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    Broadly speaking I agree since entitled guys certainly exist but also I’ve heard some women describe condom sex as feeling like getting fucked with a sandwich baggie and not their favorite

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      “feels like I’m being fucked by a rubber duck” are words from my now wife that I won’t ever forget.

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      Neither sex prefers condoms to no condoms. No pair of sexual partners ever utilize them unless they have a good reason to (and even with a good reason, many people don’t, lol).

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        Neither sex prefers condoms to no condoms.

        I can’t speak for everyone in my gender, but I’ve rarely found an issue with them. Desensitizes the man so he lasts longer, comes pre-lubricated so that’s one less thing to worry about, and neatly addresses the post-sex mess. There’s even a little fun foreplay right before the main event, if you’re feeling kinky.

        No pair of sexual partners ever utilize them unless they have a good reason to (and even with a good reason, most people don’t, lol).

        Especially early in a relationship, they were always bog standard for me. Rarely met a partner who didn’t feel the same way. Admittedly, the AIDS epidemic was in my rear view mirror growing up, so maybe I’m just more paranoid about unprotected sex than the Zoomers.

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          I can’t speak for everyone in my gender, but I’ve rarely found an issue with them.

          Not what I said, though. Do you prefer sex with a condom to sex without? If not, you align with what I said.

          Especially early in a relationship, they were always bog standard for me.

          That’s obviously in the “good reason” category. Also agrees with the other part of my sentence, as tons of short-sighted people forgo them altogether, including one-night stands with strangers.

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            Do you prefer sex with a condom to sex without?

            I don’t have a strong opinion either way. I like sex and I like a sense of safety. With new partners, or old partners who fear a risk of pregnancy, condoms guarantee both and that makes me feel good coming and going.

            I don’t prefer unprotected sex when it leaves me paranoid the day after. There’s more to the experience than just degrees of friction.

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              You’re missing my point, which I thought was clear, but add “when the condom is not preventing anything” to the end of the bit you quoted to clarify it.

              My point is that, unless you have a good reason to do it (the source of the “sense of safety” and the prevention of the “paranoia”, described above), you’re obviously not going to do it.

              If your partner is infertile, and you know that both of you have no STIs, neither of you are going to want to use a condom. Condoms are used because they’re needed, not because they’re wanted.

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                but add “when the condom is not preventing anything”

                “Would you wear a seatbelt if you knew you weren’t going to crash?”

                I don’t know that. I don’t know the condom isn’t preventing anything. That’s the whole point. It’s a precautionary measure that let’s me enjoy sex without worrying about the consequences.

                If your partner is infertile, and you know that both of you have no STIs, neither of you are going to want to use a condom.

                Okay but what happens if you’re having sex under the age of 50?

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                  “Would you wear a seatbelt if you knew you weren’t going to crash?”

                  I don’t know that. I don’t know the condom isn’t preventing anything.

                  Dude…It’s a hypothetical…the “whole point” is that people only use condoms (and seat belts) because they do something that the user needs done. That’s why people wear seat belts in their car, but not on their couch at home.

                  No one actually enjoys using condoms, and as soon as their functionality (contraception and/or STI prevention) isn’t needed, they’re ditched immediately. Just like how people don’t put on a seat belt when they’re getting into their car to sit stationary in their driveway and listen to music or something.

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    The amount of guys I’ve met in my whole life who outright refused to wear a condom was… One. Singular.

    Called him an idiot. Then he ended up catching an STD. His dick burned for two weeks and I couldn’t stop smiling.

    Anyway, this seems to be another one of those comics that tries present abnormal behaviour as a common thing.

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      Not only that, but the fact is, the vast majority of the time a Bad Thing (e.g. STI transmission or unwanted pregnancy) happens from unprotected sex, it’s because both partners simply didn’t care enough to use anything. Even taking the idiot in your example, he got laid in the end, that’s how he got what he got.

      Without these idiots of both sexes, unwanted pregnancy would be extremely rare, and almost no STI would survive longer than a generation.

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      Depends on where you live/your cultural context. The number of times I’ve heard from women in recent years that men refuse to wear condoms has been truly surprising.

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        Surprises me cause I bet decent men won’t have problems with a condom while most substandard men would. No one talks about decent men as much as ones that are bad. Also, if you hear many speak about these men, maybe their preference in men is flawed?

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    I prefer to be on the pill, honestly. I get that it isn’t the sane experience fir everyone, but there are multiple other options other than the two mentioned. Even when it comes to pills, there is also the mini pill which has no estrogen and therefore can help with some of the negative symptoms. I started taking that one because I had a few negative reactions to regular birth control pills.

    With the mini pill you have to be pretty precise with the time of day where you take it but once you have that down, it’s just so pleasant. In my case, it entirely stops menstruation and stabilizes me. I get to live a very normal life without all this cycle shit disrupting me.

    I get that not all women feel about their periods like I do, but for me, it has always felt like an assault on my body that I have to be in pain, have crazy mood swings and feeling gross every single month. I don’t have any of it anymore thanks to the mini pill.

    Again, there are many more options to go for when it comes to birth control, other than pills and condoms and in general I don’t want us to demonize it. Especially not in these times where there is a genuine push in American politics to spread anti-birthcontrol propaganda online.

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    Condoms do 100% suck. Especially if they hacked off a piece of your dick that significantly reduces its sensitivity and function when you were a baby.

    I literally do not enjoy condom sex at all. That’s why I got a vasectomy. And also I don’t want kids ever anyway and I wish I had gotten a vasectomy the instant I hit 18, what a waste.

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      Sorry — but if you don’t enjoy condom-sex, I think a fair consequence is that you are excluded from sex.

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        So by that vain, it’s fair to say any woman who can’t take the pill should also be excluded from sex or what ?

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          I’m sure you’re just trying to be insulting… but which of the mental illnesses do you think I’m projecting?

          And thank you for revealing your own intolerance of the mentally ill. Nice.

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            Conservatism. You’ll deny it, but that’s what you have. Sex negativity is fundamentally conservative and authoritarian.

            And thank you for revealing your own intolerance of the mentally ill. Nice.

            My sister has bipolar, is an annoying tankie, and is generally narcissistic and unhinged. I had to live with her for the past few months because she needed a place to stay because she broke up her boyfriend. It was fucking miserable and I kind of think shes a bad person like yourself. But I’d still rather live with her than even momentarily interact in person with someone who thinks people should just be excluded from sex because they can’t enjoy it with condoms. You’re piece of shit, I hope you have not reproduced.

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              You wish you lived my life. I wouldn’t trade with you.

              Also… zero compassion for your sister is really attractive. I’m sure those romantic partners are just lining up.

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                You wish you lived my life. I wouldn’t trade with you.

                No actually I wish I had not been born because I think temporary existence is a curse worse than never having lived. But now that I’m here and mortal I might as well live it up while I can before I have to face the terrifying eternal void that is the grave.

                Kind of weird to bring up how great your life is. I said you were a bad person, not that you were living a bad life. Perhaps you agree that you’re just a bad person? No refutation there? That’s ok TBH I actually don’t even know if I care that much about your individual virtue anyway. I just hate your ideology and felt disgusted that you have it.

                Also… zero compassion for your sister is really attractive.

                I do have compassion for her. I just think shes annoying and a bad person and I’m happy to not live with her anymore.

                I’m sure those romantic partners are just lining up.

                Why does this even concern you? Do you think I act this miserable in person? This is my post Trump re-election misanthrope account. I just vent all my disgust on here.

                Getting pussy and bussy is easy. Getting one with meaningful connection is difficult.

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                  After ICE blinded another protester, I spent this morning researching protective eye gear that’s light weight, effective, and comfortable to wear all day.

                  It sounds now like we have more in common than we don’t. I shouldn’t act like a dick at Lemmy.

                  We are not one another’s enemy. We know who is our enemy. We must not forget this.

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    My gf never allowed the use of them since day one

    Tried them when she had her iud out briefly and she didn’t enjoy whatsoever

    But man bad I guess

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      I mean it’s her choice, which I think is the important part to consider here. Not all birth control medications affect women the same. Some women can be on birth control and the side effects are actually helpful. But a lot of birth control medications really fuck with them, leading to some nasty unintended side effects that seem pretty wild when compared to the only side effect of appropriate condom usage of “doesn’t feel as good.”

      The meme isn’t saying “man bad” it’s saying “side effects of condoms aren’t nearly as bad as fucking with women’s hormones.”

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        Can confirm the women’s hormones part. When my wife was trying a new birth control pill one time, she was extremely paranoid about everything. It took a while to figure out the new pill was the source. She normally has some anxiety, but this was well off the charts. Other pills caused different issues, it was a roller coaster there for a while.

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          yeah I dated a couple women who loved their birth control because their periods were really bad, and the pill removed that from their life almost completely. Then other women who never could find one that worked for them, and so we relied solely on condoms. I loved having sex with all of them, 11/10 would not impregnate again

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        That’s true, but it’s also worth considering that it’s not an either/or option and the use cases vary a bit.

        Both can be used as contraception.

        Birth control doesn’t block disease.

        Women can use birth control to control their own reproductive cycle without (in most cases) needing to coordinate with anyone else except maybe a prescribing physician, and has allowed them to have much more freedom of lifestyle since invented. It reduces the worry that a partner may try to baby-trap them with the “oops condom broke” or pulling an Assange and removing it partway into coitus. The common varieties of latex condom are not an option for everyone due to allergies etc, and sometimes even without the allergies can have other negative physical side effects

        Birth control CAN have negative side effects. It also CAN have positive side effects (some use it for bad acne, or to reduce cramps) due to that same fucking with hormones. I know women who use it for either situation rather than preventing condition

        Birth control (pills) plus condoms are also more effective than just one of the other.

        That said, the final choice of birth control should absolutely be with a women (so long as it’s an honest one) but sometimes in a relationship it’s worth a discussion of the benefits and drawbacks between both parties.

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        Nah this meme is just misandrist rage bait. Male birth control doesn’t exist because we haven’t figured it out yet. I think we are getting close though.

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          male birth control was like, the first birth control we invented? condoms?

          Also vasectomies are stupid easy to perform, and even if you change your mind afterwards, all your baby making stuff is still present. They can completely reverse a vasectomy within 5 -7 years, and after that, IVF. Anyone who reads this meme as misandrist either lacks reading comprehension or is wildly misogynist.

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            I’m talking male birth control pills. Condoms aren’t really effective enough to be birth control on their own

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              I mean, is 98% effective not effective enough?

              I personally wouldn’t want a male birth control pill, because I’d have to remember to take it, and it’d inevitably have unforeseen side effects. Add into that the hassle of getting it paid for through insurance, having to go to a doctor for it, what if that one doesn’t work, gotta try a different one, each time you have to commit to taking that pill for several months to ensure your body adjusts to it before you can rule it out… what a nightmare! Nah, I’ll just wrap my willy until it’s time for a vasectomy.

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      same with my gf. allergic to latex and hates the fact that other options use animal skin. so i have no choice but to go in unprotected. tough world but ill live 😂

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    You don’t want a kid? Man up and get a vasectomy.

    Took ~2 days of discomfort afterward and now I’m shooting vegan cream pies all day long.

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      You don’t want a kid? Man up and get a vasectomy.

      What if you don’t want a kid now, but will want one later?

      Permanent sterilization isn’t always the answer.

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        You can have it reversed within ~6 years and regain a high percentage of fertility. You also have the option of storing semen for later in a sperm bank.

        You have options. Sperm quality also degrades over the lifetime of the man, so saving some from your earlier years may have less chance of genetic defects.

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          You can have it reversed within ~6 years and regain a high percentage of fertility.

          No responsible doctor will recommend you get a vasectomy under the assumption that you’ll be able to reverse it if you change your mind.

          It is not meant to be reversed. You should only do it with the expectation that it’s permanent; it’s supposed to be permanent.

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            I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree here. You obviously have very strong opinions about this.

            Yes, a vasectomy is meant to be permanent, yet you -can- reverse it. I wouldn’t personally consider it a temporary solution, but some people might.

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              You obviously have very strong opinions about this.

              It’s not an opinion, that is the only responsible and ethical way to go about it.

              Medical standards, such as those from the American Urological Association (AUA), explicitly state that a vasectomy should be counseled as a permanent procedure. Using its potential reversibility as an incentive to persuade a hesitant patient is generally considered a breach of the standard of care.

              Also something that’s rarely considered: while vasectomies are often covered by insurance, vasectomy reversal very rarely is, and can cost over $10,000 out of pocket, in the US at least.

              ‘I can always reverse it’ should not ever be a factor in one’s decision to get a vasectomy, nor would any ethical doctor say anything along those lines.

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                I’m not saying anyone should get a vasectomy assuming it will be reversed, nor that doctors should counsel it that way. It should absolutely be approached as permanent.

                My point was narrow in that for people who are done having kids or strongly don’t want them, vasectomy is a responsible alternative to refusing condoms. There are -also- options like sperm banking or sometimes reversal, if you want to take that gamble. Acknowledging those options isn’t the same as recommending reliance on them.

                We agree on the issue though: it shouldn’t be treated casually or as temporary. Beyond that, I don’t think there’s much left to argue.

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    The last two sentences are why, unfortunately, birth control will always be the primary purview of women.

    No matter how good, convenient or easily usable birth control for men becomes, women are the ones who actually have to deal with the consequences of unintended pregnancy, and not using birth control yourself risks you having to deal with it when your partner either lies to you about using it, or simply makes a mistake and forgets to use it.

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      Men have to deal with women lying (edit and honest mistakes with forgetting) about being on birth control as well. Women have the physical consequences, but both parties suffer the lifetime consequences of having to care for a child if either lies.

      Even if we had a reversable birth control for men that was readily available, I’d be shocked if women just blindly trusted the man that they were on it.

      There’s a lot of trust going both ways and I imagine because of that both women and men would want to be on birth control until they trusted their partner sufficiently to make the decision for one or both to stop.

      Edit: like I’ve never had a 1 night stand, and even if STDs didn’t exist, I’d never trust that she’s on birth control if she said she was, I’d still use a condom.

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      No matter how good, convenient or easily usable birth control for men becomes

      This is a strange thing to say, considering that contraception has never been more effective, more convenient, or more easily usable for men, than for women.

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          An object you have to physically carry around with you and have on your person in the moment every single time you have sex, versus things like:

          • a pill that, while needing to take it daily, leaves you protected at all times, you don’t need it on hand at the time of the sexual encounter. And most pills aren’t even that strict about what time you take it each day, as long as it’s around the same time every day
          • a vaginal ring that only needs to be swapped out once a month (and can safely be removed for a few hours during sex itself without losing efficacy, if desired)
          • an injection that lasts 3 months
          • an arm implant that can last 5 years once inserted, depending on type
          • an IUD that can last for over a decade once inserted, depending on type

          Condoms are far less convenient than any of these.

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            yeah but those birth control methods you suggest don’t additionally prevent the transmission of STI’s, which the condom does. so… still a pretty convenient option.

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              yeah but that’s a goalpost move because the topic is contraception, not STIs.

              It’s also not even an argument, because there is no real “option” to compare condoms to re STIs at all, and the fact that they’re good for that takes nothing away from the main thing that makes them inconvenient, being “An object you have to physically carry around with you and have on your person in the moment every single time you have sex”.

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                i listed an additional positive trait of condoms while also being convenient. they’re easy to carry around and your “argument” is entirely subjective. get over it.

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                  they’re easy to carry around

                  It doesn’t matter how easy they are to carry around, having to carry them around is by definition less convenient than not having to carry anything around.

                  your “argument” is entirely subjective.

                  You don’t know what “subjective” means. There’s nothing subjective about ‘having to carry this thing around and have it with you every time you have sex is less convenient than doing something once and being set for months/years’. That’s just a fact.

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        This is referencing ongoing research and efforts into developing male birth control, obviously. That’s why I wuite clearly wrote “becomes” and not “is”. That’s a fufure tense, so the current or past state of affairs isn’t exactly relevant, now is it ?

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    If your oral contraceptives cause you any significant side effects, it makes sense to consult a gynecologist to change the prescription. There are many options out there, and correctly chosen ones should not typically cause them.

    In terms of pregnancies, oral contraceptives can be both more or less efficient that condoms depending on the mode of usage for each (and also discipline, don’t skip either). Besides, for many couples accidental pregnancy is a bit of a change of plans, but not something that will warrant abortion or make children unwanted. Again, case-dependent.

    It’s okay to choose condoms as well, as long as partners are happy about it. If that gives you a peace of mind, you can even combine both measures at the same time! It’s only important to remember that there are two (or more) partners involved, and all being happy about the choices made is crucial for great intimacy. Do not ever force someone to take pills if they don’t want to, and discuss your options if someone has issues with condoms. Maybe the issues are with latex condoms specifically, with polyurethane options providing less allergenicity and better sensitivity. Maybe a diaphragm can be your option. Or maybe something else. You can always discuss, you’re not on a gender war or something, you’re partners.

    Personally, I can’t wait for male contraceptive pills to hit the market. Not only it will provide a solution to this specific problem, shifting responsibility for proper selection of contraception and any issues coming with it onto the people who need it the most, it will also provide men with more agency about their reproduction. Finally, you can combine male and female contraceptives to get unparalleled non-barrier protection with good insurance in case one partner misses the pill. Win all-round.

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      On another personal note, sexual discomfort is obviously an important factor to account for when talking about intimacy and love, so it shouldn’t be seen as stupid and unimportant, as portrayed here.

      That should not overpower any health concerns, not least because they are too sources of discomfort, but it should be taken into account.

      Talk it through with your partner - you’re in it together, and there’s almost certainly an option for both of you. Feel free to explore something other than pills and condoms as well if you need it - the world of contraception methods is huge.

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        I’m so very tired of these pointless gender wars, honestly.

        There are better and more productive ways to voice general concerns - there truly exists a pressure on some women to use hormonal contraception, and this is bad - it’s not okay to pressure your partner in matters of health and intimacy. But what helps is getting to the root of the problem.

        The root is sexual discomfort on one side and anxiety on the other standing in the way of intimacy. So, maybe there are other unexplored options to resolve this conflict in a way that is comfortable to all sides? The world of contraception is very rich, and tries to cater to everyone’s use cases.

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      IUD’s can be great too. My wife has used them for years. Reduced period frequency and severity, higher effective rate of contraception, no need to worry about taking a pill late or missing one. Her gynecologist said it will probably reduce pre-menopausal symptoms too when she gets older. And it’s pretty easily removable.

      There was a couple of weeks when she was sore from the initial placement, and the same whenever it gets changed. They keep on getting approved to last longer and longer- the most recent one was good for 8 years, but there’s a good chance it will get extended before it needs to be replaced as more research is done.

      Not for everyone, but great for a lot of people.

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        I saw one in an efficacy chart for different contraceptives that IUDs were slightly better than tubal ligation (literal sterilization)! Given the side effects etc. of the latter, it seems like ‘getting your tubes tied’ has become completely obsoleted by modern IUDs.

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          To be fair, this is likely about hormonal options, which is the primary reason people might be concerned about oral contraception mentioned in the post.

          Regular copper IUDs have their track record a bit worse, but still going very strong.

          Also, using IUDs ideally requires checking if the device is still set right after each period - not doing so may increase one’s chances of getting pregnant.

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    Guys saying condoms are uncomfortable don’t know how to properly put them on, and/or use the incorrect size for their dick.

    I’ve tried several brands and sizes and the right condom makes a big difference.

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      This was me for a good three years. Standard condoms were always uncomfortable, to the point of pain, but not once did I consider going larger, thanks to my first girlfriend (our breakup was… less than ideal thanks to her cheating, and she then went on to tell me, and most of our friends, that my size was entirely inadequate, borderline micropenis, which I took to heart for quite a while).

      It took the aforementioned three years and quite a few one-night stands telling me I’m big to even start thinking “hey maybe I need larger condoms”.

      Guys, don’t be like me, if it’s uncomfortable, go check out the many brands that do specifically sized nominal widths for condoms. Each will have a guide on successfully measuring yourself, or offer a sample kit which you can try for the right fit. Don’t ruin your sex life with shitty condom choices.

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      It’s not always simple, if Durex XXL and Magnum XL sit tight, check out the Condomeria in Amsterdam, they have a “numbers” line, like 64 for example and they ship worldwide!

      Life saver.

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      False. The US regulations (which only recently were loosened in the last couple of years) made sizing half irrelevant. Even if the main portion was sized correctly, due to the regulatory agency not wanting to buy different sized testing machines/attachments, the ring at the base was the same size for every condom.

      This cuts off circulation to like half of men. Like, to numbing levels.

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        You could try to import condoms from countries with health and safety regulations that make sense then.

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          What makes you think that they’d allow the sale of foreign products that don’t meet the standards that domestic ones have to?

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        That could be the reason why this is a complaint that I read about online but have never heard in real life. Once again: Americans having sub-par products.

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    I had trouble till (hormonal) IUD, would never discount the side effects of most birth control available to women - copper IUD nearly killed me with hemorrhage, and pills raised my blood pressure, anything that went inside me (diaphragm, etc) either gave me yeast infection or bladder infection, so many of the methods seem designed to punish women for wanting sex without pregnancy.

    But I’d think guys would love condoms because it’s the only reversible birth control they can control themselves.

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      Condoms can reduce sensitivity, but I don’t understand the hate. Is sex for some people some kind of race to see who can cum first? Try taking your time and enjoy it.
      If you can’t cum with a condom on, maybe the problem isn’t the condom? Get your blood pressure checked. One of the first things I noticed when I started having issue with high blood pressure, was that the extra BP created a bit of extra “hardness”, but also reduced my sensitivity.

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      But I’d think guys would love condoms because it’s the only reversible birth control they can control themselves.

      Yeah, what’s with that? Why are there dozens of different birth control options for women, and men have exactly condoms, permanent sterilization and nothing else?

      You’d think there would be some kind of decent male birth control by now. It’s been 65 years since the first hormonal birth control for women was released. It’s been more than enough time to get something decent done for men too.

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        Why are there dozens of different birth control options for women, and men have exactly condoms, permanent sterilization and nothing else?

        Because only the female body has a built-in ‘fertility off’ mode (pregnancy) that pharmacopoeia can manipulate. The most effective contraceptive methods we have all depend on tricking the female body into thinking it’s pregnant when it isn’t. The reason women have so many options is simply because there are a lot of different ways to accomplish that ‘trickery’, pharmaceutically. Women also only have one real barrier method, the diaphragm. It’s even shittier than condoms, re efficacy.

        Those are just the biological facts of the matter. It’s not some sinister scheme to pass the buck from men to women. The above is exacerbated by the simple fact that it’s about stopping one egg a month versus stopping millions of constantly-created sperm.

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          There’s been various methods for blocking sperm from travelling down the vas deferens that managed to get through studies and then just got dropped.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vas-occlusive_contraception

          Edit: This is what Wikipedia has to say on that topic:

          Despite this, pharmaceutical companies are reluctant to lose market share of a thriving global market for female contraceptives and condoms which bring billions of dollars of revenue each year. Initially, RISUG attracted some interest from pharmaceutical companies. However, considering that RISUG is an inexpensive, one-time procedure, manufacturers retracted.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_inhibition_of_sperm_under_guidance

          That kind of procedure would wipe out most of the contraceptive industry. And of course that can’t be allowed.

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            It’s one of those things that’s beneficial but not profitable (like the postal service), and therefore a ‘service’ that the government should be providing with tax revenue, imo.

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      so many of the methods seem designed to punish women for wanting sex without pregnancy.

      Yes, that’s right, the people inventing these contraceptives were all huddled in a room twirling their misogyny mustaches, discussing “okay, we’re going to make this thing that prevents pregnancy, but we have to MAKE SURE it has unpleasant side effects, these women must be punished!”

      Please.

      But I’d think guys would love condoms because it’s the only reversible birth control they can control themselves.

      Guys do like that, but not as much as they dislike the fact that it makes sex a lot less pleasurable, which is the primary reason they want to have sex in the first place. That’s why a lot of guys, like me, would rather just not have sex with a woman, if the only ‘safe’ (re both STIs and pregnancy) way to have sex with her, is with a condom on.