• Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip
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    And Mel Gibson is not on the list. That fact alone shows that this list has nothing to do with antisemitism.

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    And by “antisemitic”, they are still going by the hilariously outdated notion that maybe last held sway in the 90s, and that means “not sufficiently subservient to just whatever the fuck Israel wants to do”?

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      Israel has set back the push against actual bigotry and antisemitism by a century by literally leaning into every right-wing conspiracist talking point and wild notion about jewish conspiracies.

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        They’ve squandered any good will a sane person could have for Israel.

        The monstrous acts against Palestine haven’t changed the way I view Jewish people as a whole, because I can separate religious beliefs from the actions of a nation state, but so,so many fucking idiots won’t.

        Israel can go fuck itself, but I really feel for all the sane Jewish people outside (and inside, though I don’t think they’re super numerous) Israel that are going to be targeted by actual fucking antisemitism by nut jobs.

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    It is morally correct to pirate Paramount content then complain about how shit it is anyway.

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    It’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility, since Hollywood loves to blacklist folks in general for opinions outside work. But to outright claim X, Y or Z won’t be working at Paramount seems a bit of a stretch.

    There’s a lot of wiggle room in that article. It’s reporting on ‘sources told Variety’ that Paramount is making a list, but that they’re not sure who’s on it. But that they assume these people would be.

    It’s all silly anyway. Even folks like Kevin Spacey eventually get back to working in Hollywood. Hollywood principles only go so far once the media attention dies down.

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    Furthermore, Variety claims that Ellison’s goal is to turn Paramount into a MAGA-friendly environment, with content in the TV and movie divisions expected to be more “America-centric” and geared toward “the middle of the country.”

    RIP any future Star Trek property.

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      RIP any future Star Trek property.

      I’m sure they will find new ways to try to reboot it, completely stripped of any social commentary or social thought experiments, devoid of all optimism and inspiration for what our species can become. Probably like, another retelling of a plucky crew getting into space battles with generic, non-stereotyped-but-kinda alien terrorists who don’t have relatable reasons for being bad guys.

      It won’t have heady concepts and wild ideas about how civilizations can develop and what humans can become, but that’s okay because it will have a roguish captain who likes to break the rules and a strict, by-the-book 1st officer that he has sexual tension with.

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        I remember having multiple discussions with a guy I knew who was adamant about various works of fiction, including the original Star Trek TV series, and how, in his view, if they have any kind of subtext to them, that it was not intentional and it’s entirely in the eye of the beholder, meaning, that people just make it up as they go.

        These included, but were not limited to: OG Star Trek, Dune (book), LoTR (books), and even the NARNIA series. I mean, Narnia. I think I first read them around the age of 10 or 11, and the Christian parallels practically hit you between the eyes it is so obvious. Even to a kid…I mean, I’m pretty sure Lewis has gone on record with the clear intent on proselytizing his faith via that series.

        I wish I was joking, and this guy read most everything when it came to old sci-fi stuff. If that is his take on reading all those classic sci-fi stuff, I was just gobsmacked as to what he was getting out of it.

        I have the feeling that there might be more people like him, but I just don’t get it. Even things like WWE have the basic outline of the hero’s journey to them, FFS.

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          He’s not wrong that the reader/viewer can take what they will from a work and translate it through their own lens… but come on, that is some neutron-star density if you can’t read the deliberate social commentary in Star Trek. Roddenberry himself has spoken about it.

          It makes me pretty convinced that person, and those who share his views, are people who feel called-out or attacked on some level by whatever social issues are being highlighted, or feel insecure that they don’t “get it.”

          There is a really wild segment of the human population who seem totally incapable of working out abstract ideas like ethics and values on their own and rely on systems like government or religion or unfortunately, content creators to guide them. This is a bigger problem than we realize and we take for granted that just because we all grew up watching the Ninja Turtles beat Shredder that we can all discern that “good is better than bad.” Not everyone gets that, and this is everyone’s problem.

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          Narnia and Dune are so up-front about their messages that after a couple books it stops being subtext and just becomes text, so they’re technically correct there.

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        So hilarious and so apt… I will absolutely laugh at the idea of, well what’s effectively been a socialist utopia for the vast majority of contexts in it, and the show that broke the interracial kiss barrier. (on top of inter species/galaxy ones… but obviously far more shocking at the time that a white guy kissed a black woman, than a white guy sleeping with a bunch of green aliens.

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          About the only time they notice “activism”, too.

          They can have activism like Project 2025 or the decades-long effort to overturn Roe, and none of that counts as “activism”.

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      America-centric?

      Mother fucker it’s already America-centric, just look at the space Christian angels episodes of discovery to see how American it is.

      Oh well, more Americans shooting themselves in the foot for foreign media to step in and replace them. Guess this is the century of China if America is giving up.

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      Good luck with South Park and painting Matt Stone as Anti-Semitic. Fucking pieces of shit.

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      I reckon we could get 4 seasons into a Terran Empire based series before the MAGAs figure out they’re being made fun of.

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        You could get away with a Starship Troopers Star Trek Terran Empire series literally forever, The Colbert Report ran 11 seasons and people still think it existed to balance out the liberal bias of The Daily Show.

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    Seeing that list of stars, I didn’t even need to open the article to see if Paramount was just conflating anti-genocide with anti-semitic.

    They are, in case it wasn’t immediately clear.

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      They are, in case it wasn’t immediately clear.

      Basically, my eyeballs just slide off the word “antisemitism” like it’s fucking mental Teflon at this point.

      Good fucking job Israel, we spent nearly a century committing our entire civilization to stamping out ideas like antisemitism and bigotry against ethnic groups, and you just dragged us back to the start.

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        Yup. You’d think that a people for whom the words “never again” carry special significance would understand the irony of carrying out genocide.

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        In my parallel timeline, David Ellison doesn’t run Paramount. Harlan Ellison does.

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          Star Trek would have been very different under Harlan Ellison.

          So we went to the commissary and shoved in around the Writers’ Table.

          What I did not know was that the Writers’ Table was right behind the Producers’ Banquette. That was my first big mistake. As it turned out, it was also my last big mistake.

          Oh, what fun, sitting there with intellectual companions, cutting up touches and laughing at the drolleries! Born again: the Algonquin round table. Wit beyond compare. And, naturally, as the youngest member of the group, striving to make my mark as worthy of their camaraderie, their respect, I suggested a droll, witty lunchtime conceit . . .

          Two things you must know. First, I do a terrific Mickey Mouse imitation. Absolutely phonographically perfect. If the publishers of this book had the money, they ought to bind in a record, one of those little plastic jobbies, so you could hear my spectacular Mickey imitation. When I tell this anecdote in person, it really enhances a lot. But just pretend you can hear it, okay?

          The second thing you need to know is that the Producers’ Banquette had filled up with Roy Disney and the other heads of the studio, behind me; a fact of which I was unaware; a fact no one bothered to impart.

          At the top of my voice I suggested, “Hey, listen, what a kick! Why don’t we do a porn Disney flick?”

          Everyone smiled. “It’ll be terrific,” I said. Loudly. “I mean, everyone knows, for instance, that Tinker Bell does it . . . what they don’t know is how she Does It.” They all looked at me expectantly. “She flies up the head of the penis and flaps her wings like crazy,” I said, proud as hell of myself at this bit of fantasy. Everyone chuckled.

          I went on, oblivious to the sudden hush all around me in the commissary. “I’ll be Mickey, and I’ll be the director; John, you do a good Donald, so you can be the male porn lead, sort of a duck-style Harry Reems; Mary, you can be Minnie, the female lead; and Albert, you can be Goofy . . . and Goofy, of course, is the producer.”

          Their smiles were frozen; the way the smiles of bit players get frozen when they see the monster creeping up behind the hero in a horror flick.

          “Hey, gang!” I squeaked in my terrifically accurate Mickey voice. “Everybody ready to shoot the ultimate Disney flick? The film that rips the lid off the goody two-shoes hypocrisy that lies sweltering beneath the surface of G-rated true-life adventures? Okay, you guys, let’s get that hand-held Arriflex right down there between Minnie’s legs! I wanna see closeups of quivering labia!”

          A silence as deep as that at the bottom of the Cayman Trench.

          I went on, oblivious, carried along by my enthusiasm. In Donald’s quack I said, “Goddam sonofabitch! Pluto, get outta there, you’re steaming up the lens!”

          As Goofy, in the dumbest voice possible, I said, “Yuck, yuck, yuck . . . hey, fellahs, I’m a highly-paid, extremely-inept producer person . . . c’n I play, too?”

          As Mickey: “Fuck off, Goofy, fuck off! Get those Seven Dwarfs in here . . . I don’t care ff they don’t wanna gang-bang a mouse, tell 'em they’re under contract . . . and fer chrissakes, Minnie, will you take off those damned shoes?!”

          The meal came. Everyone addressed their plates like inmates of the Gulag Archipelago. When lunch was over, everyone vanished very quickly. I was confused, but felt good. What a nice little shtick I’d invented. Wished they’d joined in. Oh well.

          Went back to my office. Noticed first that my name had been whited-out in the parking slot. Upstairs, the secretary and her paperback were gone. On my desk: twelve sharpened #2 Dixon Ticonderoga pencils and a pink slip.

          I had been fired after working for the Disney empire for a total of four hours, including lunch.

          The lessons here cannot be avoided.

          Big business is humorless.

          And . . .

          At Disney, nobody fucks with The Mouse.

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          Harlan also wanted the episode “City on the Edge of Forever” to be WAY darker but that was not the kind of universe Gene was making. Harlan was a difficult guy to work with.

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    This past September, the company became the first major Hollywood studio to publicly reject a high-profile letter — signed by stars including Stone and Bardem — that urged a cultural boycott of Israeli film institutions accused of engaging in “genocide and apartheid” against Palestinians. Warner Bros. later took the same position.

    Ah, so not antisemitic, but “antisemitic”. Imagine blacklisting Jewish signers as “antisemitic”. Seems the Paramount execs are the actual antisemites.