He keeps saying all the right things.
Hopefully he isn’t a lying Nazi
Yeah, hopefully.
There’s a really strong argument to be made that regardless of personal beliefs, seeking that kind of power is inherently untrustworthy. But until we have a national legislature draft we have to rely on the evidence we have that people are going to do good things in office.
This. He said the good thing… I don’t like the click bait.
He answered it in a way that did not commit to “standing up for”
Is he former Service? “Stand beside” means a lot more to him than to you.
He is former service. Can you expand on this? It seems relevant, particularly since the commenter who started this thread is very fixated on the specific words he used.
He said “yes” to a yes or no question, then expanded on the answer. Not sure why you’d think that.
They think that because people are still performatively, emotionally convinced that the guy is a nazi because their favorite reactive streamer said so, and will use any normal political situations or conversations as validation of this emotional defensiveness.
their favorite reactive streamer
Is there a specific one or do you just mean this generally?
No they rightfully see Nazi symbology and go “Nazi?”.
You’re the performative outrage section it seems.
The tattoo dates to roughly 2009, IIRC. The Daily Wire and a few other far-right shitrags have published hysterical pieces about him–via his Reddit account–talking about training the Maine chapter of the Socialist Rifle Club in firearms use and safety in 2020. Or, as they said, “antifa”. And the SRA IS notably anti-fascist in their ideology (I’m sure that some percentage of them are tankies, but the org as a whole doesn’t seem to be authoritarian), and very pro-LGBTQ+. The turned up photos of one of the events that these publications are saying he’s in. (I can’t tell, TBH; the photos aren’t that good. He could be, but I can’t say for certain.)
So the problem you run headlong into here is, if he secretly has/had Nazi beliefs at one time, sufficient to get a tattoo signifying such, why would be be training SRA members?
In addition to that, everything he was posting on Reddit appears to say he’s not a Nazi. Some of the stuff is questionable (slurs, for instance, although those are probably still commonly used in the military), but most people that are fascists don’t hide that shit when they’re posting “anonymously”. And the account was deleted in 2021, four years before he declared for a Senate run. If he was planning a con, that’s a looooooooong time to be building an anti-fascist online persona before it gets any kind of payoff.
I don’t care when the tattoo is from, even he admits it’s Nazi symbology he just says he didn’t know it at the time. The rest of that is irrelevant to being suspicious of a dude with a Nazi tattoo in the same way I would be suspicious of a dude with a tattoo involving the numbers 14 and 88. Could it be innocent? Sure dude, is it “performative outrage” to question the dude because of it? Absolutely not, it would be fucking irresponsible not to.
People do contradictory shit all the time especially if it helps their end goal whatever that may be in the long run. I don’t really know one way or the other but I know I’d prefer a candidate with similar professed beliefs without a next tattoo.
What you feel to see here is that I didn’t say anything about his stances or beliefs. What you’re left with is it reasonable to be wary of dudes with Nazi tattoos? Id say yeah, and I’d question anyone that didn’t say the same.
Sorry, I didn’t hear you over the sound of actual nazis wearing unambiguous symbology they’re proud of who are now running the country. Next time I will learn to be more performatively hateful to someone who is acknowledging and fixing problems and still working for a better outcome.
Because what really matters here is that we all preserve the purity club and never, ever practice what we preach by giving people empathy and good-faith.
Yeah because public Nazis exist certainly closeted Nazis don’t exist anymore, right? I said you’re being performative because questioning someone with a Nazi tattoo is definitely reasonable and logical. Their belief or disbelief of his story is their issue and wholely detached from the reasonably of questioning the tattoo in general.
You’ll notice I didn’t offer my actual opinion on him, you’re the one trying to purity test people based on a reasonable question of a public figure running for office.
Can you expand on why you believe this?
“Yes, I will absolutely stand next to you, and if we ever have to go knock doors together, I’m happy to stand by your side,” he added.
When it comes to politics, if they do not say exactly the words, they mean something entirely different.
What he actually said:
Yes, I will stand next to you physically if we go knock on doors together. I would be happy to be physically next to you while knocking on doors.
Why are we knocking on doors? That is never specified. For animal rights? Has he ever knocked on a door in favor of trans rights? Does his (elected) job include knocking on doors for trans rights?
He did not say, “I will stand up for,” or “I would vote in favor of,” Trans rights.
I know this guy is campaigning that he’s not a politician… Just a regular guy… But every regular guy who has ever gone into politics does the same stuff.
Also, he has a Nazi tattoo on his chest… And sure let’s give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t know it was a Nazi tattoo when he got it, but that raises some flags as to his commitment to trans rights when he gives an answer that is dancing around.
A two day old account with 50+ comments doing nothing but stirring up shit about how no one meets your purity test and accusing everyone in this thread of being from ML for not thinking “yes, I will stand with you” (coming from a marine) is an inadequate answer to the question “will you stand with me?”.
Maybe you are here in good faith, but it sure as hell doesn’t seem like it.
Do better.
I think you watch too many youtube streamers.
I can safely say I have not watched a YouTube streamer in my life.
Then switch to decaf and talk to some people who are in the service or have served and prepare to get laughed at for suggesting it.
This is a “hasan’s dog” thing all over again, it’s overblown bullshit meant to distract you from actual nazis running for office or in office now, people who aren’t even subtle or ashamed. We’re not in some cloak and dagger thing where they’re sneaking in by pretending to be progressives, it’s media-fueled hysteria.
I’m not entirely sure where you’re going with all of this, but I’m just commenting on his quote and how he did not Answer the question. The fact that you’re getting angry about this curious.
Ahh read between lines and assume what they mean to confirm the negative view you already have. Very healthy and not the standard MO of conspiracy theorists.
It’s fine for you to be concerned that it means what you say, but you are emphatically stating that your assumption is the truth. Even if you’re right, your methodology is flawed.
You sound like a republican or, like a person who wants right wing people to gain power within the United States. Perhaps that has to do with the fact that you are an ML, and your only desire is to see the United States crushed. Maybe that’s why you’re trying to push the idea that recognizing hypocrisy in government officials is “crazy”
Haha, not at all. You can review my comments if you want. I’m a person who is interested in having proof and facts instead of assumptions. I am of course worried about fake progressives and people like Fetterman, but deciding the conclusion and molding to facts to match it is exactly how we get people believing in nonsense.
I listen fairly often to a debunk/analyzing show of Alex Jones called Knowledge Fight. They also sometimes review others. I also listen to Know Rogan, which is a similar show critically analyzing Joe Rogan, as well as several other skeptical podcasts etc. Something they all and I as well agree on is we shouldn’t work off of preconceived notions like the subjects of their shows do, but instead make sure our assertions are backed up with evidence and truth. As I said, you have every right to be worried; that isn’t my criticism.
However, if you just do the same thing the worst right wing influencers do by making a decision and then making any minor difference to how you assume they should respond mean your preconceived notion is correct, how do you convince people that when the ring wing does it, it’s wrong, but when you do it, it’s right?
You sound exactly like an ML trying to crush the United States by dismissing anyone who questions the intention of the politicians that you want elected.
If you actually were worried about fake politicians like Fetterman, you would be taking this guy a little bit more seriously. There are a lot of red flags around him – and while I’m not saying we should write him off entirely… I’m saying his words matter and you are saying his words do not.
You’re also quickly accusing me of conspiracy theory which is a telltale sign of your actual intentions. What a joke.
If you take part of the guys statement and ignore the rest of it, and fixate on him not using the precise words “stand up”, I guess I can understand what you are getting at. But in context, he seems to be expressing the exact opposite of what you are claiming.
If I focus on what he actually said, and not what you want me to think he means… l o l
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I disagree with you but you have beautiful fingers and are under no obligation to doxx yourself for anyone, ever.
It’s amazing how when you come back online I get messages from several different users within a few minutes but then nothing in between
What he actually said:
Yes, I will stand next to you physically if we go knock on doors together. I would be happy to be physically next to you while knocking on doors.*
LOL. You can’t claim to focus on what he actually said when you’re responding to an edited version of his answer designed to confirm your preconceived notions.
You’re grasping at straws now.
Platner, a Marine veteran and oyster farmer who launched his Democratic primary campaign in August in hopes of ultimately challenging Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) for her seat in 2026, answered that he firmly believes “that every single American has the right to live the life they want to live in their own body as they see fit,” and emphasized what he views as his “responsibility” as a straight, white, cisgender male, to defend the rights of LGBTQ+ people.
“I get to put myself out there in ways that other people don’t,” said Platner. “I’m doing this because I know that I can say things, I know that I can have conversations, I know that I can knock on doors in places that a lot of other people can’t have access to, that a lot of other people won’t feel safe in.”
“Yes, I will absolutely stand next to you, and if we ever have to go knock doors together, I’m happy to stand by your side,” he added.
Shit, that’s a breath of fresh air!
and a skull tattoo he got while in the Marines that some said resembled a Nazi symbol
🙄
it was one though, hard to say that someone has grown if they’re feigning ignorance about the entire thing.
He has already addressed this and got the tattoo covered up. Case closed.
If you’ve ever been in or known anyone in the service, you would know that it’s massively overblown and doesn’t “mean” anything. There are thousands of different varieties of skull and crossbone out there, you would have to be really deep in the nazi sauce to use that particular design as a signal.
This is pretty much a “hasan’s dog” thing, it’s being overblown because of the desperate need by media personalities, including youtube streamers, to harvest money from reaction content, driving up everyone’s black-and-white thinking.
We have actual nazis in office and running for office, people who don’t even hide it. We have to stay focused on what the actual dangers are.
Honestly his military service is even more disqualifying as far as I’m concerned, but I guess spending years gunning down brown foreigners appeals to the median democrat.
We have actual nazis in office and running for office, people who don’t even hide it. We have to stay focused on what the actual dangers are.
It’s a year out, if it’s that serious surely someone without all this baggage could run for office.
Being against military service is a far more honest criticism, but also utterly unrealistic. We just don’t live in that world.
Except he didn’t just do military service, he also worked for Blackwater.
sadly we’re in the world where the bipartisan consensus is for endless warmongering and turning a blind eye to nazis
That’s a pretty 1-dimensional perspective. If you understand both the shitty reality we live in AND that nothing is black-and-white, you will be a lot more effective at actually pushing the needle towards progress, like so many actual great activists have done which has gotten us to a world where your chances of being murdered and raped and eaten by bandits has fallen dramatically low.
if it means supporting someone like this guy I’d rather be rotating on a spit tyvm
I understand that 100. People kept quiet about Fetterman and his worrying behavior before he was elected, then after his stroke when it was brought up repeatedly, people kept blaming the stroke.
Yes, people change and maybe Fetterman did and the stroke caused regression; and maybe he didn’t and it didn’t.
if it means supporting someone like this guy I’d rather be rotating on a spit tyvm
That’s just utterly insane hyperbole that most likely has the opposite effect as you might think. I hope you grow more.
Eh, there definitely is a resemblance but the details aren’t quite the same: https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:cexoqsdnukfflq6jhculm23i/bafkreiamqpmivablffphia4osiivjsds6xoscqi4adfdgopyh4dbwm3o5u@jpeg
Details? You’re looking at a different picture than I am.
I just see a black blob.
Also, thanks for posting that. It’s the first time I’ve actually seen a picture of the tattoo and as someone who hasn’t engrossed themselves in white supremacist culture, wouldn’t immediately place that as being a Nazi symbol.
looks the same to me
