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Shot from behind by federal agents, seems the key missing element of that title.
If you treat people as a group, they tend to lock together as a group. The police are already getting pissed off with ICE, in many places. That crack needs to be pryed open. Indifferent, pissed off police/FBI etc is a lot better than them standing in lockstep with ICE.
Jimenez pulled up to three immigration officers, two from Border Patrol and another form ICE and “engaged in a verbal altercation,” it states.
It doesn’t even get any better if you just accept their version of what happened. Six agents vs one guy in a “verbal altercation”, and they think it’s ok to just start blasting?
Why are yall not just shooting ICE down with guns? They are clearly nazi evil??? Go in squads and fire up that biatch FIRE IN ZE HOLE Or form a line at least and lock arms, can be hard to break sometimes, and protect that innocent American from police brutality? Same happened here btw: https://www.reddit.com/r/oregon/comments/1on0dml/portland_oregon_ice_agents_rip_clothes_off_woman/
I dont get it lmao you get arrested without arms anyway so… why you even have guns in america for anyway if not for against nazis?
Public accountability and punishment for the culprit is much more effective than just start shooting them, of course. But for decades, some Americans kept claiming they needed guns to defend themselves against a tyrannical government, they’ve been waving “don’t tread on me” flags, and here’s the government treading on people, and there’s not a peep from the gun lobby.
Most gun owners don’t carry them around 24/7 and probably .0001% of gun owners are actively looking for shoot outs with federal agents at any given time 🤣. They are not arresting gun owners currently do that’s why the lack of resistance id guess.
A cop without a warrant is just an armed trespasser.
Well for one reason they haven’t come to my home yet. They seem to be going after mostly defenseless people with overwhelming force. I’m assuming they’re fucking cowards and they’re not putting themselves in danger intentionally.
I mean I get it and I see your point - if you’re going to get arrested/shot/killed anyways might as well go down guns blazing and hopefully taking a nazi with you.
The reality is americans don’t want to do that. none are actually willing to die for their country.
What a shithole.
Yep. But the people don’t learn. So I don’t give a shit unless there is civil unrest against that government.
That’s what they want. If ICE gets violently repelled in any substantial way tiny d will declare martial law and suspend voting. Otherwise midterms will decimate their control of Congress.
The People are doing an amazing job at resisting in ways that are both highly effective and don’t give him an excuse to tear down the constitution, and they should be supported not condemned given the hand they were dealt.
They’re going to do that anyways…
Weakens his narrative and gives states more of a casus bellum to ignore or even toss out feds should the time come. Woo end of empire politics ain’t it FUN. Why couldn’t we have gone out like the Hittites at least then I could stab strange people coming from the sea.
100%. He’ll just make something up. Already is.
An American trying to explain how to properly dismantle a government. Another great example of “Oh we should play by the rules because then everything is going to be okay”. No. It wont. Get violent or they will kill you, one by one.
A non American bitching that other people aren’t throwing their lives away while you sit behind a keyboard under no danger whatsoever
This is really some russia level shit.
Even in Russia, people are not being shot on the streets: detained, beaten up, etc - yes (I’m not saying this is good of course), but not shot. The US quickly took the lead in some of the dystopian stuff.
russia, putin banned gun ownership, he doesnt want a violent uprising of his own. its only matter of time before trump does it. also most of trumps administration are hiding like rats on military bases.
Most civilized countries ban or severely limit gun ownership.
As does Russia.
The US has always been the outlier in that regard.It’s not Putin who banned something, guns were historically harder to own in Russia, and USSR before.
And gun ownership doesn’t really help in the US right now. People sit with their guns being quiet.
ICE executes a US citizen with a shot in the back of the head in front of children.
Here, I fixed the headline for you.
Per the article:
unnecessarily shot in the back of his right shoulder where a bullet remains lodged
He is still alive
That’s ok then.
ICE attempts to murder a US citizen with a shot in the back of the head in front of children.
Nailed it?
He’s alive
Totally, this headline is not nearly sensationalist and misleading enough for my taste.
I’m going to go back to r/politics if this doesn’t change!
Guess we did not vote hard enough for the Democrats and voters did not vote left enough oh and those Republicans
As the ol’ Democrat motto goes
-We will fix it later because progress not perfection and one step at time
Every day I thank the Voyager dev for user tags…
I’ve had them tagged as “bOTh SiDEs r bAd” for months now, and it has virtually always held true. Nearly every single time I see a post from them, it is some sort of “but but but Democrats caused this. We should be blaming them instead of the people who actually voted for it” type of rhetoric.Holy shit brilliant, thank you
I’ll bet $20 they voted for Jill Stein to “save Gaza.”
😂
Yeah, but you say that like this would still be happening if Trump hadn’t won.
Yeah people like this think a dumpster fire and a forest fire are equally bad.
I’m gonna say it unequivocally…
I’d much rather live under neolibs than Nazis.
Neolibs are the reason we have Nazis running the government though. They’ve help turn this nation into a festering pile of shit to the point that people are turning to a convicted felon and pedophile conman who tells them what they want to hear in order to fix things.
If neolibs had ever actually done anything beneficial, these people wouldn’t be so desperate to believe a shuckster who gives them easy scapegoats to blame all their problems on. These ‘leaders’ don’t give a shit about you or I any more than your standard Republican politician. They have a (D) next to their name because it gives them a better chance at winning elections in certain areas, which gives them money, power, and influence. That’s all that 98% of politicians care about.
If we ever want to get out of this mess, people need to stop clinging to the very same team sport, tribalistic bullshit politics that brought us to this very.
Telling the truth is a dangerous business.
This isn’t a popular truth.
If people are still mentally framing this as a conflict between Democrats and Republicans they’re failing to diagnose the problem.
People weren’t being shot by unaccountable, masked secret police when the neolibs were in charge.
If you want to make the argument that the only thing that could light a fire under people’s butts to change things was allowing this to happen, fine. I disagree, but that’s at least logically consistent.
But neither then nor now have I seen any concerted effort to develop a real alternative.
This is like when the idiot superintendent of my school system kept trying to get people to vote for a levy for a new high school, and the citizens kept telling him “No. The high school we have now is fine.”
So finally the superintendent just had the high school demolished. Now they HAD to pass the levy to get a new high school built, right?
Nope. They still didn’t pass it and now everything is EXTRA fucked.
It’s gonna be a LOT harder to come up with a real alternative to the two party system while we’re under jack-booted one party rule.
And for all their corporate nonsense, the corporate dems at least kept a social safety net functioning so people could have SOME semblance of life, albeit INCREDIBLY insufficient.
Under Trump, good luck.
of course not when democrats are in charge hidden much better because we have to maintain the illusion that we have two choices because some people cannot accept the reality that both sides are not our side
problem with dumpster fires is that left unattended in the hopes that eventually it will put itself out in baby steps will lead to forest fires
Agreed, we should always light the forst directly on fire. That’s exactly the correct way of thinking.
You don’t have only those two choices. Be brave and support non-fire even if a majority isn’t yet. Be part of the solution and don’t believe the lies that better options aren’t real.
Schumer whipped Senate democrats to vote for cloture on the bill that gave ICE this funding because he was afraid of a shutdown months ago. He is still minority leader.
Schumer whipped them for a funding bill, but not the Big bill that increased ICE’s funding by a lot. That one passed with a bare majority and Republican defections. I think it they’d stayed strong them the Republicans might have needed to use their one bare majority bill on that and they could have resisted the later bill.
But he’s just such a colossal failure and should be removed as leader and then from office next year. Democrats in leadership just fail and fail and never get removed.
Look, if you’re scooping turds out of a punch bowl, and the only tool you have is a net that might be made of turds, then you can either keep scooping or you can throw away the whole bowl of punch. You don’t just give up and drink the punch because it’s all the same. One is a turd in the punchbowl. The other is a mechanism for removing the turds, but it’s also probably a turd. Doing something is still doing something, even if the punch is still shit.
you can throw away the whole bowl of punch.
Ok. Let’s do that.
Yeah, sure. Gather the guillotine and meet me in the town square.
You can either hold your nose and eat the turds or agree to permanently become the tail end of a human centipede. You got the centipede because you threw away the turds despite every minority begging you not to. Enjoy the centipede.
Exactly.
“Here. I’m either going to give you this this sandwich, or I can hit you with this bat.”
“Fuck you. I don’t like the sauce on the sandwich. Ouch! Curse this bat that has nothing to do with my decisions!”
The secret sauce on the Democrat sandwich was the blood of Palestinian children being killed by US weapons. Those who still possess a moral compass found the copius amounts of blood difficult to stomach.
Personally I would have preferred ranch or avocado spread, but the DNC and Biden admin looked at the menu and actively chose blood.
This argument will never hold any water whatsoever when the Republican bat contained much more Palestinian blood mixed in with far more blood from immigrants and trans people as well
Good thing Trump ended that conflict then. I’m so glad the Republicans haven’t continued funding Israel’s war on the Palestinian people…
None of you seem capable of taking a step back and realizing that there are more options than being force-fed a turd sandwich or getting hit with a bat. You’ve already lost if you’re willfully limiting yourself to these two options because those will only ever be your options until you decide you’ve had enough of both.
Tell me you know nothing about American politics without telling me you know nothing about American politics
If I walked up to you and told you I was going to hit you in the face or the groin and to pick one, you’d dutifully pick one and tell everyone how smart you were to pick what you did and how no one else is such a pragmatic chooser as you, you supreme master of contrived trolley problems.
I’ll tell you one thing for sure, if anything gets better in the next few years it wont be because of the centrist dems like yourself.
What? In my metaphor, Democrats are the nets made of sometimes poop, and Republicans are the turds. Was that not clear?
