Things in Gaza will be totally worth it when it is razed to the ground and a huge Trump resort is built on top of it. Gazans can work as waiters and masseuses where their houses used to be!
I love how y’all love to blame Gaza as if the lack of voters was only to do with that. I mean there were voters who were pro Gaza and voted for fuckin Trump, so I think the Dems “give you nothing” platform was actually an issue.
Exactly. These people are exhausting. Like, have they not seen the current popularity figures of the Democrats? Their popularity is in the shitter because they STILL have no platform beyond “we’re not Trump.” And yet, this thread is still full of centrist muppets blindly parroting, “well, at least they’re better than Trump.” No shit. And that’s why leftists almost universally did vote for Kamala. But then these smug assholes, equipped with a hose running directly from their anus to their nostrils, have the gall to come in here and parrot the same tired rhetoric that caused Kamala to lose in 2024, Hillary to lose in 2016, and would have caused Biden to lose in 2020 if not for Covid.
Just seriously. These dense motherfuckers. When will they realize that being simply better than the Republican isn’t enough to actually win elections. It’s enough to get the left to reluctantly vote for the candidate, but it won’t actually drive out enough ordinary non-politically obsessed people to win an election. People need something to vote FOR. Not something merely to vote AGAINST.
Frankly, at this point, I assume anyone still bitching about leftists not voting for Harris is just a Republican. Non-affiliated and casual voters cost Kamala the election. The leftists almost universally held their nose and voted for Harris. But these Republicans like to foment division on the left, so they try to continually keep the narrative alive that Democrats just need to be a tiny iota better than Republicans, even though that strategy results in a Republican being elected again and again.
Look to the outcomes to understand motives. If following someone’s message results in Republicans winning again and again, odds are good that they’re simply a Republican.
The Democrats went out of their way to spite to the left at every chance and played to the mythical swing voter. A strategy that has never worked more than a one-off. What do you call somebody that keeps doing the same thing expecting different results? Stupid.
“Surely those people willing to sacrifice another group’s very existence will fight to stand up for MY civil rights!”
This is just the left version of Leopards Eating Faces. No one who supports a genocide will lift a finger to protect your civil rights when they are threatened. The only people they care about are themselves. You are not one of the people that someone like Kamala or Biden consider worthy of respect or even consideration. You are beneath them just like the Gazans. If you support a genocide, you clearly view people as expendable and worthy of giving away at the political bargaining table.
You learned nothing from the “first they came for…” poem.
It’s on you… The tide is turning, and Israel is done, it’s officially a pariah state and while the price we Palestinians paid is way too high, at least most of the world is awake now. You’re still sleeping.
Democrats did nothing to stop Trump for four years when the fascist plan was in the open and he already attempted to overthrow democracy, they weren’t gonna save this empire. Had they won, the genocide in Gaza would have continued just the same, but you’d be patting yourself on the back having voted for the “lesser evil.”
Decent people rejected your nonviable genocidal candidate, and instead of admitting you were wrong, you’re blaming people who opposed genocide on your dime. You deserve Trump, and you’ll deserve him more when you campaign for Newsom in the future rigged election instead of revolting.
Take some responsibility. The “we’re an iota better than Trump” strategy lost miserably in 2016, 2024, and would have lost in 2020 if not for covid. And here you are, still spreading blood libel about leftists. Leftists almost universally held their nose and voted for the shitty lesser evil candidate, just like they do every fucking time. But it didn’t matter at all, because nonaffiliated and more casual voters don’t show up unless they have someone to vote FOR not someone to vote AGAINST. Not enough ordinary people, not the people hanging out on lemmy politics subs, but just normal working people, were convinced that Kamala would make any meaningful improvement in their lives. Meanwhile, Trump was making an immoral, but very clear and direct case of “I will raise your wages and lower housing costs by deporting millions of immigrants.” Trump made a direct case for how he was going to improve the lives of some portion of the population. Kamala didn’t. And that’s why she lost.
And no, screaming about democracy doesn’t work. It’s a piss poor election strategy. The vast majority of the population doesn’t feel that we actually live in an effective democracy anyway. People don’t feel the need to protect a system that isn’t serving their interests.
I’m sorry, I seem to remember Biden endorsing blood libel against the Palestinians on obviously provable false allegations and never correcting himself.
I seem to recall him doing absolutely fucking nothing to slow down the israelis.
Also nothing in response to the Republicans trying to end the Republic in all but name, his reason for fucking being as president.
With your dog shit Democrats we were never going to keep the fascists out of power, this is your fault for parroting The Establishment Democrats’ bullshit. Even now you won’t admit a mistake.
Not nearly enough protest voters to account for the massive losses of supporters Kamala suffered for her pro-war, pro-genocide, neocon friendly campaign. It was easily one of the worst run campaigns in my lifetime, and despite how abhorrent Trump is, you shouldn’t be surprised at this loss. And you should be ashamed for continuing to blame voters, instead of the failures that are DNC leadership. Who else do we know of who routinely blames the powerless victims for their failures, rather than hold themselves accountable? Be better.
All the Dems had to do was hold a primary in good faith to show they gave a damn about democracy. Couldn’t even do that. Losers.
It doesn’t matter. They are a niche voting block too small to have swayed the election. Stop acting like they are politically relevant enough to be worth poking and just let them be. We gain nothing by pointing fingers at each other when the real villains are right there.
Harris was an unpopular sold out corporatist that ran as the status quo and offered zero reform and zero fight against anyone increasingly screwing us, what the fuck did you expect to happen?
You are trying not to address the point. That with the opposition we have what we have now was inevitable. It makes you made a mistake and help get new leadership or enjoy what we have now, and know it is your fault
Obviously not. It’s the fault of Trump voters and those who failed to vote for Harris. Thats it. It was pretty clear how bad Trump would be. So there’s no excuses. If you didn’t vote to stop Trump, you own Trump.
Voters wanted change and the Democrats ran as the status quo for the third presidential election in a row. Each time picking the most unpopular person they possibly could and then blaming voters when they failed.
Those voters did support the Democratic nominee in Biden despite further degeneracy and they did nothing with it. There is not a single chance that the Republicans were not going to get in there and try to put the fix in on elections with these people in charge.
We needed a new deal and we got plutocratic right and a Democratic president further right than George HW Bush.
This pie fed instance will not show me context here. But I presume you are replying to my disparaging the Democrats and blaming them for losing.
The last reform we were offered was in 2008 with healthcare, and that was mostly a failure and the last time they actually fought hard for any sort of Reform that is worth anything. Even then the effort was lacking.
Across the West the left versions of parties have all been seized by conservatives running is the status quo and it is leading to the new right season control and fixing elections.
It would have been easy to stop them, with a real campaign, but not now. I do not see what is so hard to understand, they put some ivy league suits on TV to pass the buck and you guys just buy it don’t you?
I just started here so I do not have a baseline, but I do aggressively pick fights on this issue because I want to see us field a slate of candidates that can take the country back before a permanent fix is into tight. An exercise in futility apparently as influence agents and the dupes of the establishment apparently have convinced people to leave the same Aristocrats in charge of the opposition.
It defies reason, we need a new deal and reform not plutocratic rot led by unpopular sold out candidates hand-picked by donors. The candidates still thinking they are playing good cop to Republican bad cop in 1990 even while the Republicans have openly been playing Hitler.
2020 was a gift, even with Biden being unpopular we could have dismantled the part of the party that tried to overthrow democracy and install an autocracy.
Yet we allowed the president to do nothing, to say nothing, to allow our captured federal agencies to fail in their statutory duties without challenge, including the justice department. To let the courts let it happen without rallying the population to pressure them.
To be at 40% popularity for 3 years and not change anything. Then annoint someone at 30% approval the entire term without challeng. Not a single Challenger for leader, or for house or Senate leadership. The party is broken.
Dude you SOOO! RIGHT, now we can put the damned muzzis into AMERICAN CAMPS. I mean we sure showed those DemoRATS with GEnoCiDE JOE! Now American Muslims can experience genocide as well!
Stop blaming the voters, this is all the Democrats’ fault.
They made it clear they were not going to stop them and all anyone was doing was putting their neck out to be later chopped off.
They already knew being better than the other guy was not enough to win elections yet they kept the same strategy of being more sold out and more worthless every election, offered no reform, offered no fight against anybody screwing us, and ran as the status quo against a Republican party running as reform, knowing full well the voters do not know any better.
And here you are parroting The Establishment Democrats’ bullshit to justify staying in power to fail us again in perhaps our last chance to take the country back in 2028 during the succession fight before elections are fixed completely.
You are passing the buck, not taking responsibility for trusting The Establishment Democrats knew what they were doing, despite them not knowing what they were doing. Doomed to fail strategy and you are blaming the voters for not continually supporting a worthless Democratic party constitutionally opposed to stopping the republicans, even after a direct attempt to kill the Republic in all but name.
No matter how little esteem we afford the American electorate, they always are worse.
The full court press in 2020 led to nothing. It was clear to everybody the Republicans were going to when in 2021. Because of your Democrats you still allowed to run the opposition.
You think you voted against the current administration? Because there was no world where these Democrats were going to stop the fascists for more than 4 years.
First of all it is an ad hominem to assume that I did not vote. Second of all, voting changed nothing, the Democrats refuse to be popular enough to stop the republicans, and refused to enforce the law against the Republicans.
Those who voted for Dems voted against this. Those that protest-non-voted voted for this. Frankly it’s funny watching your mental gymnastics to get away from this.
Those supporting The Establishment Democrats are responsible for all of this. So naturally they accuse everybody else and blame the voters for their own mistakes. They knew running is the status quo with dog shit unpopular candidates was not enough to win and they did it anyway. Forced it on us.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
Read: I didn’t read the article
That’s an odd thing to say.
But don’t you see how great things are in Gaza now? Surely the downfall of democracy was worth it.
Things in Gaza will be totally worth it when it is razed to the ground and a huge Trump resort is built on top of it. Gazans can work as waiters and masseuses where their houses used to be!
At least we stuck it to GeNoCiDe JoE, though
I love how y’all love to blame Gaza as if the lack of voters was only to do with that. I mean there were voters who were pro Gaza and voted for fuckin Trump, so I think the Dems “give you nothing” platform was actually an issue.
Exactly. These people are exhausting. Like, have they not seen the current popularity figures of the Democrats? Their popularity is in the shitter because they STILL have no platform beyond “we’re not Trump.” And yet, this thread is still full of centrist muppets blindly parroting, “well, at least they’re better than Trump.” No shit. And that’s why leftists almost universally did vote for Kamala. But then these smug assholes, equipped with a hose running directly from their anus to their nostrils, have the gall to come in here and parrot the same tired rhetoric that caused Kamala to lose in 2024, Hillary to lose in 2016, and would have caused Biden to lose in 2020 if not for Covid.
Just seriously. These dense motherfuckers. When will they realize that being simply better than the Republican isn’t enough to actually win elections. It’s enough to get the left to reluctantly vote for the candidate, but it won’t actually drive out enough ordinary non-politically obsessed people to win an election. People need something to vote FOR. Not something merely to vote AGAINST.
Frankly, at this point, I assume anyone still bitching about leftists not voting for Harris is just a Republican. Non-affiliated and casual voters cost Kamala the election. The leftists almost universally held their nose and voted for Harris. But these Republicans like to foment division on the left, so they try to continually keep the narrative alive that Democrats just need to be a tiny iota better than Republicans, even though that strategy results in a Republican being elected again and again.
Look to the outcomes to understand motives. If following someone’s message results in Republicans winning again and again, odds are good that they’re simply a Republican.
The Democrats went out of their way to spite to the left at every chance and played to the mythical swing voter. A strategy that has never worked more than a one-off. What do you call somebody that keeps doing the same thing expecting different results? Stupid.
You’re holding up a giant sign that says,
“Surely those people willing to sacrifice another group’s very existence will fight to stand up for MY civil rights!”
This is just the left version of Leopards Eating Faces. No one who supports a genocide will lift a finger to protect your civil rights when they are threatened. The only people they care about are themselves. You are not one of the people that someone like Kamala or Biden consider worthy of respect or even consideration. You are beneath them just like the Gazans. If you support a genocide, you clearly view people as expendable and worthy of giving away at the political bargaining table.
You learned nothing from the “first they came for…” poem.
It’s on you… The tide is turning, and Israel is done, it’s officially a pariah state and while the price we Palestinians paid is way too high, at least most of the world is awake now. You’re still sleeping.
Democrats did nothing to stop Trump for four years when the fascist plan was in the open and he already attempted to overthrow democracy, they weren’t gonna save this empire. Had they won, the genocide in Gaza would have continued just the same, but you’d be patting yourself on the back having voted for the “lesser evil.”
Decent people rejected your nonviable genocidal candidate, and instead of admitting you were wrong, you’re blaming people who opposed genocide on your dime. You deserve Trump, and you’ll deserve him more when you campaign for Newsom in the future rigged election instead of revolting.
Tl;Dr. Palestine won’t exist in 26’ because of protest voters. Just take accountability for your fuck up and b done with it.
They can’t. It does not compute. Refusing to defeat trump was the only logical, well, moral choice you see.
Take some responsibility. The “we’re an iota better than Trump” strategy lost miserably in 2016, 2024, and would have lost in 2020 if not for covid. And here you are, still spreading blood libel about leftists. Leftists almost universally held their nose and voted for the shitty lesser evil candidate, just like they do every fucking time. But it didn’t matter at all, because nonaffiliated and more casual voters don’t show up unless they have someone to vote FOR not someone to vote AGAINST. Not enough ordinary people, not the people hanging out on lemmy politics subs, but just normal working people, were convinced that Kamala would make any meaningful improvement in their lives. Meanwhile, Trump was making an immoral, but very clear and direct case of “I will raise your wages and lower housing costs by deporting millions of immigrants.” Trump made a direct case for how he was going to improve the lives of some portion of the population. Kamala didn’t. And that’s why she lost.
And no, screaming about democracy doesn’t work. It’s a piss poor election strategy. The vast majority of the population doesn’t feel that we actually live in an effective democracy anyway. People don’t feel the need to protect a system that isn’t serving their interests.
OK tankie.
I’m sorry, I seem to remember Biden endorsing blood libel against the Palestinians on obviously provable false allegations and never correcting himself.
I seem to recall him doing absolutely fucking nothing to slow down the israelis.
Also nothing in response to the Republicans trying to end the Republic in all but name, his reason for fucking being as president.
With your dog shit Democrats we were never going to keep the fascists out of power, this is your fault for parroting The Establishment Democrats’ bullshit. Even now you won’t admit a mistake.
We need new leadership,.
OK tankie.
Username checks out.
At least we won’t have survivor’s guilt
Not nearly enough protest voters to account for the massive losses of supporters Kamala suffered for her pro-war, pro-genocide, neocon friendly campaign. It was easily one of the worst run campaigns in my lifetime, and despite how abhorrent Trump is, you shouldn’t be surprised at this loss. And you should be ashamed for continuing to blame voters, instead of the failures that are DNC leadership. Who else do we know of who routinely blames the powerless victims for their failures, rather than hold themselves accountable? Be better.
All the Dems had to do was hold a primary in good faith to show they gave a damn about democracy. Couldn’t even do that. Losers.
Who’s blaming? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
It doesn’t matter. They are a niche voting block too small to have swayed the election. Stop acting like they are politically relevant enough to be worth poking and just let them be. We gain nothing by pointing fingers at each other when the real villains are right there.
Who’s pointing fingers? Again, I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
Found the Republican. Republicans never miss a chance to try and stir up shit among the left.
It’s odd that you think informing protest-non-voters that this is what they voted for is stirring shit up. And lol no not republican.
But Harris had a shrill laugh.
… Psst…
The real reason she lost was that she has a vagina. But they know they can’t say that out loud. So, “shrill laugh” it is
what?
you’re totally ignoring that she’s….
‘checks notes’
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Harris was an unpopular sold out corporatist that ran as the status quo and offered zero reform and zero fight against anyone increasingly screwing us, what the fuck did you expect to happen?
You’re right. What is happening now is much better /s
You are trying not to address the point. That with the opposition we have what we have now was inevitable. It makes you made a mistake and help get new leadership or enjoy what we have now, and know it is your fault
Obviously not. It’s the fault of Trump voters and those who failed to vote for Harris. Thats it. It was pretty clear how bad Trump would be. So there’s no excuses. If you didn’t vote to stop Trump, you own Trump.
Voters wanted change and the Democrats ran as the status quo for the third presidential election in a row. Each time picking the most unpopular person they possibly could and then blaming voters when they failed. Those voters did support the Democratic nominee in Biden despite further degeneracy and they did nothing with it. There is not a single chance that the Republicans were not going to get in there and try to put the fix in on elections with these people in charge.
We needed a new deal and we got plutocratic right and a Democratic president further right than George HW Bush.
People not to vote in Trump.
You have far too high an opinion of humanity.
This pie fed instance will not show me context here. But I presume you are replying to my disparaging the Democrats and blaming them for losing.
The last reform we were offered was in 2008 with healthcare, and that was mostly a failure and the last time they actually fought hard for any sort of Reform that is worth anything. Even then the effort was lacking.
Across the West the left versions of parties have all been seized by conservatives running is the status quo and it is leading to the new right season control and fixing elections.
It would have been easy to stop them, with a real campaign, but not now. I do not see what is so hard to understand, they put some ivy league suits on TV to pass the buck and you guys just buy it don’t you?
I find Lemmy.today is full of trolls for some reason.
Do you notice that?
I just started here so I do not have a baseline, but I do aggressively pick fights on this issue because I want to see us field a slate of candidates that can take the country back before a permanent fix is into tight. An exercise in futility apparently as influence agents and the dupes of the establishment apparently have convinced people to leave the same Aristocrats in charge of the opposition.
It defies reason, we need a new deal and reform not plutocratic rot led by unpopular sold out candidates hand-picked by donors. The candidates still thinking they are playing good cop to Republican bad cop in 1990 even while the Republicans have openly been playing Hitler.
2020 was a gift, even with Biden being unpopular we could have dismantled the part of the party that tried to overthrow democracy and install an autocracy.
Yet we allowed the president to do nothing, to say nothing, to allow our captured federal agencies to fail in their statutory duties without challenge, including the justice department. To let the courts let it happen without rallying the population to pressure them.
To be at 40% popularity for 3 years and not change anything. Then annoint someone at 30% approval the entire term without challeng. Not a single Challenger for leader, or for house or Senate leadership. The party is broken.
I still think not voting Trump in would have been effective.
Then running a campaign that could beat him would have been the smart thing to do wouldn’t it? Address the fucking point.
Bbbb bbbb but Blue Maga!!!
/s
What did i do?
Sorry, wrong number
Guess it was more important to make sure children kept getting massacred than winning the Muslim vote in Michigan.
Dude you SOOO! RIGHT, now we can put the damned muzzis into AMERICAN CAMPS. I mean we sure showed those DemoRATS with GEnoCiDE JOE! Now American Muslims can experience genocide as well!
You did it jonne, we have peace in Gaza!
Stop blaming the voters, this is all the Democrats’ fault.
They made it clear they were not going to stop them and all anyone was doing was putting their neck out to be later chopped off.
They already knew being better than the other guy was not enough to win elections yet they kept the same strategy of being more sold out and more worthless every election, offered no reform, offered no fight against anybody screwing us, and ran as the status quo against a Republican party running as reform, knowing full well the voters do not know any better.
And here you are parroting The Establishment Democrats’ bullshit to justify staying in power to fail us again in perhaps our last chance to take the country back in 2028 during the succession fight before elections are fixed completely.
Who’s blaming? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
No, you’re being a smug asshole. There is a hose running directly from your anus to your nostrils.
Ah personal attacks. Reported and moving on.
You have refused to even read the other poster’s response. And you are wrong. Edit - but it doesn’t matter, Americans are past reason.
This is an unreasonable take and I am going to fight you for it! Source: I am American
Buh? How have I refused?
You are passing the buck, not taking responsibility for trusting The Establishment Democrats knew what they were doing, despite them not knowing what they were doing. Doomed to fail strategy and you are blaming the voters for not continually supporting a worthless Democratic party constitutionally opposed to stopping the republicans, even after a direct attempt to kill the Republic in all but name.
No matter how little esteem we afford the American electorate, they always are worse.
The full court press in 2020 led to nothing. It was clear to everybody the Republicans were going to when in 2021. Because of your Democrats you still allowed to run the opposition.
They’re not blaming them, just outlining that this is, in fact, what they voted for.
You think you voted against the current administration? Because there was no world where these Democrats were going to stop the fascists for more than 4 years.
You’re right, it’s better that fascism happened sooner. Fascist accelerationism was definitely the better option. Enjoy what you voted for.
First of all it is an ad hominem to assume that I did not vote. Second of all, voting changed nothing, the Democrats refuse to be popular enough to stop the republicans, and refused to enforce the law against the Republicans.
Whatever you gotta’ tell yourself, buddy.
Again: who’s blaming? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
You are passing the buck, refusing to take responsibility for believing The Establishment knew what they were doing.
Lmao you just took the word blame out of your last message as if that changes anything. Lol.
If you want: Who’s
blamingpassing the buck? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.Everything republicans do is the progressives’ collective fault, and liberals never do anything wrong ever.
Yes, not voting is a vote for whoever won, it’s the same reason being “apolitical” doesn’t exist.
Nominating a candidate you know can’t win is voting for the opposition candidate.
Nice strawman. Also, I am informing protest non-voters what they voted for.
Okay, so I would be equally justified in saying:
Liberals, this is what you get when you assume people must vote for you.
See? Everyone’s at fault and equally awful.
Who’s assuming? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
And I’m informing liberals that aren’t blameless in this fascist takeover.
See? We’re both terrible people. Like everyone.
Those who voted for Dems voted against this. Those that protest-non-voted voted for this. Frankly it’s funny watching your mental gymnastics to get away from this.
Guy stop entertaining an ignorant self righteous tankie.
Don’t think I was entertaining, I think I shut down his attempt to wiggle out.
Man if only there was some organization that could have convinced them to vote instead of yelling at them.
Who’s yelling*? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
(*You slipped that in with plausible deniability that you were referring to me, but I think it’s clear. More gymnastics.)
No, Liberals aren’t responsible for this, they could have sucked, but in the end you stood by and let the genocidal fascists take over.
You don’t know if I voted or for whom.
And I’m also not the one who decided campaigning with a Cheney was a good idea.
Those supporting The Establishment Democrats are responsible for all of this. So naturally they accuse everybody else and blame the voters for their own mistakes. They knew running is the status quo with dog shit unpopular candidates was not enough to win and they did it anyway. Forced it on us.
There’s way more than enough blame to go around.
No, the blame lies with the aristocrats arrogantly controlling the dem party.
The important part is that we don’t blame the republicans for being complete shits, right?
We knew what the Republicans were. They weren’t hiding it to those in reality. Yet we refused to stop them.
Wait. Are we still talking about protest-non-voters? Trump hand gestures
Got another 3 years and 7 months of informing protest-non-voters what they voted for. Longer if you include time to fix things, which may be never.
You assume that there will be another election, with the current government, this is not a given.