots that socialism was bad and I will forever ignore the factors that create such mass unemployment.
Can’t tell if serious or sarcasm
So…Republicans are fans of space communism?
Bold of you to assume they know it’s space communism. If the boys is of any indication Star Trek needs to explicitly say “we’re space communism” for there to be a 50/50 chance of Republicans getting it.
Remember not so long ago when people noticed that Rise Against makes political songs? A lot of people are blind to stuff like this until you point it out.
Likewise with Rage Against The Machine
My absolute favorite bit of social media was this instagram exchange. It just encapsulates so much that’s inherently stupid with it.
Mine was when, i don’t remember, speaker of the house ®?, said his favorite band was rage against the machine.
Like dude, those guys hate you.
As I recall the exchange, Paul Ryan said at one point that RATM was one of his favorite bands. Morello was asked about it in an interview, and said something to the effect of “He can like what he wants, but he’s part of the machine we’re raging against”
“What do you think is the machine they are raging against? The fucking printer?”
TBF, I do really hate my printer.
But what about… 35 pieces of flair?
Yeah, I’m rollin’ down Rodeo with some toner
These people ain’t seen a color print since their grandparents inkjet
@Archangel1313 Noooo, true ST is about straight manly men kicking alien butts!
Conservatives like Star Trek because it promotes the values of meritocracy, hierarchy, authority, and military discipline. None of these are commonly held by people in the American left (especially not the academic left, which tend to be pretty anti-hierarchical, anti-authoritarian).
The people usually referred to as Republicans these days are right-wing populists. They have very little in common with the types of conservatives who loved the franchise in the 20th century. Those older conservatives are almost extinct in the Republican Party today.
it promotes the values of meritocracy,
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None of these are commonly held by people in the American left
Troll or idiot?! Taking all bets! I also offer videoooo poookkeeer!
The right loves meritocracy. To them it means everyone got what they deserve, from the homeless to the billionaires.
Oh, is that why they kept ethnic minorities out of positions of power and established structures of “not what you know, but who you know” and established “legacy admissions” for the children of huge donors?
No, that’s because they’re racist. They can have different motivations to do what they do.
they have “legacy admissions” for inbred, stupid children of rich donors because they are racist and not because their father donated the “Libertarian Friedman” wing of the campus?
USA Defaultism at work yet again.
In fairness, it is an American show.
Its somewhat justifiable, kinda.
This is hilarious to me so I looked up the original article and I am pretty sure that it is largely written by AI.
Also, not that it needs or deserves any kind of analysis, but the central premise (as much as I can decipher from all the ChatGPT fluff) appears to be: “Because Trekkies are conservative, Star Trek is doing everything it can to make men hate it.” which obviously makes no sense. Why would a company create a piece of media knowing it would be unpopular with it’s core demographic?
Anyway thanks for the laugh, OP.
@Kirk Gotta appreciate the thinly veiled “great fan replacement” theory. How very subtle. I’m sure the author (whoever that is) felt ever so witty.
Weird. My stay at home mom and favorite aunt watched it back when TVs had 5 stations on a dial. They introduced me, female, to it at a young age. None of us are Trump voters.
The only dislike expressed was for the Spock’s brain episode. They still talk about what a terrible episode they thought it was.
Where is this article getting their demographic numbers, wishful thinking? The wiki says it’s always been a diverse viewership with a slight skew to male.
Where is this article getting their demographic numbers, wishful thinking?
Oh don’t worry, it’s very scientific:
If you think I’m underestimating the number of Trek’s female viewers, scroll through the comments on any Star Trek-related content anywhere on the internet. Then count the number of female commenters. You’ll see a lot of guys named Steve, but you won’t see many Jennifers.
Consider yourself blessed to be unaware of the entire digital media ecosystem that targets insecure white men via their preferred fandoms and is dedicated to blaming women and minorities for their issues.
Well the reasoning in the article has nothing to do with the audience being conservative. It’s: Star Trek has a mainly male audience. Males are conservative. Then they show some picture how males went more conservative some 50 years(!) after it aired… I’m speechless. Maybe AI “reasoning”. Or just very, very stupid.
It’s the stupid bit
Yeah, and super weird to write something like this about Star Trek of all the fiction out there. I can’t remember any episode where stupidity is portrayed as good or acceptable?! I mean the whole point of TOS is all the characters who are lined up on that picture, being clever in very different ways and combining that to have some fun in outta space…
It seems the only data provided about the demographics and political leanings of the fandom are anecdotal accounts from social media. Do you think it ever occurred to the author that they might just have an algorithm that recognizes their preference for shitty content?
Most trekkies are older people, in the US most of them are Republicans.
Education has been bad for a long time in this country it seems
most old americans may be republican but not most old trekkies are not.
Pretty sure the fujoshis own Trek actually.
Nice
a hopeful future. dystopian futures have plenty of republicans.
What i know is this… gay aliens are acceptable, guy humans are not. Thats it in a nutshell, but it does get very complicated. Two simbiot women human kissing? Its ok because they are technically alien, but also ok because they are women, not men.
That brings me to the new gay doctor. It isnt commentary on weird alien sexual stuff, no, it comes off as a political statement. It doesn’t add to any space/alien stuff, rather it feels like an agenda being pushed… im not trying to offend anyone. My personal opinion? It feels like it wants to push a narrative, im not into the star trek hardly at all anymore.
TOS, TNG, voyager and like half of DS9 is how I like star wars. The new crap is only that, crap… imo…
Gay humans exist today, they existed throughout history, and they will continue to exist for as long as humans do.
Do you consider Uhura being a bridge officer to be “pushing a narrative”? Because that was a political statement in much the same way that gay characters in Star Trek are (arguably more so).
It sucks to be a person whose very existence is political in this world that we live in now. Sci-Fi that includes those people is a way of saying "hey, wouldn’t it be nice if people could live their lives without their existence being the battleground for political ideology.
I’m begging you all, please report stuff that breaks the community rules and/or TOS - no one needs to put up with that nonsense.
No idea what the comment said, but yes, modern star trek does push a narrative… selectively. Like, at the start of Disco, they got it perfect. Gay engineer, gay doctor. No big focus, no “OMG, YOURE GAY???”. They were just there. Doing their jobs. It was, for lack of a better word, normal.
Fast forward a couple of years, and that way of doing things goes out the window. Inserting a non binary character and trans character. Why? Dont know. Because by this time, sex reassignment surgery is not a big deal. It can be done in an afternoon, and youre out the door with no down time. We saw this with Quark in DS9. As for the non binary character, it wouldnt be an issue except for the fact of how they focused on it. They have this scene where they demand to be referred to as “they” and then Stamets beams with pride at the person standing up for themselves. But again, this is Star trek. Non binary is nothing new to humans in this time period. The exchange should have been no different than correcting someone with Dr if someone calls you Mr.
And this is the problem with modern Star Trek. Star Trek in the 60s and 90s showed us a hopeful vision of who we could be. NuTrek shows us who we are. And we already have plenty of other TV shows for that.
If you want to push the straight agenda, you have Hallmark movies.
As someone who has gone to conventions this is laughably false.
Hilarious. The Republicans are watching progressive shit promoting liberalism, equality and ethics? A communist utopia?
