Causing harm to civilians in order to coerce the submission of a government is the very definition of terrorism
Technically it’s worse:
State terrorism is terrorism conducted by a state against its own citizens or another state’s citizens.[1][2][3][4] It contrasts with state-sponsored terrorism, in which a violent non-state actor commits acts of terrorism under the sponsorship of a state.
Governments that are accused of using state terrorism may justify their actions as efforts to combat internal dissent, suppress insurgencies, or maintain national security, often framing their actions within the context of counterterrorism or counterinsurgency.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism
I know people hate being pedantic, but we can’t afford to be lazy. Because that makes it harder to sort thru historical records to see how our ancestors overcame it.
MAGA uses old playbooks so much, we’d be idiots not to treat it like an open book test and see why it failed last time.
If words still had meaning
they do for most, it’s just words from fascists that hold no meaning or value.
Well Minnesota is a donor state in taxes, sounds like Minnesota could you know…not pay federal taxes this year
Fucking MAGA losers are going to murder more Americans. Minnesota is a contributor state and should withhold payment to the federal government. In fact, all the Blue States should do the same.
It’s a great idea, but the problem is people file their federal taxes as individuals and pay the IRS directly, so how are the blue states supposed to withhold the money?
Most people don’t pay their taxes directly; they are withheld from their paycheck by their employer. State and local governments are employers; they withhold taxes from their employees. They can report that they have withheld those taxes from the taxpayers, but transfer those taxes to the state treasury instead of the IRS.
The state could create a jobs placement program that operates like a temp agency. Workers participating in the program are employees of the state, not the business they are contracted to.
See my answer to glitch1985. I meant to put it here but accidentally clicked reply on their post instead.
You’re not quite right, but I’ll reply there instead of here.
Wouldn’t be all of it but the state could instruct any businesses in the state to not submit any federal tax it collects
The federal government will hold the taxpayer responsible for not paying their federal taxes. The employers withholding federal taxes from paychecks and not forwarding that on to the IRS would be committing a federal crime, but the IRS would still demand their tax payment from each taxpayer, just like how it happens if the employer didn’t withhold enough–the taxpayer has to send in a check.
That’s just how the system and law works. Federal law supersedes State law. You pay federal taxes to the federal government under federal tax laws, and the State has no power to say you don’t owe them.
The taxpayer is paying their federal taxes. The money is being withheld on their behalf. They are receiving a W2 stating their earnings and withholding. Their employer is properly filing, but they are not sending the money they claim to owe.
If your employer does all this, the IRS can’t blame you for not paying your taxes. You have proof that you did. The IRS can’t sue all of the company’s employees for the company’s failure to pay. They have to go after the company, not you.
They could even do it legally. If the state won a case saying the federal government illegally withheld Medicaid funds from the state and its citizens, the state could get an order to seize federal assets, including employee withholding from state workers.
Thanks, it’s good to know that it wouldn’t fall on the employee. I looked it up[1] and you’re right – if your employer withheld the money and you can prove it (either via the W2, or by producing your paycheck stubs showing the amounts withheld if there’s no W2), then the Feds will go after the employer, not the employee.
I also learned that if your employer didn’t pay the feds and/or give you or the Feds a W2, then it falls on you to prove they withheld money by showing the IRS your paycheck stubs (or by managing to get that info from the employer), otherwise you will still have to pay the taxes. So the lesson there is to save your paycheck stubs (or electronic copies thereof), especially the last one of the year showing the totals, just in case!
So, back on the topic of States trying to keep that money from going to the Feds, my previous argument would still apply, except that the employers would be held liable by the Feds instead of the individual employees, under current laws (AFAIK!). So if the State passed a law saying the companies have to give that money to them instead of the IRS, the companies would be in a catch-22 situation of Fed law saying Feds get it and State law saying the State gets it. So again, Fed law would supersede the State law and companies would have to give the money to the Feds.
Do you know a way the States could get around that issue? It would be great if they could but I don’t see how.
They can’t get around it for private employers, but state and local governments are employers and perform withholding.
The state could also enact a job placement program, and function as a temp agency: the worker is the employee of the temp agency, not the client company they are contracted to.
Those are good ideas, though the court costs of fighting Fed lawsuits might outweigh the amount garnered. And/or the Feds would retaliate by withholding other fed money owed to the state (like it’s already doing in some cases! Like the medicaid money for Minnesota, etc).
This little tidbit was buried:
“We’re announcing a six-month national moratorium blocking all new enrollments for durable medical equipment– prosthesis, orthotics– supplies across the board,” he said, later adding that the move was “going to be effective, and it’s not going to touch the people who need these services.”
So good luck if Grandma needs oxygen, tell her to breathe deeper.
Also how do they block these services, and then say “it’s not going to touch the people who need these services?” Unless, y’know, they need these services.
Blocking new enrollments.
So if Grandma is already on oxygen, she’s fine. But if Grandma’s doctor decides she needs to START supplemental O2, well, too bad, your grandma is clearly trying to scam the system and will need to wait 6 months (at least).
Some for prosthesis. Terrible time for people to be losing limbs. Clearly there must be a significant black market for prosthetic legs, funded entirely by our tax dollars. (/s in case not obvious).
Like I said, Grandma can just breathe deeper, and I guess we’ll start seeing YouTube videos on “how to carve your very own pirate-style wooden peg leg, using common household items!”
They lost the PR battle on ICE in Minnesota, so this is retaliation
Something non-Minnesotans might have missed: Prosecutors from the Minnesota US attorney’s office have been quitting en masse, thanks to political pressure from Pam Bondi and others
This has certainly hampered fraud investigations, in addition to harming other prosecutorial efforts
In short, the federal government is hampering fraud prosecutions while punishing Minnesotans for the fraud
A couch fucker and some fraudulent shill who was made famous by Oprah. These are the people making this decision which will literally kill people.
I’m sure they think that’s fine. It’s just poor people. They absolutely loathe the poor.
They won’t if you make them pick their own cotton.
A couch fucker and some fraudulent shill who was made famous by a lying talk show host.
The circle of fraud
https://lr.ptr.moe/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/xr5q1d/oprah_is_the_perfect_mentor_for_the_former/
Face it, this is a fascist nation. They’re going to starve us into obedience.
That sounds like taxation without representation to me I guess Minnesota is EXEMPT
They might think this kind of thing makes them look strong. But they are incorrect.
Anyone with more than a couple of braincells in their skull knows this the sign of an administration that got humiliated and is furiously trying to retaliate out of pure spite.
You are vastly overestimating the average braincells-per-capita in the red states.
These people are seriously fucked in the head.
And their feigned concern for “fraud” is so ridiculous. They don’t give a shit about what Pedonald did to make 1.4+ billion, they don’t give a shit about Noem’s bang plane, they do nothing about Patel flying all over the fucking place for his (and his girlfriend’s) personal pleasure.
The only thing any of them consume that’s close to actual journalism and not propaganda is ESPN and the year to year cycles of so many Americans in general are governed by the seasonal ups and downs of the NFL/NBA/MLB/NCAA. Everything is a sport and winning is all that matters because competition is the faux foundational philosophy
May all these monsters in this administration hang from their necks soon.
‘Just, please, someone from the outside come and do it so we don’t lose our jobs’
That’s going way too easy on them, they don’t deserve such a quick painless death.
Very true, it needs to be painful, it’s needs to be embarrassing for them, and it needs to be public.
Give em the old William Wallace
Wallace was taken from the hall to the Tower of London, then stripped naked and dragged through the city at the heels of a horse to the Elms at Smithfield. He was hanged, drawn and quartered—strangled by hanging, but released while he was still alive, emasculated, eviscerated (with his bowels burned before him), beheaded, then cut into four parts. Wallace’s head was dipped in tar and placed on a spike atop London Bridge
Deep fry 'em.
Kind of a shit article. Just parrots the Trump administration’s claims, with no fact-checking or comments from anyone with actual knowledge of the Medicaid system.
The truth is, the courts will obviously reverse this punitive action. The fact they are doing it anyway shows they care more about hurting Americans who resist Trump than focusing on the economy, world relations, housing prices, etc…
Jesus, it’s murder. They’re murdering them.
Thereby guaranteeing that no Republican will hold statewide or federal office in Minnesota for the foreseeable future.
Idk man I honestly doubt that’s true.
These people that support trump and friends are fucking feeble minded idiots.
You will show them graphs and even replay this exact speech straight from Jizz Dicks mouth and they will hear something on Fox news about how a school is letting a furry kid use a litter box for the bathroom and they’re coming for your children next!!
And then they will straight up, 100% vote for this shit again. Seriously. It would be a fascinating case study if I didn’t have to be directly affected by the absurd stupidity of it all day to day.
My apathy and cynicism grows exponentially every single day.
They’ll just blame the protesters/liberals. “Look what you made him do!”
I think they’re planning to cheat or ignore the election. It’s the only way that doing all this abhorrent and wildly unpopular shit could make any political sense.
It’ll be a huge relief if it turns out that they really are this stupid, but it’s impossible not to worry that they aren’t.
They will be deploying multiple strategies, including Pre-election voter roll purges, gerrymandering, new Federal ID laws, closing voting places in Democratic districts, etc.
Then they will deploy strategies on Election Day itself, like posting ICE at polling places for security, and then have them do preliminary ID checks of people in the line,.followed by beatings of anyone who talks back, especially first thing in the morning. Widely broadcast video on Election Day morning of active polling places ICE beatings across the country should sufficiently intimidate people from exercising their right to vote for the rest of the day (although there is a good chance that a LOT of people would react just the opposite, and flood the polling places in defiance).
And they even have a POST-Election Day strategy. The biggest thing that has made MAGAs claim election fraud, are the write in ballots that arrive AFTER election day. They don’t like a MAGA win on election day, only to have that win evaporate as the write-in ballots arrive and get counted. So they want to stop the count on Election Day.
So they’ll take a couple of days for the initial count to settle, and if they spot potential trouble from write-ins, they’ll raid the states election HQ, and confiscate all the ballots, machines, data, etc. then declare the winner themselves.
They have Pre-, During, And Post- Election Day strategies, and probably a lot more than I outlined. You have to watch these scumbag MAGAs, they’ve cheated at everything in their entire lives, that’s where most of their expertise lies.
It would be funny if every registered voter were to open carry at the polls.
Looking forward to my poll beating.
Only way to lose is to be afraid.
If ICE Apes start physically abusing people in line, the rest of the line needs to defend every citizen’s right to vote, and jump on the ICE Apes. I don’t care how many weapons they have, a carful of Apes is going to go down fast against an angry mob of true Patriots.
Don’t forget that Trump wants to claw back mail in ballots. He’s spewing a lot of the same old rhetoric he’s always been.
Not looking forward to having to wait in line with my kids jumping up and down going on and on about how bored they are, then probably running off and getting into trouble and forcing me to leave line and chase after them.
Not to mention the voter intimidation that will absolutely happen.
It’s unlikely they would have the ability to completely cheat the election at the level Putin does. They’ll simply thumb the scale in battleground states
Minnesota will be a fucking landslide. Republicans are going to get slaughtered
I’m more worried about invaliding results or simply ignoring them.
Or a coup by the Republican Congress refusing to cede power.
That is definitely a concern for me too. MAGA Republicans have learned they can just ignore any laws or court orders that are inconvenient for them. I don’t know how effective it will be, but I expect them to try as a last ditch effort
The Republicans lost control of Minnesota back in the 1980s for state wide offices. The Twin Cites metro area holds the majority of votes and therefore most of the power in this state.
Politically, the DFL has long abandoned the outstate.
Until they rig the elections.
