I’m pretty sure this is the same guy who was ranting about Godot “being woke” last year lol
The YouTuber noted that his opinion on the initiative has led players to review-bomb the company’s new releases. To avoid further harm to their reputation, he’s terminated the partnership indefinitely. “I am no longer working at Offbrand Games,”
The damage is done now. He isn’t likable, took a big loss on his part, almost took down his collabs with himself.
Let this be a lesson in being humble about your public appearence. He’s essentially being featured in some questionable forums, I believe. This was absolutely not worth it for him.
I don’t understand why he’s getting flamed so hard. I get that it’s an unpopular take, but the reaction is way overboard. Why is the community like this?
Unpopular take is a bit of an understatement. He called the entire movement shit and trashtalked it instead of just disagreeing. He also, after all the responses, doubled down and said he hopes “the movement gets want it wants, but not what it needs.”
It’s also not really a one off situation from PirateSoftware
This just served as a way for others to shed light on how scummy he is as a person in general.
Is there some kind of summary I can read? I don’t follow him and only read a couple articles about the situation and it didn’t seem all that bad. But maybe it was.
The one video I half watched was him defending Godot from people overexaggerating, so I don’t see evidence of him being a scummy person in general.
Clip of his response: https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/AssiduousTiredBoarRitzMitz-j0W1S8wiY9wGCtK7
Video summary (timestamped at where he just trashtalks the movement for a solid minute) https://youtu.be/R-RaQZPzhqU?t=494
I don’t know if there’s any real good TLDR for this situation, here’s the best I could find: https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/streamers/pirate-software-stop-killing-games-controversy-timeline-events
WoW controversy part https://deltiasgaming.com/pirate-software-world-of-warcraft-drama-explained/
There’s a couple of other stuff like abuse allegations against him and other minor controversies like cheating in puzzle games. You can look those up if you want.
Also, for context, I do not condone any of the harm sent his way. I think what he’s done is pretty scummy, but he and his team doesn’t deserve being sent death threats and swatted
For reference, this is the first time I’ve watched anything by PirateSoftware, and I’ve only heard about him in the past week or so. So I’m coming at this from a pretty neutral position and as someone who generally supports SKG (I’m not in Europe so I can’t sign, but I would if I could).
Clip of his response
Looks like he’s responding more to online bullying, not the petition. The only time he mentions Ross at all (and not even by name) is him giving sarcastic support (hope petition gets everything you asked for, but nothing you wanted), which underscores his view that the petition is overly vague.
The video summary is useful, it looks like PirateSoftware completely missed what the petition was for. I’ve read the petition and watched the supporting materials, and it’s clear to me that the focus is to make games (SP or MP) continue to work in some fashion for those that bought it after support ends. But it seems PirateSoftware somehow misinterpreted it as “all games must be playable SP after support ends,” which isn’t the case at all. Using the WoW example, players just want to keep doing raids w/ friends after support ends, and they’re happy to host the server themselves.
here’s the best I could find
I think that’s the one I read. Here’s my takeaway, I obviously haven’t confirmed everything (I’d rather not dig through his videos)
WoW controversy part
Idk, that situation looks dumb. I don’t know who the group leader was, but here’s how it seems to have unfolded:
- someone says run (beginning of the clip), so he runs
- on the way out he exhausts his manna trying to save the group
- someone else says to come back because they’re getting wrecked
- seconds later that same person says “just run”
I don’t think there’s a good outcome there. Either he returns to help the person getting wrecked and likely dies (I’m not familiar w/ WoW, but it seems he’s out of resources), or he runs and doesn’t die, and there are conflicting commands from the group. It was a tense situation and the group was looking for someone to blame. The article mentions the group worked it out.
I think what he’s done is pretty scummy
Here’s how I see it, taking things from PirateSoftware’s perspective:
- misinterprets the petition (honest mistake IMO), probably because Ross Scott isn’t some suave presenter and jumped to conclusions (i.e. this is just some angry gamer who threw something together); that last part is absolutely speculation on my part, drawn from my own initial reaction
- got a ton of unrelated backlash, like people digging through his history to defame him, death threats, etc
- he doesn’t see his error, and instead sees Ross Scott as the unwitting leader of a horde of angry gamers who are going to accidentally destroy a chunk of his industry
What needed to happen is for PirateSoftware and Ross Scott to jump on a call to clarify the petition. It’s absolutely fine if he still thinks it’s a bad petition, but at least ensure you understand what it’s talking about so you can elucidate reasons for opposing it.
I think PirateSoftware is your typical self-centered streamer/YouTuber. He probably didn’t watch Ross Scott’s rebuttal, probably because the community’s reaction left a bad taste in his mouth. On the flipside, one of the streamers I like also initially rejected the petition (not sure if he changed his mind, I don’t watch him all that often), probably because the rational initial reaction to proposed laws is to reject them.
I think it’s an unfortunate situation. I wish Ross Scott was more charismatic. I wish PirateSoftware didn’t misread the petition. I wish they jumped on a call to work through the details, which would be especially valuable to Ross Scott to get the feedback of an industry insider. A lot of unfortunate things happened, but I still don’t think PirateSoftware is a bad person, I think he’s just a typical streamer who tends to jump to conclusions (easy to do when doing things live) and is a bit self-centered (which you need to be as a streamer IMO).
Anyway, that’s my take given the limited amount of time I’ve spent on this.
Honestly, very smart and humble move, he certainly got hit with a ton of bad press for his opposition to the petition and that would have impacted the game studio’s sales.
So I’m confused what exactly did he dislike about the movement? Seems like a solid one to me.
its difficult to know why he did what he did because he apparently misinterpreted what the point of the petition is and then spiraled right down a toilet from there
Basically he is not happy with the wording of the initiative. He had a 10 minute follow up video after he had a knee jerk reaction and went to into personal attacks against the guy that thought of the movement.
I’m going to get to roasted for this but watching his video I see what he’s worried about. I agree that this industry has scummy practices but this bill is going to be a monkeys paw scenario.
I would love for this bill to go through in a perfect world but as of now companies are doing layoffs and closing and adding in more red tap and financial burden will mean more projects will be cancelled or won’t be released in certain areas because it’s not going to be financially viable.
I’m open to have my mind changed as I don’t have any insight on what happens behind the scenes in these operations but I think people looked at a PowerPoint that said “gamers are getting fucked over” (which is true when live service games close) and signed something that COULD make studios rally around their legal team and financial departments to make things worse.
Pirate also didn’t do himself favors by being not media trained and careful with his words but now he’s dealing with SWATing, death threats, harassment, and losing his job over an opinion that’s honestly from a perspective of someone that has worked in that industry for a long while vs a community know for being miserable and ready with pitchforks over stupid shit.
Please stop felatioing the game companies. The issue everyone had on his hot take is that by the very same logic no regulation on any company is warranted, and that is insane. Its just more of a bad industry wanting to have their cake and eat it as well.
This is why I hate this community right here. I answered the person’s question and gave him what pirates view point was while calling out these gaming corporations and explained what they will probably do if a bill like this passes and your take away is I am “felationing” (not a word) game companies.
Just droves of window lickers like you infest this space and any nuanced conversations get lost.
“I see what he’s worried about” they mumble around a mouthful of profit oriented testicles.
Also without stating any actual concerns while fighting their gag reflexes.
Edit: Also the children yearn for the mines, they say while telling people not to be concerned about non corporate interests. After all the companies interests are basicly our own…
These are kinda wild takes. The gaming industry for indie companies is wild and expansive in a way I dont remember 20 years ago. Was I just naive? Am I naive now, and the guy who made a game on his own and uploaded it to steam was really just part of a large shell company?
I mean you’re comparing these to the multinational coorporations that are ruining our environment, and healthcare (in the US). I dont feel like they’re the same?
Maybe there needs to be tweaks so that the extra burdens don’t inhibit small companies, but do the big ones. Maybe thats already in it, but its hard for me to take it seriously when you’re comparing customer’s desire for a good product with a child working in a mine.
Oh no, not putting this into a conspiracy. Not at all saying Thor is part of a large shell company.
The issue I am pointing to is how people (Thor included) defend and fight for those same multinational corporations. Hell even you by belittling one aspect of enshitification as lesser and not worth any attention is not doing any good.
Remember that we can do more then one thing at a time.
Just a heads up, your two clips are linking to the same vid
Oh thanks, the second clip is actually here. I’ll fix it in parent in a minute.
I don’t like pirate software like any other guy, but I want to put credit where credit is due.
He wasn’t ranting about Godot being woke last year. He was actually actively defending it from all the bigots. One of the very few YouTubers or streamers, I saw.
You have probably mistaken him with Asmongold. He has long hair too, and he is right wing nutjob pos.
Oh shoot, wasn’t Asmongold censored out of the new bbno$ music video? There was some text at the start that said “I’m sorry, I didn’t know about redacted’s shitty views” and one of the people has a raptor image digitally inserted over his face for the whole video.
Wait, did PirateSoftware rant about wokeness, or are you confusing him with fellow failed game dev Grummz?
Godot being woke? Wtf?
OP is mistaken. PirateSoftware defended Godot official and pointed out the actual perpetrator of hate was a mod of an unofficial fan discord. Someone else posted a clip of it in this thread.
That actually happened, but not from this PirateSoftware guy. The anti-woke godoters made their own fork, Redot, which, as you might have expected, doesn’t do jack shit other than offering cosmetic changes
I guess they woke up and made a good open source game engine?
So… I actually tinker around in Godot.
Whilst looking around to see if anyone had, or was developing an extension I would find useful…
I discovered ‘Redot’.
Basically, there is a small but very vocal group of people who are very, very angry that a Godot community manager made some pro LGBT, inclusive twitter posts, turned that into a culture war flare up on twitter…
And then forked Godot.
To make the anti-woke version of Godot.
Their youtube channel has, as best I can tell, absolutely no descriptions of any substantial differences from… you know, an actual game engine feature set perspective.
Beyond of course being behind Godot now, lol.
What they do have is a bunch of rants about politics and edrama for their ‘non-political’ game engine.
Also… they pronounce Redot as Re-Dot, hard t.
Godot is Godot as in Waiting for Godot.
Go - Dough. God - Oh.
The t is silent.
… of course these idiots are literally uncultured and have never read the screenplay or seen the stage play, so they have no idea how to pronounce the word.
Could have gone with Re - Do, or Re - Dough, those would have been closer, the first at least an obvious allusion to them being a Godot fork.
But no. Re Dot.
smdh
Perhaps Thor is Pozzo.
Okay, as much as I approve of mocking bigots, I didn’t pronounce “Godot” properly for a few years because I had never heard the name spoken before. I’d only ever read it.
Usually, if a word is used properly, but pronounced wrong, it’s an indicator that the word was learned from reading, not from hearing. Typically, people receptive to learning will try to correct themselves when it’s pointed out. I’m very self conscious of this because I’m awful at pronouncing words.
But for folks like this, yeah, mock the hell out of them.
Also, “dot” with a hard T is like super common in programming naming. It’s a pretty reasonable mistake to make.
And the mascot is a robot, it makes sense to assume it rhymes.
Usually, if a word is used properly, but pronounced wrong, it’s an indicator that the word was learned from reading, not from hearing
I love when I hear folks do this. It always gives me a little wholesome bump that it’s from reading.
Lol grew up reading a lot of books and such, so very similar and I am usually bad at assumed pronunciation, such as godot which I just learned thanks to this thread.
What you’re saying is true, that not knowing how to pronounce aloud a word you’ve only ever read is not some kind of 100% surefire sign you’re a bigot or anything like that.
It just means, as you say, that you’ve never heard it said aloud.
But… that also means you never bothered to look up how it is pronounced (its on wikipedia, the actual Godot devs have videos of them saying it, etc)… and it does also mean you presumably are also unfamiliar with Waiting for Godot.
So I would say you are also ‘uncultured’ in that way, but of course, simply being uncultured doesn’t make one a bigot.
You could just not have the time, money, etc, to have seen the play before.
That by no means say anything else really concrete about you, or any other person, if that’s like… the only single datapoint you know about them.
In all seriousness, I do strongly recommend seeing the actual play, probably you could find a dramatic reading / radio drama version of it somewhere on the net, or even a full video captured performance of it on a forgotten youtube channel or the Internet Archive.
I… don’t know that its ever been adapted as a proper movie, perhaps a film snob can appear and call me uncultured, haja!
I would strongly disagree with not looking up the specific pronunciation of a word being an indicator of being less cultured, as this does paint those who are not able to hear it (or have learning disabilities) as inherently less cultured.
I never looked up the specific pronunciation because I was not aware the name was not pronounced the way it was spelt until my mother told me. Being a high functioning autistic individual, I am generally afraid of using words I don’t already say a lot because I am never sure of the proper pronunciation (which is also subject to variation due to accents and regional dialects).
Personally, I subscribe to the idea of sharing new things with people and teaching if they’re receptive to it, because that’s a lot more constructive in my opinion.
You said the play was worth watching, yes? Is there a particular recording you would recommend recommend?
Well, you’ve got a point with those that are hearing impaired or have a speech impediment, no argument there.
…
But uh, I am also a high functioning autistic… and, maybe I’ve just been around the block a bit more, crafted and worn more masks, maybe I am just older… the way I see it is ‘cultured’ is another malleable, non specific adjective or group description, where… everyone who uses such a term actually has their own specific definition of what it means, but acts like everyone actually has the same definition.
I guess my use of the term is also coming across as… meaning that anyone it applies to is some kind of innately, fundamentally inferior, and I don’t mean it in that way.
There are plenty of exceptional people who have no familiarity with … some subset of all possible media or traditions or cuisine or concievably literally anything that anyone could consider to be a marker of ‘cultured’.
And on its own… there’s no shame in that at all… this seems so obvious to me that I am kind of baffled I’d need to explicitly say it.
If you don’t know how to say a word, there’s no real, serious reason to be embarassed: you never learned, you never had the experiences that could lead to that.
Someone can just say, oh, its actually said this way, (in this case this is rather clear and objective as the people who named it have an official, correct, ‘canon’ way to say it), and then you go ‘oh, ok, thanks!’
…
Anyway:
Im not trying to say that not looking up how to pronounce a word means you are uncultured… that would just mean you never looked up how to pronounce it.
I am trying to say that many people who are familiar with and have read/seen/experienced Beckett… are more likely to get the reference immediately, similar to how an inside joke works.
So if you haven’t seen Waiting for Godot… thats a part of culture you haven’t experienced.
Thats what I mean by uncultured.
…
Ok, as for actual recommendations:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=izX5dIzI2RE
Turns out there is at least this rather low visual quality, but entire Waiting for Godot movie just on a tiny youtube channel…
And it also appears that I am so uncultured to have not realize there have in fact been several cinematic versions of the play!
This one appears to be from 2001, directed by Michael Lindsay-Hogg, produced in Ireland… not sure if it got a showing in theatres, or was made for public TV broadcast.
Seems right to me to go to an Irish production, with Irish cast, for a seminal Irish screenplay… at least as an introduction.
There are evidently at least 8 or 9 film/tv versions of Waiting for Godot, including one directed by Beckett himself, I had no idea haha!
www.imdb.com/find/?=waiting for godot
EDIT: bad url, bad! uh yeah, i guess just copy and paste it manually?
derp, looks like i fucked up the last url and made lemmy throw a fit… spaces in urls are problematic
not reading / watching a play by Beckett means you’re uncultured
Is there a community for Shit Lemmy Says?
Not that I’m aware of, but if you wanna start one, it might be a good idea to not fill it with fabricated quotes that remove all the surrounding context.
Maybe you could go back to reddit, make a subreddit entirely devoted to shit stirring and drama there?
Seems like a better fit to me.
Is bigot pronounced “bih-got” or “bih-go?” 🤔
LevioSAH
Go - Dough. God - Oh.
Or even “g’dough”, either way the T is always silent.
Most of the folks I’ve heard making tutorials about it pronounce it “guhDOUGH.” To get that FOSS cred the name has to be a dumpster fire.
Ubuntu.
Oo boon too?
Oo bun too?
Pretty sure the correct pronunciation is the first, but a lot of people say it as the second.
… lets just name the next big FOSS thing ‘Uranus’ and watch everyone disagree about how to pronounce that, very loudly.
I use openSUSE, and they made a music video and everything to teach people to pronounce it yet people still get it wrong. Such is life I guess.
There’s an Arduino-based CNC controller firmware called GRBL. Gurble? Gerbil? Garble? GeeArrBeeElle? GuhRuhBuhLuh?
Hah! I’m gonna go with the last one, hahaha!
No, YOUR anus!
I most often hear it pronounced you-bun-too.
But it is oo-boon-too.
Dang, I can’t say I’ve ever heard You Bun Too… thats new to me!
I’ll say it that way sometimes, haha!
I also have a tendency to shorten ‘good night’ and ‘good morning’ and even ‘good to see you!’ into just basically g’ with a glottal stop, haha.
g’
Redot still exists? I expected it to die off after a month max
They got 6, count them SIX, negative reviews in one day. Such review bombing, indeed.
Let’s brigade people more for speaking and thinking differently. There should only be one correct opinion and anyone who disagrees should be shunned.
You mean “lets have people say whatever they want without any consequences or repercussions, no matter how wrong or hurtful they are”?
Honestly I think Pirate Software was 90 percent in the wrong. He misunderstood the thrust of the Stop Killing Games movement and took his discourse too far. I think it’s a little gross how much we’ve chosen to pile on as a community.
In the real world we have in front of us some of the ideas put forth by Stop Killing Games will actually be hard for companies to implement. I don’t feel bad for them nor do I support the murder of games. It’s just not a simple prospect.I think it’s a little gross how much we’ve chosen to pile on as a community.
The man is still advocating (to this very day) against Stop Killing Games, why does he get a pass? Why should I give a flying fuck about companies that have been bleeding a hobby I enjoy for years. Why are people so FUCKING WILLING TO STAND UP IN DEFENCE OF THE INDEFENSIBLE!
Sorry that last one is not the games industry only. But really why do people think its gross to call someone on their bullshit, but not gross to play defence for a multinational company?
your takeaway from individual people being unhappy after everything that has come to light about an individual popular person is missing the actual situation/thing that is happening right in front of you? quite a bit more went on than “differing opinion” and even then people are luckily allowed to be upset and it is even easy to understand when it is an influential person, welcome to the internet.
My take way is a subset of people are (justifiably) unhappy with Pirate Software. He acted like a dick and someone in his position should have better articulated his arguments and been more open to dialogue.
It’s also a little gross how many people are trying to pay their bills by stoking rage about this rather than moving the issue forward. And yes, I do understand that the rage is probably why this movement got past the goal posts.
I still think we need to self reflect as a community.
PS was gross, but we should be better.welcome to the internet
Yeah, this is the sucky part about the modern internet. It used to be that the internet was a place for discussion and we’ve twisted it to a place to enforce conformity.
I don’t know anything about this guy, so maybe there’s a more established pattern here, but ideally we don’t jump down someone’s throat when they do one or two unpopular things, but instead wait for a pattern to emerge before getting out the pitchforks. But everyone needs to be first, because the first one gets the eyeballs and there’s not much downside to ruining someone’s reputation unnecessarily.
It’s stupid and I hate it.
I think I’m just tired of being handed a pitchfork whenever I browse YouTube or read about Stop Killing Games.
Yeah, that’s why I generally avoid the more popular channels. I just don’t care about internet drama and just want to watch some decent content.
The review bombing is another fabrication:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2217000/Rivals_of_Aether_II/?curator_clanid=45028385
It seems like a minor influx of recent negative reviews. Most likely they didn’t want his current status in the public perception to work against the marketing push they wanted from him.
Because let’s be real, “director of strategy” doesn’t seem accurate for someone who is obviously just an influencer marketing your game to his large audience.
Reviews since July first look at least 50% negative which was not seen before so there could be an argument it is happening.
(the link is for the past week, so will be less and less accurate to the july first start date as the days pass by)
The only two reviews related to the drama are specifically in reaction to the alleged review bombing. The other negative reviews don’t mention anything related to the drama at all, and so the increase is probably just due to the streisand effect.
I’ll list the two drama-related reviews here trimmed down to the drama-relevant parts only (not the full reviews):
“Drumming up fake drama about a review bombing that never happened to artificially inflate your positive review count through fan counteraction is gross.” — Full Review
“Wasn’t gonna leave a review but Ludwig and Pirate Software cried review bombing so I’m leaving an honest review to combat the non-existent bombing.” — Full Review
As you can see by these excerpts, both of them were made AFTER the allegations of review bombing. They’re not part of the review bombing itself that was being talked about.
Edit: fixed inaccurate -> accurate
More than 0 reviews related to the drama = review bombing
He worked at blizzard for 7 years guys.
You do understand that on Steam if you have 50% or more negative reviews, it is a “Mostly Negative” and puts people off even trying. Bad reviews can have a serious effect on sales. 10 negative reviews in millions is nothing, 10 negative reviews alongside 10 positive is detrimental. It’s all about the percentage and indie games work at a different scale.
I’m unsure what the point about working for Blizzard means. You’ll have to elaborate.
On Steam you can report review bombing events to have the reviews struck from the list so…
And the working at blizzard line is mocking Thor for literally never shutting the fuck up about his nepobaby job.
Had a look at Offbrand Games’ games and none of them have recent review bombs. I really have no clue what PirateSoftware is talking about.
I’m not surprised he was pushed out for fear of such review bombs, but I’m not seeing any evidence of them actually existing as he alleges.
He’s making shit up, as always.
Pretty weird guy, honestly. Seems competent, but spends too much time complaining about other people instead of working on his own stuff.
Exactly, seems competent. But only seems, he’s a narcissistic nepobaby who just can’t admit he’s in the wrong be it in video games or real life.
I just can’t understand why anyone would follow a piece of shit like him
Are his parents rich?
You might be right, but I don’t believe you have any frame of reference to determine that he’s not competent. How much of his actual work have you reviewed?
Woah, how can you say that? Don’t you know he worked for blizzard!
Blizzard’s last good release was Overwatch (2016), which they have subsequently completely ruined (in my opinion) so I wouldn’t be proud of having worked there unless it was a long time ago 😅
He did? Weird, never mentioned it.
I don’t like him. Never have, never will.
no idea who he is, should I care?
No.
yeah, same!
