US Senate candidate Graham Platner reassures transgender Mainer he will fight for LGBTQ+ rights. Despite past controversies, he emphasizes growth and empathy. #GrahamPlatner
He is former service. Can you expand on this? It seems relevant, particularly since the commenter who started this thread is very fixated on the specific words he used.
They think that because people are still performatively, emotionally convinced that the guy is a nazi because their favorite reactive streamer said so, and will use any normal political situations or conversations as validation of this emotional defensiveness.
The tattoo dates to roughly 2009, IIRC. The Daily Wire and a few other far-right shitrags have published hysterical pieces about him–via his Reddit account–talking about training the Maine chapter of the Socialist Rifle Club in firearms use and safety in 2020. Or, as they said, “antifa”. And the SRA IS notably anti-fascist in their ideology (I’m sure that some percentage of them are tankies, but the org as a whole doesn’t seem to be authoritarian), and very pro-LGBTQ+. The turned up photos of one of the events that these publications are saying he’s in. (I can’t tell, TBH; the photos aren’t that good. He could be, but I can’t say for certain.)
So the problem you run headlong into here is, if he secretly has/had Nazi beliefs at one time, sufficient to get a tattoo signifying such, why would be be training SRA members?
In addition to that, everything he was posting on Reddit appears to say he’s not a Nazi. Some of the stuff is questionable (slurs, for instance, although those are probably still commonly used in the military), but most people that are fascists don’t hide that shit when they’re posting “anonymously”. And the account was deleted in 2021, four years before he declared for a Senate run. If he was planning a con, that’s a looooooooong time to be building an anti-fascist online persona before it gets any kind of payoff.
I don’t care when the tattoo is from, even he admits it’s Nazi symbology he just says he didn’t know it at the time. The rest of that is irrelevant to being suspicious of a dude with a Nazi tattoo in the same way I would be suspicious of a dude with a tattoo involving the numbers 14 and 88. Could it be innocent? Sure dude, is it “performative outrage” to question the dude because of it? Absolutely not, it would be fucking irresponsible not to.
People do contradictory shit all the time especially if it helps their end goal whatever that may be in the long run. I don’t really know one way or the other but I know I’d prefer a candidate with similar professed beliefs without a next tattoo.
What you feel to see here is that I didn’t say anything about his stances or beliefs. What you’re left with is it reasonable to be wary of dudes with Nazi tattoos? Id say yeah, and I’d question anyone that didn’t say the same.
Sorry, I didn’t hear you over the sound of actual nazis wearing unambiguous symbology they’re proud of who are now running the country. Next time I will learn to be more performatively hateful to someone who is acknowledging and fixing problems and still working for a better outcome.
Because what really matters here is that we all preserve the purity club and never, ever practice what we preach by giving people empathy and good-faith.
Yeah because public Nazis exist certainly closeted Nazis don’t exist anymore, right? I said you’re being performative because questioning someone with a Nazi tattoo is definitely reasonable and logical. Their belief or disbelief of his story is their issue and wholely detached from the reasonably of questioning the tattoo in general.
You’ll notice I didn’t offer my actual opinion on him, you’re the one trying to purity test people based on a reasonable question of a public figure running for office.
“Yes, I will absolutely stand next to you, and if we ever have to go knock doors together,
I’m happy to stand by your side,” he added.
When it comes to politics, if they do not say exactly the words, they mean something entirely different.
What he actually said:
Yes, I will stand next to you physically if we go knock on doors together. I would be happy to be physically next to you while knocking on doors.
Why are we knocking on doors? That is never specified. For animal rights? Has he ever knocked on a door in favor of trans rights? Does his (elected) job include knocking on doors for trans rights?
He did not say, “I will stand up for,” or “I would vote in favor of,” Trans rights.
I know this guy is campaigning that he’s not a politician… Just a regular guy… But every regular guy who has ever gone into politics does the same stuff.
Also, he has a Nazi tattoo on his chest… And sure let’s give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t know it was a Nazi tattoo when he got it, but that raises some flags as to his commitment to trans rights when he gives an answer that is dancing around.
A two day old account with 50+ comments doing nothing but stirring up shit about how no one meets your purity test and accusing everyone in this thread of being from ML for not thinking “yes, I will stand with you” (coming from a marine) is an inadequate answer to the question “will you stand with me?”.
Maybe you are here in good faith, but it sure as hell doesn’t seem like it.
Then switch to decaf and talk to some people who are in the service or have served and prepare to get laughed at for suggesting it.
This is a “hasan’s dog” thing all over again, it’s overblown bullshit meant to distract you from actual nazis running for office or in office now, people who aren’t even subtle or ashamed. We’re not in some cloak and dagger thing where they’re sneaking in by pretending to be progressives, it’s media-fueled hysteria.
I’m not entirely sure where you’re going with all of this, but I’m just commenting on his quote and how he did not Answer the question. The fact that you’re getting angry about this curious.
That you translate this as “anger” tells me we’re not going to have productive communication. Pretty much everyone pounding the “nazi” drum on this seem pretty reactionary.
Ahh read between lines and assume what they mean to confirm the negative view you already have. Very healthy and not the standard MO of conspiracy theorists.
It’s fine for you to be concerned that it means what you say, but you are emphatically stating that your assumption is the truth. Even if you’re right, your methodology is flawed.
You sound like a republican or, like a person who wants right wing people to gain power within the United States. Perhaps that has to do with the fact that you are an ML, and your only desire is to see the United States crushed. Maybe that’s why you’re trying to push the idea that recognizing hypocrisy in government officials is “crazy”
Haha, not at all. You can review my comments if you want. I’m a person who is interested in having proof and facts instead of assumptions. I am of course worried about fake progressives and people like Fetterman, but deciding the conclusion and molding to facts to match it is exactly how we get people believing in nonsense.
I listen fairly often to a debunk/analyzing show of Alex Jones called Knowledge Fight. They also sometimes review others. I also listen to Know Rogan, which is a similar show critically analyzing Joe Rogan, as well as several other skeptical podcasts etc. Something they all and I as well agree on is we shouldn’t work off of preconceived notions like the subjects of their shows do, but instead make sure our assertions are backed up with evidence and truth. As I said, you have every right to be worried; that isn’t my criticism.
However, if you just do the same thing the worst right wing influencers do by making a decision and then making any minor difference to how you assume they should respond mean your preconceived notion is correct, how do you convince people that when the ring wing does it, it’s wrong, but when you do it, it’s right?
You sound exactly like an ML trying to crush the United States by dismissing anyone who questions the intention of the politicians that you want elected.
If you actually were worried about fake politicians like Fetterman, you would be taking this guy a little bit more seriously. There are a lot of red flags around him – and while I’m not saying we should write him off entirely… I’m saying his words matter and you are saying his words do not.
You’re also quickly accusing me of conspiracy theory which is a telltale sign of your actual intentions. What a joke.
I mean, I’m a black American living in Georgia. Acceleration would mean my death, probably faster than most. To me you sound like exactly what you’re accusing me of. I’m not specifically defending this politician, but your accusations are wild and you act like you’re certain. While I did compare your statement to the like of conspiracy theory, you’re also saying I’m Republican, then militant left. While I can have some things I agree with those further left than I, I stand only to have negative repercussions for being accelerationist, and I do truly wish we can survive without collapse. Whether it can actually happen at this point is a point of doubt, but I’m nowhere to to point of wanting a collapse.
I’ve never owned a gun, never fired one, and am rather hesitant to hurt people, even if they’re reprehensible. I honestly don’t know how I’d survive collapse. It’s a self serving position for me to not want collapse, and I also believe people can change. I don’t know if this guy has, but I’d rather not make up role for him to hang himself; if he’s a problem he should be judged by not imagined faults, but confirmed ones. You still have the right to not choose him, just be careful that you don’t let preconceived opinions dictate how you judge everyone.
I would very strongly suggest that you reconsider your stance on guns. You may not want to hurt other people to protect yourself, but there are surely other people in your community that need someone to stand with and for them. I think we all hope that the day never comes that it’s necessary, but I think that the quote I heard was, “si vis pacem, para bellum.”
I know a few people in the north Georgia area that are quite welcoming to new people. I can suggest at least one trainer out in Rome. There are a few gun stores that don’t seem to be full of Trump shit. Unfortunately, I didn’t ever get south of Atlanta, so if you’re in e.g. Macon or Savannah, I don’t know anyone directly.
BTW - I’ve heard him speak in person. I’ve seen how Platner dealt with MAGA hecklers. I think that his solutions are simplistic, because the system is wildly complex, but I think he’s got the right ideas. If he’s undercover as a Nazi, he sure as shit as me fooled.
If you take part of the guys statement and ignore the rest of it, and fixate on him not using the precise words “stand up”, I guess I can understand what you are getting at. But in context, he seems to be expressing the exact opposite of what you are claiming.
I shouldn’t even bother, but sometimes I like taking the prove it challenge. Not sure if images are allowed but couldn’t see anything in the rules I skimmed:
Yes, I will stand next to you physically if we go knock on doors together. I would be happy to be physically next to you while knocking on doors.*
LOL. You can’t claim to focus on what he actually said when you’re responding to an edited version of his answer designed to confirm your preconceived notions.
He answered it in a way that did not commit to “standing up for”
Is he former Service? “Stand beside” means a lot more to him than to you.
He is former service. Can you expand on this? It seems relevant, particularly since the commenter who started this thread is very fixated on the specific words he used.
He said “yes” to a yes or no question, then expanded on the answer. Not sure why you’d think that.
They think that because people are still performatively, emotionally convinced that the guy is a nazi because their favorite reactive streamer said so, and will use any normal political situations or conversations as validation of this emotional defensiveness.
Is there a specific one or do you just mean this generally?
No they rightfully see Nazi symbology and go “Nazi?”.
You’re the performative outrage section it seems.
The tattoo dates to roughly 2009, IIRC. The Daily Wire and a few other far-right shitrags have published hysterical pieces about him–via his Reddit account–talking about training the Maine chapter of the Socialist Rifle Club in firearms use and safety in 2020. Or, as they said, “antifa”. And the SRA IS notably anti-fascist in their ideology (I’m sure that some percentage of them are tankies, but the org as a whole doesn’t seem to be authoritarian), and very pro-LGBTQ+. The turned up photos of one of the events that these publications are saying he’s in. (I can’t tell, TBH; the photos aren’t that good. He could be, but I can’t say for certain.)
So the problem you run headlong into here is, if he secretly has/had Nazi beliefs at one time, sufficient to get a tattoo signifying such, why would be be training SRA members?
In addition to that, everything he was posting on Reddit appears to say he’s not a Nazi. Some of the stuff is questionable (slurs, for instance, although those are probably still commonly used in the military), but most people that are fascists don’t hide that shit when they’re posting “anonymously”. And the account was deleted in 2021, four years before he declared for a Senate run. If he was planning a con, that’s a looooooooong time to be building an anti-fascist online persona before it gets any kind of payoff.
I don’t care when the tattoo is from, even he admits it’s Nazi symbology he just says he didn’t know it at the time. The rest of that is irrelevant to being suspicious of a dude with a Nazi tattoo in the same way I would be suspicious of a dude with a tattoo involving the numbers 14 and 88. Could it be innocent? Sure dude, is it “performative outrage” to question the dude because of it? Absolutely not, it would be fucking irresponsible not to.
People do contradictory shit all the time especially if it helps their end goal whatever that may be in the long run. I don’t really know one way or the other but I know I’d prefer a candidate with similar professed beliefs without a next tattoo.
What you feel to see here is that I didn’t say anything about his stances or beliefs. What you’re left with is it reasonable to be wary of dudes with Nazi tattoos? Id say yeah, and I’d question anyone that didn’t say the same.
Sorry, I didn’t hear you over the sound of actual nazis wearing unambiguous symbology they’re proud of who are now running the country. Next time I will learn to be more performatively hateful to someone who is acknowledging and fixing problems and still working for a better outcome.
Because what really matters here is that we all preserve the purity club and never, ever practice what we preach by giving people empathy and good-faith.
Yeah because public Nazis exist certainly closeted Nazis don’t exist anymore, right? I said you’re being performative because questioning someone with a Nazi tattoo is definitely reasonable and logical. Their belief or disbelief of his story is their issue and wholely detached from the reasonably of questioning the tattoo in general.
You’ll notice I didn’t offer my actual opinion on him, you’re the one trying to purity test people based on a reasonable question of a public figure running for office.
Can you expand on why you believe this?
When it comes to politics, if they do not say exactly the words, they mean something entirely different.
What he actually said:
Why are we knocking on doors? That is never specified. For animal rights? Has he ever knocked on a door in favor of trans rights? Does his (elected) job include knocking on doors for trans rights?
He did not say, “I will stand up for,” or “I would vote in favor of,” Trans rights.
I know this guy is campaigning that he’s not a politician… Just a regular guy… But every regular guy who has ever gone into politics does the same stuff.
Also, he has a Nazi tattoo on his chest… And sure let’s give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t know it was a Nazi tattoo when he got it, but that raises some flags as to his commitment to trans rights when he gives an answer that is dancing around.
A two day old account with 50+ comments doing nothing but stirring up shit about how no one meets your purity test and accusing everyone in this thread of being from ML for not thinking “yes, I will stand with you” (coming from a marine) is an inadequate answer to the question “will you stand with me?”.
Maybe you are here in good faith, but it sure as hell doesn’t seem like it.
Do better.
I think you watch too many youtube streamers.
I can safely say I have not watched a YouTube streamer in my life.
Then switch to decaf and talk to some people who are in the service or have served and prepare to get laughed at for suggesting it.
This is a “hasan’s dog” thing all over again, it’s overblown bullshit meant to distract you from actual nazis running for office or in office now, people who aren’t even subtle or ashamed. We’re not in some cloak and dagger thing where they’re sneaking in by pretending to be progressives, it’s media-fueled hysteria.
I’m not entirely sure where you’re going with all of this, but I’m just commenting on his quote and how he did not Answer the question. The fact that you’re getting angry about this curious.
That you translate this as “anger” tells me we’re not going to have productive communication. Pretty much everyone pounding the “nazi” drum on this seem pretty reactionary.
A person who supports the right wing would say “Nazi drum beating is reactionary”
Ahh read between lines and assume what they mean to confirm the negative view you already have. Very healthy and not the standard MO of conspiracy theorists.
It’s fine for you to be concerned that it means what you say, but you are emphatically stating that your assumption is the truth. Even if you’re right, your methodology is flawed.
You sound like a republican or, like a person who wants right wing people to gain power within the United States. Perhaps that has to do with the fact that you are an ML, and your only desire is to see the United States crushed. Maybe that’s why you’re trying to push the idea that recognizing hypocrisy in government officials is “crazy”
Haha, not at all. You can review my comments if you want. I’m a person who is interested in having proof and facts instead of assumptions. I am of course worried about fake progressives and people like Fetterman, but deciding the conclusion and molding to facts to match it is exactly how we get people believing in nonsense.
I listen fairly often to a debunk/analyzing show of Alex Jones called Knowledge Fight. They also sometimes review others. I also listen to Know Rogan, which is a similar show critically analyzing Joe Rogan, as well as several other skeptical podcasts etc. Something they all and I as well agree on is we shouldn’t work off of preconceived notions like the subjects of their shows do, but instead make sure our assertions are backed up with evidence and truth. As I said, you have every right to be worried; that isn’t my criticism.
However, if you just do the same thing the worst right wing influencers do by making a decision and then making any minor difference to how you assume they should respond mean your preconceived notion is correct, how do you convince people that when the ring wing does it, it’s wrong, but when you do it, it’s right?
You sound exactly like an ML trying to crush the United States by dismissing anyone who questions the intention of the politicians that you want elected.
If you actually were worried about fake politicians like Fetterman, you would be taking this guy a little bit more seriously. There are a lot of red flags around him – and while I’m not saying we should write him off entirely… I’m saying his words matter and you are saying his words do not.
You’re also quickly accusing me of conspiracy theory which is a telltale sign of your actual intentions. What a joke.
I mean, I’m a black American living in Georgia. Acceleration would mean my death, probably faster than most. To me you sound like exactly what you’re accusing me of. I’m not specifically defending this politician, but your accusations are wild and you act like you’re certain. While I did compare your statement to the like of conspiracy theory, you’re also saying I’m Republican, then militant left. While I can have some things I agree with those further left than I, I stand only to have negative repercussions for being accelerationist, and I do truly wish we can survive without collapse. Whether it can actually happen at this point is a point of doubt, but I’m nowhere to to point of wanting a collapse.
I’ve never owned a gun, never fired one, and am rather hesitant to hurt people, even if they’re reprehensible. I honestly don’t know how I’d survive collapse. It’s a self serving position for me to not want collapse, and I also believe people can change. I don’t know if this guy has, but I’d rather not make up role for him to hang himself; if he’s a problem he should be judged by not imagined faults, but confirmed ones. You still have the right to not choose him, just be careful that you don’t let preconceived opinions dictate how you judge everyone.
I would very strongly suggest that you reconsider your stance on guns. You may not want to hurt other people to protect yourself, but there are surely other people in your community that need someone to stand with and for them. I think we all hope that the day never comes that it’s necessary, but I think that the quote I heard was, “si vis pacem, para bellum.”
I know a few people in the north Georgia area that are quite welcoming to new people. I can suggest at least one trainer out in Rome. There are a few gun stores that don’t seem to be full of Trump shit. Unfortunately, I didn’t ever get south of Atlanta, so if you’re in e.g. Macon or Savannah, I don’t know anyone directly.
BTW - I’ve heard him speak in person. I’ve seen how Platner dealt with MAGA hecklers. I think that his solutions are simplistic, because the system is wildly complex, but I think he’s got the right ideas. If he’s undercover as a Nazi, he sure as shit as me fooled.
I’m going to stop with I’m A black America living in Georgia.
Prove it, goodbye.
If you take part of the guys statement and ignore the rest of it, and fixate on him not using the precise words “stand up”, I guess I can understand what you are getting at. But in context, he seems to be expressing the exact opposite of what you are claiming.
If I focus on what he actually said, and not what you want me to think he means… l o l
I shouldn’t even bother, but sometimes I like taking the prove it challenge. Not sure if images are allowed but couldn’t see anything in the rules I skimmed:
And yeah, I got some stubby fingers.
I disagree with you but you have beautiful fingers and are under no obligation to doxx yourself for anyone, ever.
It’s amazing how when you come back online I get messages from several different users within a few minutes but then nothing in between
Lol! I proved it so now you accuse me of botting? Thanks man, I had a great laugh. Anywho, game time, have a great night.
LOL. You can’t claim to focus on what he actually said when you’re responding to an edited version of his answer designed to confirm your preconceived notions.
You’re grasping at straws now.