• Plum@lemmy.world
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    6 hours ago

    This. He said the good thing… I don’t like the click bait.

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          27 minutes ago

          He is former service. Can you expand on this? It seems relevant, particularly since the commenter who started this thread is very fixated on the specific words he used.

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        5 hours ago

        He said “yes” to a yes or no question, then expanded on the answer. Not sure why you’d think that.

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          They think that because people are still performatively, emotionally convinced that the guy is a nazi because their favorite reactive streamer said so, and will use any normal political situations or conversations as validation of this emotional defensiveness.

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            56 minutes ago

            No they rightfully see Nazi symbology and go “Nazi?”.

            You’re the performative outrage section it seems.

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              52 minutes ago

              Sorry, I didn’t hear you over the sound of actual nazis wearing unambiguous symbology they’re proud of who are now running the country. Next time I will learn to be more performatively hateful to someone who is acknowledging and fixing problems and still working for a better outcome.

              Because what really matters here is that we all preserve the purity club and never, ever practice what we preach by giving people empathy and good-faith.

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          “Yes, I will absolutely stand next to you, and if we ever have to go knock doors together, I’m happy to stand by your side,” he added.

          When it comes to politics, if they do not say exactly the words, they mean something entirely different.

          What he actually said:

          Yes, I will stand next to you physically if we go knock on doors together. I would be happy to be physically next to you while knocking on doors.

          Why are we knocking on doors? That is never specified. For animal rights? Has he ever knocked on a door in favor of trans rights? Does his (elected) job include knocking on doors for trans rights?

          He did not say, “I will stand up for,” or “I would vote in favor of,” Trans rights.

          I know this guy is campaigning that he’s not a politician… Just a regular guy… But every regular guy who has ever gone into politics does the same stuff.

          Also, he has a Nazi tattoo on his chest… And sure let’s give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t know it was a Nazi tattoo when he got it, but that raises some flags as to his commitment to trans rights when he gives an answer that is dancing around.

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                2 hours ago

                Then switch to decaf and talk to some people who are in the service or have served and prepare to get laughed at for suggesting it.

                This is a “hasan’s dog” thing all over again, it’s overblown bullshit meant to distract you from actual nazis running for office or in office now, people who aren’t even subtle or ashamed. We’re not in some cloak and dagger thing where they’re sneaking in by pretending to be progressives, it’s media-fueled hysteria.

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                  2 hours ago

                  I’m not entirely sure where you’re going with all of this, but I’m just commenting on his quote and how he did not Answer the question. The fact that you’re getting angry about this curious.

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            Ahh read between lines and assume what they mean to confirm the negative view you already have. Very healthy and not the standard MO of conspiracy theorists.

            It’s fine for you to be concerned that it means what you say, but you are emphatically stating that your assumption is the truth. Even if you’re right, your methodology is flawed.

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              You sound like a republican or, like a person who wants right wing people to gain power within the United States. Perhaps that has to do with the fact that you are an ML, and your only desire is to see the United States crushed. Maybe that’s why you’re trying to push the idea that recognizing hypocrisy in government officials is “crazy”

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                Haha, not at all. You can review my comments if you want. I’m a person who is interested in having proof and facts instead of assumptions. I am of course worried about fake progressives and people like Fetterman, but deciding the conclusion and molding to facts to match it is exactly how we get people believing in nonsense.

                I listen fairly often to a debunk/analyzing show of Alex Jones called Knowledge Fight. They also sometimes review others. I also listen to Know Rogan, which is a similar show critically analyzing Joe Rogan, as well as several other skeptical podcasts etc. Something they all and I as well agree on is we shouldn’t work off of preconceived notions like the subjects of their shows do, but instead make sure our assertions are backed up with evidence and truth. As I said, you have every right to be worried; that isn’t my criticism.

                However, if you just do the same thing the worst right wing influencers do by making a decision and then making any minor difference to how you assume they should respond mean your preconceived notion is correct, how do you convince people that when the ring wing does it, it’s wrong, but when you do it, it’s right?

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                  You sound exactly like an ML trying to crush the United States by dismissing anyone who questions the intention of the politicians that you want elected.

                  If you actually were worried about fake politicians like Fetterman, you would be taking this guy a little bit more seriously. There are a lot of red flags around him – and while I’m not saying we should write him off entirely… I’m saying his words matter and you are saying his words do not.

                  You’re also quickly accusing me of conspiracy theory which is a telltale sign of your actual intentions. What a joke.

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            If you take part of the guys statement and ignore the rest of it, and fixate on him not using the precise words “stand up”, I guess I can understand what you are getting at. But in context, he seems to be expressing the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

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              4 hours ago

              If I focus on what he actually said, and not what you want me to think he means… l o l

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    Platner, a Marine veteran and oyster farmer who launched his Democratic primary campaign in August in hopes of ultimately challenging Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) for her seat in 2026, answered that he firmly believes “that every single American has the right to live the life they want to live in their own body as they see fit,” and emphasized what he views as his “responsibility” as a straight, white, cisgender male, to defend the rights of LGBTQ+ people.

    “I get to put myself out there in ways that other people don’t,” said Platner. “I’m doing this because I know that I can say things, I know that I can have conversations, I know that I can knock on doors in places that a lot of other people can’t have access to, that a lot of other people won’t feel safe in.”

    “Yes, I will absolutely stand next to you, and if we ever have to go knock doors together, I’m happy to stand by your side,” he added.

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    4 hours ago

    and a skull tattoo he got while in the Marines that some said resembled a Nazi symbol

    🙄

    it was one though, hard to say that someone has grown if they’re feigning ignorance about the entire thing.

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      If you’ve ever been in or known anyone in the service, you would know that it’s massively overblown and doesn’t “mean” anything. There are thousands of different varieties of skull and crossbone out there, you would have to be really deep in the nazi sauce to use that particular design as a signal.

      This is pretty much a “hasan’s dog” thing, it’s being overblown because of the desperate need by media personalities, including youtube streamers, to harvest money from reaction content, driving up everyone’s black-and-white thinking.

      We have actual nazis in office and running for office, people who don’t even hide it. We have to stay focused on what the actual dangers are.

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        Honestly his military service is even more disqualifying as far as I’m concerned, but I guess spending years gunning down brown foreigners appeals to the median democrat.

        We have actual nazis in office and running for office, people who don’t even hide it. We have to stay focused on what the actual dangers are.

        It’s a year out, if it’s that serious surely someone without all this baggage could run for office.

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          Being against military service is a far more honest criticism, but also utterly unrealistic. We just don’t live in that world.

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            sadly we’re in the world where the bipartisan consensus is for endless warmongering and turning a blind eye to nazis

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              That’s a pretty 1-dimensional perspective. If you understand both the shitty reality we live in AND that nothing is black-and-white, you will be a lot more effective at actually pushing the needle towards progress, like so many actual great activists have done which has gotten us to a world where your chances of being murdered and raped and eaten by bandits has fallen dramatically low.